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  • #21
    The horse is 3, not 13. At this point, he probably is still trying to figure out how to balance himself with a human on board...trying to throw a million things at a horse this age is only going to lead to trouble, and possibly ending with someone getting hurt.

    For what its worth, my then 3yo knew her voice commands, which helped A LOT when it came time to ride. Gradually, I introduced LIGHT leg pressure and still asking with voice commands...eventually she put 2 and 2 together. Even so, this si not something that they just "know". Same thing with rein pressure. She HATED her mouth touched at first, she didnt have any clue what it was or how to respond, so, she responded by sticking her nose up in the air.
    As for neck reining, she was so wiggly that I cant even imagine trying to guide with anything but an open rein. Talk about mixed signals!

    Asking for too much all at once on a young horse is a good way to ruin a good horse and fry their brain.

    Hes 3, let him figure it out.
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    • #22
      What I was planning to do with my 3 yr old, before I got pregnant, was work with a trainer once a week and then take what I'd learned home and work on it through out the week. That way I knew I would always have someone to correct anything I was doing wrong.

      This might be something for you to consider. I thought it would be a wonderful opportunity for me! What better time to go back and fine tune your own skills than when you're helping your youngster learn. I never had a better excuse to spend money on myself.

      Remember that you don't need to go to a really expensive trainer. There are plenty of trainers out there that don't charge an arm and a leg. Just because they charge a lot doesn't make them a good trainer. The good trainers keep their prices reasonable. I was only planning to pay $20/per ride.

      I only hope when I go to work with my youngster after the baby is born that she doesn't turn into a bucking bronco!! JK!!
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      No one is good enough to save himself; no one is so bad that God cannot save him.

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      • #23
        posters who are answering

        Hey guys, it might be best to read all of the kid's other threads before answering.
        I feel that giving support for a 13 year old, untrained girl trying to train 2 horses is putting her in harms way.

        some quotes ....

        Sitting her trot is the only time I have to hold on to the saddle!
        ..
        I have lessons every week, but I have only been taking them for a month

        about the mare: SHE needs a crop when I start jumping to help her get over thte jump! SHE needs a crop to get her into a canter. SHE needs a crop to get her to pay attention!

        ...I have tried using my legs to get her to canter, it's not somthing she enjoys, she needs me to tell her to do it, and I need to use a crop to enforce!

        if you grab her face and roll your spurs she won't get a great head set, but if you lossen the reins and roll the sprus she will. Is it considered collected ...

        there are more of the same.
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        Any animal must be trained to respond to any type of cue - words, leash, reins, weight, legs. This kid tried to use leg cues - hopefully learned in the 4 lessons she had had, with no idea that someone spent a ton of time teaching that response to the lesson horse.
        I am sure she is a great, horse loving kid. I get the feeling she is bound and determined to do what she wants and does not want to hear that what she does causes damage - shades of some other threads here.
        I feel anyone supporting her in this adventure is being unfair to her and to the two horses.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by BarbaraJ11
          I feel that giving support for a 13 year old, untrained girl trying to train 2 horses is putting her in harms way....
          I am sure she is a great, horse loving kid. I get the feeling she is bound and determined to do what she wants and does not want to hear that what she does causes damage - shades of some other threads here.
          I feel anyone supporting her in this adventure is being unfair to her and to the two horses.
          I agree with you, Barbara. I started to type out some things to do on the ground, but I stopped. She's going to do what she wants. So I left it at stay safe and be kind to your horse. (Not bad advice for anyone, no?)

          But those who did give her specific advice on this thread aren't responsible for putting her in harm's way -- she's already there. I just wonder if her parents know what she's doing and if they do, why they're not more involved.
          Last edited by mp; Apr. 6, 2006, 02:48 PM.
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          • #25
            I will repeat some things here I said on your other thread.

            Your description of what you are doing with your horses is below basic horsemanship skill level. I am sure you enjoy your attention here, but you have little support for what you are doing.

            Get some humility, and, get a trainer, or don't expect encouragement or empathy from me.

