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  • #61
    One day as I negotiated a course, he looked up and shouted, "outside rein, Aunt Charlotte!"

    the scary part is, he was right

    Can we say future Maclay winner and trainer?
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    She may not have changed the stars from their courses, but she loved a good man, and she rode good horses….author unknown

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    • #62
      Ghazzu, that's priceless!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by ESG
        Problem is, the sort that are left unattended, you probably couldn't GIVE away.
        Ransom of Red Chief, anyone?
        Delicious strawberry flavored death!

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        • #64
          I would have to say that it all depends on the maturity level of the individual child...personally, I started riding when I was six. I had an older sister who rode, so I knew not to run, yell, go in stalls, play with the horsies, et cetera.

          I started eventing at BN when I was 7. At 8 or 9, I was riding at Lendon Grey's Youth Dressage Festival. *Edited to say...I did not ride expensive ponies: the first one was saintly, the second one was a bit more of a challenge...but I would call her a demi-saint.*

          Basically the deal was...if I acted inappropriately, I didn't get to ride. For someone who LOVED to ride, that was a very strong motivator, although I didn't really need motivation to act appropriately...I've discovered that if you act appropriately and ride well, people let you do more...I guess that's why I'm a working student now.
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          • #65
            What is really scary are the no-horse-knowledge parents that turn their kids loose in a barn. Why would they think 1000lb animals with teeth and big, hard, heavy feet are safe to leave unsupervised children around? Or that owners of said animals are responsible for their kids?
            I remember an 8yo that walked UNDER a horse I was grooming - TG he was a saint. She had been left at the barn with her 10yo sister who rode. Parents had left the premises - what a deal: riding lesson AND babysitter all for one price...
            *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
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            • #66


              Today I may have broken my toe because of loose children at the barn. A mother holding an infant with 4 (yes, FOUR) children under the age of five was walking up the aisle. I decided it wasn't even worth the risk of walking past them to get to a wash stall, so I turned the horse around. While I am turning, one toddler runs underneath my horse who (god love him) steps to the side to avoid said toddler, stepping on my foot in the process. The mother, by this time, had WALKED UP WITH THE BABY AND OTHER CHILDREN AND STOPPED DIRECTLY BEHIND MY HORSE'S REAR END. So I cannot push the horse to the side or back him up. Instead I stand for about a minute while she collects the kids and goes around before I can get him off my foot. I was LIVIND. LIVID (and not just because the toe hurt). The mom had NO CLUE what danger her child was in and had NO IDEA how rude she had been. Later I saw the mother holding the baby in one hand, the lead rope in the other, while the oldest kid tacked up. The other two kids were standing between mother and the horse, under the lead rope. IDIOTIC! Why?!? I wouldn't bring 4 dogs to the barn and expect I could keep an eye on them/hold them while also tacking up. Why would an ADULT take a risk like that with her CHILDREN? Okay, rant over. I gotta' ice my toe
              ~Veronica
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              • #67
                Originally posted by Gnalli
                One day as I negotiated a course, he looked up and shouted, "outside rein, Aunt Charlotte!"

                the scary part is, he was right

                Can we say future Maclay winner and trainer?
                'Fraid not. He, like so many offspring of horsefolk, has little interest in horses. He rode for awhile, but grew out of it, sadly. Far more interested in what he'll be driving once he gets his license shortly.
                (Ack, I feel old).

                Though I do have a priceless photo of him on my old Arab hunter with me about to take him in a leadline class.
                "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Appassionato
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                  Originally Posted by SweetLatte
                  I almost wonder if having both kids and parents signing a contract stating all of the rules of the barn that you want children to adhere to that warns them if they don't follow all those rules, they will not be allowed back at the barn without parental supervision would do anything?


