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  • #41
    Well, I'm not a parent, so can only reply as my Mom would (though my Dad let us run wild, I THINK I learned SOMETHING)
    When my Mom got us our pony, she pulled on her ears, smacked her in the face, and kicked her in the stomach. Well before then, she had taught us NEVER to do such things, but she wanted to feel positive that our pony would take some abuse without retaliation. I've to this day (nearly 30 years) not forgotten her tests. I thought they were unacceptable for a long time, but since have decided that they were careful and proactive.
    That being said, CHILDREN MUST BE SUPERVISED. My mom felt that those tests were necessary for a child's pony. I now agree, but at a public barn your horse should not be assaulted or even discommoded by unruly children. Too many parents today think that their children will just turn out OK without a firm hand.
    We all know that a horse allowed to do what he wishes 90% of the time will a) not do much b) develop bad habits and C) resent all correction. Children seem very similar, from my inexperienced viewpoint.


    So, to truly reply to the point of this thread, unsupervised children never belong anywhere. I think at 12+ they might be able to do their own thing *singly*. Because teenagers run in packs, you know. Like wolves . But they're not as dangerous one on one.

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    • #42
      I don't like children as a rule and don't have any, but I usually don't mind kids at the barn. Most horsey kids are pretty well behaved. One of my former trainers always seemed to have a barn full of rugrats running around, and these were *gasp* "crazy" Saddlebreds. They would run around the barn, ride bikes, play with water guns, etc., etc. while the horses were on cross ties, and sometimes while the older seasoned horses were being worked. They knew to behave when young horses were being trained and stayed out of the way when mares were being teased or bred. The only time I recall reprimanding one was at a horse show- the trainer's youngest (probably about 5 or 6) climbed up on the rail at a horse show. I simply snatched him down and growled at him- his feelings were hurt but it's nothing his parents wouldn't have done- I just happened to be closest and got to him first! The barn was noisy and full of commotion when the kids were around, but it certainly didn't hurt the horses any and it was FUN! Sometimes adults need to relax a bit- and hold down the monster that got you with the water gun and drench them with the hose-LOL!

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      • #43
        An ex-farrier brought his 2 wild, undisciplined children out when he did our horses. The first time they came out, nothing happened. They stayed close to dad or sat in his truck.

        The second (and last) time they all came out, all Hell broke loose.

        They waited around the truck until our hands were full, then wandered into the indoor. Both grabbed lunge whips and were having a high 'ol time seeing who could crack his/hers the loudest. Indoor about 100' from barn and not connected, so we couldn't see what they were doing, just hear it. Both also yelling at the tops of their voices. Then one of them found the controls for the stereo system and suddenly loud music came BLASTING thru the doors. They spun the radio dial around so we were treated to a lightning-fast barrage of EXTRA-LOUD rock, classical, rap, news..etc... This all happened in the space of about 5 minutes, mind you.

        Farrier/Dad never "noticed", just kept hammering away as if nothing was going on (??maybe he was deaf, suddenly???). Hubby & I both busy with horses, holding for farrier, feeding, etc...exchanging alarmed glances and wondering when Dad over there was going to run up there and knock their heads together. Husband jerking his head in arena direction, hissing, "get them outta there!"

        I ran up and those two had also managed to turn on the sprinklers; brother had tied sister up in one of our chairs with a lunge line and placed her under the spraying water. She was shrieking, he was laughing as he "fine-tuned" the radio. I cleared them outta there and marched them back to dad's truck and slammed them both in. Dad/farrier looks up briefly as I ask him, "what's up with these kids?!?!"

        What's really funny is that he took offence when I told his daughter to "stop being a pain in the ass!" when she rolled down truck window and began moaning and whining. Apparently, I had crossed the boundary of appropriate conduct.

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        • #44
          I think it really depends on the child and the parent involved as well as what is going on at the barn. When a child proves themselves, great, until then, they go on leadlines firmly planted in a responsible parent's hand. I have been blessed in that my kids, and the kids we were around in MS were all horse kids, and quite capable. That being said, my 12 yr old, who lived the first 6 months of her life in the tackroom for the most part, is NOT to be at the barn without me right on top of her. .