            Your manner is egotistical, and the way you are riding is a stupid thing to subject your horses to, at your level.

            Your foolishness is unimpressive.
            Airborne? Oh. Yes, he can take a joke. Once. After that, the joke's on you.

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            • #26
              If I were you I would not do it alone, but do it with someone who has experience doing this, especially if you have never done this sort of thing before. Be safe always!

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              • #27
                Originally posted by AnotherRound
                I will repeat some things here I said on your other thread.

                Your description of what you are doing with your horses is below basic horsemanship skill level. I am sure you enjoy your attention here, but you have little support for what you are doing.

                Get some humility, and, get a trainer, or don't expect encouragement or empathy from me.

                Your manner is egotistical, and the way you are riding is a stupid thing to subject your horses to, at your level.

                Your foolishness is unimpressive.
                You left out your personal vow to use spurs only under the tuteledge [sic] of a trusted trainer. That was the part I liked the best.
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                • #28
                  I'm not going to add my opinion, since I believe that I would just be repeating what many have posted.

                  However, I have one piece of advice: when you ask people for advice, don't preface your request with a statement that you will only hear what you want to hear. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of asking for advice?
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                  • #29
                    touche Caroline!

                    I have been a lurker (sp?) on several of DJ's threads. I am not going to add fuel to the fire though. I think there has been plenty of great advice given by some great horse people. I know when I was 13, I was not competent to train a 3 yo green broke horse...and at that point I had been taking weekly riding lessons for almost 6 years!

                    If you, DJ, decide not to take any of this great advice, I hope your parents have great health insurance!
                    Last edited by SteeleRdr; Apr. 6, 2006, 03:41 PM.

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                    • #30
                      Wow - it must be "that" time off the month for a lot of posters on this BB...although in my limited time on here I have found that people requesting help often seem to get beaten down more than given useful advice, not sure why that is. We're all joined by our love for horses (i hope) and while some of us may be more experienced and some newer, it really should be a more positive learning environment with less presumptions.
                      To the OP - there are lots of great training books out there - study them all, anything you can get your hands on. Start slow and keep it simple, break everything down in to a-b-c steps, do not go to d until a-b-c are satisfactory...several times. If you start having a problem, go back a step (or two) immediately! seek help if you do not understand what the problem is. Have fun. Think a lot. Plan your training. Write it all down. Understand your horse. You should not die or need life insurance; if things are going that badly for you, then yes, you probably do need outside help. Don't be afraid to try things. Repition (sp?) is key. Do not repeat yourself Don't let your horse become bored. Keep an open mind. Good luck - enjoy it! I think it's the most rewarding experience of my life

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by 2GreatMares
                        Wow - it must be "that" time off the month for a lot of posters on this BB...although in my limited time on here I have found that people requesting help often seem to get beaten down more than given useful advice, not sure why that is.
                        No, it's not that time of the month. Many of us have just read the OP's other threads.
                        "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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                        • #32
                          You can't train a 3 year old from scratch from a book.

                          Actually I'm the school of "No book learning whatsoever". As in, take a tip or two from books, but do not train from books. I've been riding coming up on 12 years this summer, and quite frankly I do not plan on breaking my now-2y/o next year by myself. I would be honored to be the first person on his back. But my trainer will be with me every step of the way and will definitely be fully supervising. And I may not be the first person on him, either. But the point is; I will have guidance and supervision from someone far more experienced than me at this.

                          I would suggest you do the same, DressageJunkie. I doubt you will, however, judging from the OP.

                          I don't think anyone here is being snarky to be mean to make the OP feel bad. But a lot of us, correct me if I'm wrong, have read her other threads and are rather, disturbed to say the least about this person's practices.

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                          • #33
                            Speaking for those who have been members for a few years, let me say this. We've held out our hands to help people in the past and have been BADLY bitten. So if people are a little "snarky" as you say, there is good reason.

                            I will probably give someone more chances than is prudent because, well, maybe I'm stupid or something. But that obnoxious "I'm going to do it no matter what you tell me" statement in post #1 on this thread has made me very, very wary of this particular poster.