                  I've been told various things about minors signing anything, maybe it is state by state?
                  I would doubt that the minor signing a contract would hold up in court in any state. I think more of the point of having the minor sign the contract is more to show them that the rules of the barn are very serious and there will be consequences. They can certainly put their little Jill Hancock at the bottom of a page to show that the rules have been read/ explained. In the eyes of the law, the parents/ guardians will be the ones responsible for their minors' actions should it come to that point.
                  Last edited by TBsRgr8; Mar. 19, 2006, 01:04 AM.
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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by TBsRgr8
                    I would doubt that the minor signing a contract would hold up in court in any state. I think more of the point of having the minor sign the contract is more to show them that the rules of the barn are very serious and there will be consequences. They can certainly put their little Jill Hancock at the bottom of a page to show that the rules have been read/ explained. In the eyes of the law, the parents/ guardians will be the ones responsible for their minors' actions should it come to that point.
                    That's exactly what I was thinking. I know quite a few elementary school and junior high teachers who have their kids and parents sign a list of classroom rules with a list of consequences attatched. That way, everyone, including the kids know what's expected. Of course, if you have an exceptionally problematic parent or child, thisprobably won't work, but with the ones that just don't know their boundaries yet, it puts them in their place.
                    "...through his mane and tail the high wind sings,
                    Fanning the hairs, who wave like feathered wings." William Shakespeare

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                    • #70
                      I have been bringing my daughter with me on and off since I started boarding my horses off our property when she was 3.

                      The BM was great; had my blessing to explain the barn rules to my mature(IMO) daughter; running in the aisles=spanking by Scary Shannon(BM) and NEVER did Michayla dare run in the barn aisle OR walk directly under a horses top door; she always walked down the center of the barn aisle as there is stalls on both sides which consisted of babies; greenies; stallion etc...and our 2; one was her older mare that I moved there when our prop flooded; the other was my arab in training. 99% of the time; good as gold; had a tv/vcr setup in my car for her; toys in the car that STAYED there(mare got ill and required 2x day doctoring which I didn't expect a then 4yo to behave 100% for so I hooke dher up with entertainment in my car) which I had parked not 5ft from where I had my mare in the washrack. I could see her at all times.

                      During my lessons on my baby; Michayla stayed home. I felt it unfair to BOTH my green horse and the trainer to have her with me; wanted 100% of my attention on them; not my kid.

                      At this barn; there was a shavings pile; made for kids to play in; as one of the parteners at the time had a daughter with Autism; her two and my kid played like saints and had their riding leadline times which they LOVED so; never any issue with them.They knew that if they were bad; Scary Shannon would spank em.

                      My kid got blamed at this snotty barn for taking off all the ties on unused lockers and hiding them; when in reality it was a high-paying boarder who let her satan spawn boys run amok; I caught them in the feed; throwing crap; just awful boys. The night in question; my daughter was not even with me. I left. I found my self telling these monsters to stop while mumsy rode on her pony in the ring; oblivious.

                      My daughter LOVES to sit in the alcove(covered pation) alonside the arena and "coach" me; much like the little boy mentioned earlier; shes amazingly dead-on with her teaching efforts; goe sto show the lessons I had she did watch; she listened.

                      Our tiny chihuahua stays in the car or at home.

                      I am a strong beliver in NEVER running in a barn; kid or adult(unless you are chasing your loose pony and no-one else is there)

                      As for age; I was 10 when I would bike alone to my barn and be there most of the day in the summer; riding etc. I am a very quiet person and this was a small barn; paddocks with shelters mostly with an outdoor arena. Some days while my saint of a pony would lay and snooze in the sun; I would snuggle up with her and read or do homework. Lost her after 20 yrs of being a part of my life at 39 last yr.With my hoverig personality; I highy doubt my 8yo rider will be let at the barn w/o me but my friend and trainer boots me outta the arena during Mich's lessons as I turn ash-while with fear she says; I take that time to groom my horse.

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                      • #71
                        I certainly spent my childhood hanging around in the barn. My parents were non-horse people, so they never were there. It was also during a time whent here were no trainers, or at least the word "horse trainer" meant you were at the track. Somehow, we managed not to kill ourselves or our horses.

                        I don't take kid boarders at my barn right now. I don't live on the property although I have a horse experienced tenant there 24/7. I simply don't want to liability of a kid being un or undersupervised. Besides all the parents who have ever contacted me want the kid to work as a barn slave to reduce board. I don't do that. One of my boarders has 3 little girls. The 4 year old was helping me rake up some hay last week. She told me that she was the best helper in the world and she loved me. I could have stolen her. My boarder has nice kids and they listen to their mother, which is very important.