          Mine were on leadlines around the horses until they proved that they would listen. Someone posted that her kidlets behaved because they knew Mama had a big longewhip-AMEN!! A barn is not a place for ill behaved children-mine-yours, others, if they don't behave immediately, a tail tanning helps alot and makes a believer. It can also save a life.
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          • #45
            Here's that nice generaic answer everyone loves: When should children be left at the barn alone? When they're mature enough! I've taught kids from freshmen to seniors, and there are some freshmen (14 year olds, I guess) I'd trust with almost anything, and then there are some 17-18 year olds I can't turn my back on in an empty classroom for a second.

            It's also nice to say that horses should just get used to what happens around the barn, and that's true to an extent. However, I don't classify an obnoxious six year old running up my 4-yr-old TB's @ss while swinging a lunge whip as "normal barn occurance". It's also hard to use that theory to explain to the parents (or defend in court) when said horse kicks the kid's head off (which he didn't, bless his heart).

            And I will admit that I'll lay into kids in front of parents IF I think the parent should know better--if the parent isn't horse savvy, I'll calmly (as I can sometimes ) explain WHY child is flirting with the undertaker. I think that's part of the problem: IF mom/dad doesn't know it's dangerous, how will the kids know it? And you have to admit that most horses look pretty stoic in the cross ties (My TB will bat his eyelashes at you, draw you in, and then suck the skin right off your body ). However, if mom/dad has survived around horses long enough to reproduce, those survivial skills had better be passed along to the kids!
            "And now . . .off to violin-land, where all is sweetness and delicacy and harmony and there are no red-headed clients to vex us with their conundrums."

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            • #46
              haven't read the whole thread...

              but just had to say, i DID lock a kid in a stall once, his mother left him to ride, he was tormenting the barn kittens, and didn't stop when asked.

              So, without another word, I took away the kittens, guided him into a stall, and closed the door on him.

              and then I forgot all about him, until quite some time later, when someone heard a small voice, whispering; mooommmm? mom, are you there?

              kid was good as gold after that. and the stall got a permament sign saying, all children left unattended will be imprisoned until claimed by parent.
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              • #47
                My trainer has done the same with her 3 y/o son. She was cleaning tack before a show (we were at the show grounds) and he was running amok, screaming, knocking things over, and finally the straw that broke the camel's back....he grabbed her bucket of soapy tack-cleaning water and upturned it in the aisle. She grabbed him by the arm and plunked his butt in the nearest unoccupied stall and closed the door. Then she looked right at me and another customer, and told us not to speak to him if our lives depended on it! I was trying so hard not to laugh I about peed myself. I'll tell you what, that kid hasn't had to be told more than once to knock it off since that day. Bless those parents who DON'T let their children run crazy!

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                • #48
                  the things we wish we'd thought to say at the time!

                  Originally posted by Coreene
                  Then she lost her three year old and I said "I think she went back there." The gal barked "Well, that's a great way to keep an eye on a kid," to which I quite rudely pointed out that no, it was a crap way, and it was HER kid so it was HER crap way of keeping an eye on HER child.

                  Coreene - ROFLMAO! Perfect response!

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                  • #49
                    I've quit looking out for their safety, and focus on mine...once Bob's back in his stall, all warm and comfy, I let the BO/BM worry about it...I'm paying them, they're NOT paying me to babysit, especially when an ignorant or ineffective parent is sitting right there. This seems to happen with student lessons. Once they're Boarders kids, we train 'em right from the get go, and ANY boarder in the Barn is Happy to keep the kids in line
                    Now, that said, If Bob and I are working together, all bets are off.....
                    I've had my kids, raised them properly and now, it's about ME...so there.....
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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by Dancing Lawn
                      but just had to say, i DID lock a kid in a stall once, his mother left him to ride, he was tormenting the barn kittens, and didn't stop when asked.