                            Let's just hope the next topic she starts isn't "How can you train a horse with a crop, spurs, and a broken arm?"
                            "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                            • #34
                              yeah, what dazednconfused said...

                              Originally posted by Dazednconfused
                              You can't train a 3 year old from scratch from a book.
                              This is exactly what I was going to write.
                              ~Living the life I imagined~

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                              • #35
                                and might I add...

                                Nor can you train a 3yr old from on-line advice, no matter how well-written or well-intended. You need an experienced person with you on a given day, or working with you consistently over time, to help you with the 3yr old baby you have at that moment. There's a reason there's a saying "green horses and green riders don't mix".
                                ~Living the life I imagined~

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                                • #36
                                  One more thing about us being "snarky": If "Dressage Junkie" posted this on the DRESSAGE board (we can infer an interest in dressage from her user name), she would get ripped 28 ways to Sunday. They would eat her alive. I am not kidding. They scare me.
                                  "My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." ~ Jack Layton

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                                  • #37
                                    Color coordinated...

                                    Green horses plus green riders equals green-stick fractures (of the arms, legs, ankles, or many things...).

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                                    • #38
                                      Well, I'll be going against the current here, but que sera. If you have your mind set on making a simple riding horse out of your guy, you might just be able to do it. I got my first pony at 5, and moved onto other horses as I grew. I started my first colt (a 2 year old - sue me) at age 12. WITHOUT parental supervision or trainers. I got my information from books (and this was 34 years ago, not many to choose from). I didn't wear a helmet and half the time I was riding, I didn't even wear shoes (still have all my toes). Did I do everything right? HECK NO!! That horse didn't know a leg cue from a half halt. Could I ride that horse bareback down the the sidewalk of Main Street and tie him up to the bike rack on the last day of school. Yep.

                                      So, if you have the will, there's always a way.
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                                      • #39
                                        Well, the OP hasn't come back, yet.

                                        I'm just hoping that she isn't hurt.

                                        If anyone knows who she is, it would be the best idea to tell her parents what is going on.

                                        I started my 3 year old at 25, after riding consistently for over 15 years....and I still needed help and made mistakes that a pro had to fix.

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                                          #40
                                          Where to start...?

                                          The reason I had that statement was because of all the other threads. I am going to start this horse, I will get help, but I will start him myself.

                                          I don't know if you read the OP but I said this horse has been broke. He walk, trots, canter, has had saddles on his back, bridles, lounges, knows leg pressure, neck reins, can use his hind quarters, and is a cery very laid back horse! I haven't really ridden him since last year, I have been busy, thats why I just want to refresh him.

                                          Barbara, all those statments when left out in the cold sound bad. If you read the whole post you see the meaning.

                                          "Sitting her trot is the only time I have to hold on to the saddle!"

                                          - She has the roughest trot ever! I can sit my other horse's trot fine.

                                          "I have lessons every week, but I have only been taking them for a month"

                                          I took lessons for a year when I was 6, then started back up again just a month ago. So what if I haven't taken alot of lessons, I read horse books like crazy to get the information!

                                          "about the mare: SHE needs a crop when I start jumping to help her get over thte jump! SHE needs a crop to get her into a canter. SHE needs a crop to get her to pay attention!"-

                                          That is more of an exaggeration now. If you could come watch me ride (or if I had a video camera) you would see her walk, trot, canter, jump with out a crop.

                                          "you grab her face and roll your spurs she won't get a great head set, but if you lossen the reins and roll the sprus she will. Is it considered collected ..."

                                          "Grab" it a term... and nothing wrong with rolling the spurs!

                                          ...............

                                          I have used advice from here, it has helped and I am still using advice from here. I don't like posting on this board often because of the results I get.

                                          I am not cruel to my animals in any way!

                                          I am not looking for encouragement or sympothy, just tips on training my 3yo.

                                          There are some people on this board who need to chill...
                                          -Lindsey

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