                        We also give lessons and sometimes we get some siblings of riders who are a little out of control. I've broken up a few crop and stick battles, reminded kids that running isn't allowed, and that jumping off the hay bales is forbidden. I do insist that the parents keep their unmounted kids with them at all times. My barn is out of sight of my ring and I want no kids left unsupervised by an adult in the barn. Too much temptation!
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                        • #72
                          I'll be honest here. I have two girls - 10 and 14. I feel comfortable leaving the 14yo (she's a freshman in high school) at the barn without my direct supervision (although it is always during times that the trainer is there and if she is not taking a lesson herself, then she is there to "play groom" and help the little kids tack their horses for their lessons). My 10yo is never at the barn without either my direct supervision or the direct supervision of an adult friend. These periods without me are usually short runs down the street to pick up lunch etc. The 10yo is NEVER dropped off for the day, even with an adult to supervise. This sport has too many built in dangers to add an unsupervised child to the mix. I don't care how responsible and mature your child is - -and mine IS a VERY responsible and mature 10yo, she's still only ten and when push comes to shove she will be making 10 yo decisions!!! Why do people think that children, even mature children, are able to make decisions beyond their developmental ability? No sane person would expect a 6 month old to walk - they're too young. What's different here?


                          A barn is a barn, not a day care center. I'm sorry if your work schedule makes it impossible for your child to be at the barn when you are at work. I feel for you, but please do not put your child, and more importantly, my child in danger because you cannot find or afford appropriate supervision. My family make some very real sacrifices to allow me to be home with our kids. Many of my friends work and are raising fine, upstanding intelligent children. There are many benifits to being a working mom, but having the freedom to spend hours at the barn is not one of them.

                          ON the topic of kids "running" around the barn. I'm OK with some light hearted play around the barn, but PLEASE, if your rider's younger sibling MUST accompany you to lessons, enforce the rule that running, shouting, screaming, gymnastics, rock throwing etc. is too dangerous at the barn. That's MY baby out there in the arena riding on a great, big animal. I have no problem addressing your child directly if s/he is putting my child in danger by her/his actions. If mom doesn't react quickly I see no reason to wait until someone gets hurt before I say something. It's not necessary to be rude to the child, or engage in character assassination. I've found that a simple "You need to stop (screaming/jumping/dancing/throwing rocks etc) NOW, before one of the horses gets scared" (accompanied by "THE LOOK" if needed ) takes care of the problem. Usually if the child does not respond immediately, the mom is embarrassed enough to intervene. If not, I'm not shy. I simply invite the child to leave the area! If it's my kid participating in any of the above actions, she knows that not only will she get yelled at by various and sundry boarders/trainers/barn staff but just wait until mom finds out!!!! Can you say "Welcome to your afternoon sitting in the car????" I must admit that there was one occasion when a very nervous rider yelled at her because the rider "thought" that my child was about to skip on the path next to the arena. All the other moms quickly jumped to my "poor, maligned" child's defense. My response was simple. I explained to her that the rider was probably having a bad day AND if she sat and watched for a while she'd see that the rider's (green) horse was giving her quite a bit of trouble. My daughter quickly understood that the rider was probably reacting to nervousness more than an her actual misbehavior. No harm, no foul AND a lesson in tolerance!!!


                          OK I'll get off my soap box. Rant over. (Got to go to the barn anyway! )
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by jetsmom
                            Personally, I think they should all be attached to a mechanical hotwalker while their parents are busy. Or maybe let some of the juniors practice their lunging techniques using the kids attached to the end of a lungeline.
                            Ho boy yes, Jetsmom for President LOL

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                            • #74
                              Popping back in

                              Popping back in to say my toe is not broken and I am A-okay (it hurts but I can ride and that's all that matters). Do I score bonus points because some random DOGS caused my horse sto spook and drag the lead rope through my hand, jamming my finger?!? Dogs and small children need to be supervised.
                              ~Veronica
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                              • #75
                                This is SO similar to my work enviroment; I'm a hairdresser. Many moms come in with small children, leave them totally unsupervised to get their hair cut, and then ignore said small children while talking with the stylist. Just Saturday I had to warn 2 small girls NOT to spin on the extra styling chair. At the third time, I pinned my ears, glared at them, and said, "OK, third warning. Now the duct tape comes out!"