                      So, without another word, I took away the kittens, guided him into a stall, and closed the door on him.

                      and then I forgot all about him, until quite some time later, when someone heard a small voice, whispering; mooommmm? mom, are you there?

                      kid was good as gold after that. and the stall got a permament sign saying, all children left unattended will be imprisoned until claimed by parent.
                      I love it! I'm actually jealous that I didn't think of that first when I'VE dealt with "rottens"!!!
                      RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
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                      • #51
                        It's crazy to let kids wander loose in a barn. Parents should be right beside the younger child FACING him (not back turned chatting to a friend). My pet peeve is a mother at my barn who has a wild 4 or 5 y/o and has the other kids "watch" him while she goes off and does her own things. A 12 yr old busy playing with their friends or visiting the horses is NOT a suitable babysitter for an out-of-control 4 y/o. I've caught him running up behind tied horses, and climbing up behind the hay pile where he could get stuck. Everyone thinks he's so "cute". I pity him; he needs parenting and he's in danger every time mom wanders off to do her own thing.

                        For some reason these are the kind of parents who never notice. They dont know or care what the kids are doing. If someone confronts them, they immediately turn defensive. "I WAS watching him" And the kid continues to run loose. And we wonder why so many small kids in this country are injured or die from accidents.

                        I'd like to see a level of maturity before the child is handling the horse without a parent right next to them. The child should be able to listen to basic instructions, remain calm, and at least be trying to focus on what they're doing.

                        Some parents of students seem to think it's a free hour of babysitting; they drop the kid off in the driveway and vanish for 2 hours. For some reason most american kids cant control themselves or focus on anything??? While I see the same age kids on Amish/mennonite farms handling huge workhorses or helping run the family business.
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                        • #52
                          DL- Another great barn sign- "All unattended children will be given a double espresso and a free puppy". Perfect.

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                          • #53
                            Actually, my favorite is, "All unattended children will be confiscated and sold as slaves." Problem is, the sort that are left unattended, you probably couldn't GIVE away.

                            I feel about unattended children the way I feel about loose dogs in a barn - NO. I've had to tell parents to get their children out of the arena when older brother/sister is riding, and had the parents look at me like, "Why? They're just there playing in the dirt." This, as they play ON THE RAIL while riders are frantically trying to avoid them. And as Coreene said, it's always the worst parents that are the most offended. I have, on more than one occasion, snatched a spratlet up by the scruff of the neck and deposited it in front of its parent, with a strongly worded invitation to vacate the premises and not return until both spratlet and parent can control themselves and behave in a reasonable manner. That is one thing I do NOT stand for.
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                            • #54
                              It all boils down to what parents aren't teaching.....My kids were NEVER allowed to run and Shout inside a building, unless it was the gym at school...That's what backyards are for.....
                              How amazed was I when I barked "No!!" at my 8 month old daughter who's passion in life was tearing my hair out by the roots.....
                              It worked....
                              Training the parents is worse...we've got a reverse situation...Mom leaves stroller and tiny infant parked ringside while she visits the horses and wanders the aisles, questioning everything we do..."Why?When?How?Where?How?'
                              How many times can you suggest they sign up for lessons????
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                              • #55
                                Dogs are welcome; children must be on a leash.


                                When I was a kid, I was a total barn rat. But the only way I was allowed to hang around was if there was a pitchforck or tack sponge in my hand. I'd stay there all day - happily going up to boarders and asking if I could clean their tack for them, or clean their horse's stall, or help them by getting their crops, holding the off stirrup, etc. I was their slave - and happy as a clam. That's the only kid that should be left at a barn. The others should be locked in a stall.
                                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by J Swan
                                  Dogs are welcome; children must be on a leash.