                                The mother was horrified that I dared to discipline her children. She wasn't even MY client! Give me a break; it's MY workspace and can you imagine the insurance claim had said child gone flying out of spinning chair and cracked their head open on the counter of the workstation?

                                So if I owned a barn, or was a trainer, I would enforce some type of rule. I like Jetsmom's concept - you go girl!
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                                • #76
                                  IMO, parents who allow their children to run amok are fair game, in regards to disciplining said children. If they take offense, I simply explain that it's my barn/home, my rules, and if they don't want Sweetie-pie/Poopsiekins to get her bottom smacked, they will either find a way to control him/her, or vacate my premises posthaste.

                                  When I was a kid and had friends over who weren't as <ahem> "disciplined" as I and misbehaved, my mother would quietly explain to them that when said friend was in our home, he/she would be subject to the same rules I was. I was convinced that that would put paid to me ever having sleepover friends again, but incredibly, the opposite happened; EVERYONE thought my mom was cool, and always wanted to be at my house on a Saturday night. Just goes to show that kids really do want limits and discipline.

                                  Too many parents want to be "friends" with their kids, not realizing that this doesn't happen until said kid is older and <usually> out of the house. Or they're "afraid of stifling Poopsiekins' creativity". Never mind that a good smack on the butt, coupled with a firm, "NO!" every now and again is needed to make Poopsiekins bearable to be around. And it's always these parents who are mystified when no one wants to associate with either them or their spawn. Doesn't "take a village to raise a child", but here's one villager who will happily stomp on the civil liberties of any spratlet who makes a nuisance of him/herself on my property.
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                                  • #77
                                    """"I highy doubt my 8yo rider will be let at the barn w/o me but my friend and trainer boots me outta the arena during Mich's lessons as I turn ash-while with fear she says; I take that time to groom my horse.""""

                                    That is the precursor to the scaredy-cat Mommy dance.
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                                    • #78
                                      Originally posted by ESG
                                      IMO, parents who allow their children to run amok are fair game, in regards to disciplining said children. If they take offense, I simply explain that it's my barn/home, my rules, and if they don't want Sweetie-pie/Poopsiekins to get her bottom smacked, they will either find a way to control him/her, or vacate my premises posthaste.

                                      When I was a kid and had friends over who weren't as <ahem> "disciplined" as I and misbehaved, my mother would quietly explain to them that when said friend was in our home, he/she would be subject to the same rules I was. I was convinced that that would put paid to me ever having sleepover friends again, but incredibly, the opposite happened; EVERYONE thought my mom was cool, and always wanted to be at my house on a Saturday night. Just goes to show that kids really do want limits and discipline.

                                      Too many parents want to be "friends" with their kids, not realizing that this doesn't happen until said kid is older and <usually> out of the house. Or they're "afraid of stifling Poopsiekins' creativity". Never mind that a good smack on the butt, coupled with a firm, "NO!" every now and again is needed to make Poopsiekins bearable to be around. And it's always these parents who are mystified when no one wants to associate with either them or their spawn. Doesn't "take a village to raise a child", but here's one villager who will happily stomp on the civil liberties of any spratlet who makes a nuisance of him/herself on my property.

                                      That is the beauty of barn-raised kids.Somebody's mama is always around ( I just wanna know why its always me??) to put a kid back in line. In our old neighborhood, everyone had horses and most everyone homeschooled. We were all friends and all the kids knew that if they got out of line, somebody's mama was gonna get 'em, then that mama was going to call the bio-mama and the young'un in question would get it again. Needless to say, we didn't have many issues with misbehavior. I have found that in many cases, it is that way around barns, shows, etc. Kids will be kids, and mess up, but horsey-kids tend to be a little better behaved than most non barn raised kids. Maybe I am just prejudiced, but give me a barn kid any day. I want a whole barn full of young riders, and with my 4 daughters, their gaggle of friends, and 3 of our nephews, and my hubby's cousin, who is the same age as my oldest daughter, I;ve got them. Pray for me, lol
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                                      • #79
                                        A fine club to belong to....The only thing worse than watching my daughter jump was watching my daughter jump MY horse!!!1
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                                        • #80
                                          Irish, you must be a masochist. I'd run and hide rather than watch that. I have trouble watching someone else on my jumper, and that's when I'm SCHOOLING them!
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