                                  When I was a kid, I was a total barn rat. But the only way I was allowed to hang around was if there was a pitchforck or tack sponge in my hand. I'd stay there all day - happily going up to boarders and asking if I could clean their tack for them, or clean their horse's stall, or help them by getting their crops, holding the off stirrup, etc. I was their slave - and happy as a clam. That's the only kid that should be left at a barn. The others should be locked in a stall.
                                  That's the key--the kids need to be motivated and have a set agenda. The kids who cause the most havoc are the ones who don't know why they are at a barn and are desperate to find a way to amuse themselves. There's a couple of bratty kids at our barn--mom rides; they don't--they are obnoxious UNLESS the barn aisle is dirty. If they can sweep, they are quiet, polite, busy, and helpful. We have a long aisle, so sweeping occupies them for at least a half hour (they're little un's). IF more kids were given direction rather than just abandoned at the barn by parents, there would be less trouble (and cleaner aisles!)

                                  Side note: One of the kids at a HS was a complete brat. The Home Ec. teacher had enough of her, so the teacher gave the punishment of staying after school and scrubbing the ovens, wiping down the counters, sweeping the lab, etc. The girl LOVED it--she would stay after school every day cleaning away, talking to the teacher about the world and everything in it. After several weeks, the mom figured out what was going on; she marched to the SCHOOL BOARD (not the teacher) and raised holy heck over the fact that her daughter was being forced to do such menial crud work (work, by the way, that was good enough for the teacher to do--the janitors weren't allowed to do it by contract). The school board agreed and the teacher wasn't allowed to "force" the girl to stay after school. That ended that.
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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by [r.oo and l.ulu]
                                    While I certainly can't stand the clueless parents that allow their unruly children to roam free, I'm also not fond of the hypochondriatic horse owners who freak if people talk loud, or -God forbid- run through the barn
                                    Yelling merely annoys me.
                                    But trust me, if I'm working on a horse, I don't care *whose* kid it is, if it runs through the barn, I rip it a new one.
                                    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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                                    • #58
                                      hehe I do believe I would drive all of you nuts as I have my 3week old baby at the barn everyday, and probably once a week at the barn my mom boards her horse at when I go to give her a lesson. We all joked as I taught lessons while I was preggo that the baby would come out telling people "to look up, your horse isn't going to change colors on you."

                                      I want my daughter to be able to play with her horse and be in the barn and with the horses with out me having to be anally looking over her shoulder, so she will be started at a VERY young age with safe handling and what to do and not to do around horses. SO that is why we have a family only barn, and while at the barn her grammie boards at, she will stay with me, if she hasn't talked her grammie into letting HER ride Alex lol

                                      I think so much of the decision as to when kids should or should not be in the barn is soo dependant on the childs experience and the horses there, and the child's maturity level. And I would add to that the Parent's knowledge and experience as well.

                                      Like I would HOPE that Gabi when she is 5 or 6 will be more ready having grown up with horses to hang out in the barn than a 12 oe 13yo that is only taking lessons once a week or so.

                                      *Yes,, I am just WAITING impatiently for the day that she can tack up and ride her own horse/pony so we can go ride together as a family ... and to think she is only 3 weeks old now HAHA This is goign to be a longgggg couple of years, and my luck she'll probably hate horses or something horrible like that*
                                      If i'm posting on Coth, it's either raining so I can't ride or it's night time and I can't sleep.

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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by Appassionato
                                        The loud talking doesn't bother me at all, but even the calmest horse in the world can spook in regards to running. I ask for the kids to ride their bikes or run outside of the barn, but never into or in the barn. That's been pretty standard barn rules anywhere I've been.
                                        That is exactly why I'm soooo happy that my B.O. screens all boarders very carefully first. hmmmmm I've always wondered why we have no kids at our barn.
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                                        • #60
                                          Originally posted by Catersun
                                          hehe I do believe I would drive all of you nuts as I have my 3week old baby at the barn everyday, and probably once a week at the barn my mom boards her horse at when I go to give her a lesson. We all joked as I taught lessons while I was preggo that the baby would come out telling people "to look up, your horse isn't going to change colors on you."

                                          *
                                          My best friend used to school me at her place, while her then 5 yo played quietly with his trucks in the far corner of the arena.

                                          One day as I negotiated a course, he looked up and shouted, "outside rein, Aunt Charlotte!"

                                          the scary part is, he was right.
                                          "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

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