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Dec. 19, 2002, 02:04 PM

Owners have agreed to forfeit custody of the horses, so they won't have to go through a lengthy trial.

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Dec. 19, 2002, 03:18 PM

I know Barney who wrote the article-had to work all day so hadn't heard the news. Hooray!!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

So glad they will be able to go off to foster homes soon-and they can't go to slaughter. I am happy.

Thank you all for your wishes and checks...they have been so helpful. This has been an expensive thing-and I find it SOOOO tacky of the "other" vet clinic that they felt the need to get blood from a turnip by having the people served with the papers for the $3300. Unreal....the other vet (mine) nor any of the volunteers nor the farriers have asked for their work to be compensated.Oh Brother! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Dec. 19, 2002, 03:45 PM

Maggymay is probably right about why the vet clinic served the owners with papers for their services. It might also damage the owner's credit rating, and make it more difficult for them to buy land/horses/whatever in the future.

And honestly, $3300 is a lot of money to expect the vet clinic to donate. If the owners who got the horses into such dire circumstances did have the funds to reimburse the clinic, then they certainly should have to.

Maybe filing papers also lets the vet clinic deduct the money from taxes as a bad debt? I'm not an accountant, so I don't know.
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Dec. 19, 2002, 04:57 PM

being able to write it off as a bad debt perhaps-the people have nothing. My vet told me that these are the same folks who told him about 5 years ago that they would pay off his $400 surgery bill $15 a month...LOL.
That didn't fly-they gave him a ring supposedly worth a lot-it was worth $250, and then came back for the ring about 3 years later! Whackos!

I would think the people who foster the horses get the first stab at adoption.

Also, I agree that someone dropped the ball on watching them, but they had changed states-geez, the powers that be can't even track hardened criminals and scuzzy child molesters, so horse abusers probably aren't high on the list either! Just look that the guy who killed Miranda Gaddis and Ashley Pond had been reported several times to the authorities, yet noone followed up, even after they were killed. Sad. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

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Dec. 20, 2002, 08:38 AM

it appears that the couple had a third party who bought BACK some of their abused horses from the the auction they held in Chehalis 7 years ago-those were the horses they transferred here. (I think they should go after this third party for aiding and abbetting future abuse imo). The news is saying that foster families will be being found in the next 3-5 weeks-and adopters will have to sign papers that say they are not associtated with these people as a third party, nor wiill these adopters slaughter the horse they adopt.

And ALSO, the husband has a prior conviction for animal abuse from Lewis County Washington in 1973. Obviously the cycle continues-I hope our county follows up on these people.

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Dec. 21, 2002, 12:01 PM

Anyone who has extra holiday money and wants to spread one more bit of cheer....look here!
They can still use $!
I know it made me feel great to send some...better than spending the same amount on some crappy gift to someone because I felt "obligated" to give them a gift. Donations to animals are the ONLY gifts I am giving this year! Works for me! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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Dec. 28, 2002, 08:38 AM

well, I went and saw the bunch at the vet's yesterday-helped clean up the area a bit, as volunteerism is waning over the holidays, and perhaps over time.

Far less diarrhea from the horses, and let me tell ya what a bit of hay will do for horses after a few weeks! They are feisty women, all sporting halters and leads (dragging on the ground)....and they are moving! Not just walking listlessly (when they came, they didn't move), they are now exhibiting a lot of herd behavior and cantering if need be! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

No foals yet, but they are imminent. The vast majority of them are at our fairgrounds, and are getting the last of the booster shots. Many knowledgable people in the loop come into our shop and share the info with us-I am told many have very good breeding, mainly paints, appys and QH's. Some of the mares were off the track as well. A great guy from our BLM where they keep the mustangs has been instumental in helping out, and will hopefully have a hand in the auction process to make sure the "bleeding hearts" with no horse knowledge don't end up with the horses. I am told only approved homes will get the horses.

And good thing imo, as these are not walk in the park type animals-they are not gentled, and will require lots of handling in a safe manner, lots of tlc, vet care, etc.

I think they intend to auction these horses soon, as the icky people have given up custody of them. (did I tell you that the man had also been busted for this same thing in 1973? that makes 3 times now [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img]).....A local vet here had lived in the Olympia area at the time of the second bust, 7 years ago, and had seen the shape of the horses. She was so appalled that the authorities had allowed them to keep a few for "breeding stock"...and noone had checked to see if third parties were buying back their horses for them.

These are the people who were crying "don't hurt our horses" as the authorities were cutting their horses out of wire fences-there were no gates on this corral, with dozens of horses stuffed in it, ontop of manure feet thick. These were the ski jump hooved horses, they couldn't move, and were tangled in the fence, crammed shoulder to shoulder. A fate like that for these people would be too good for them imo.

Anyway, thank you all for your donations-until they are gone, they are still eating up some $5000 a week in hay and supplies. Every little bit helps, thank you. Maybe I can take some photos. My little chestnut mare still does not look good-cellulitis in the back leg, very thin, but still a lap dog.

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Dec. 28, 2002, 08:56 AM

These people are just wacko! I hope that they are never able to get a single one of these horses back. Is there any news on the charges laid against them?

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Dec. 28, 2002, 12:38 PM

the mailing info

Checks can be made to "Save the Horses"
c/o Bank of the Cascades
1100 NW Wall St
Bend OR 97701
(541) 385-6200

Questions regarding the save the horses fund can be directed to the Deschutes County Sheriff's office at (541) 617-3310.
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1-800-815-4868 for Save the Horses....the other number is a deputy's number, and she is away until the first week of January. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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Dec. 30, 2002, 07:17 PM

I have some cheques to post to you after the ebay auctions.
Been out of touch with no electric or phone for 4 days.
I will try to get back on top of things after the first. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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Jan. 7, 2003, 09:06 AM

Need to bump this up so people don't forget they are still around.

The gal from the sheriff's office called and is going to send the extra halters to our shop so we can sell them at a reduced price, and all the proceeds will go back to the Save The Horses. She said the auction will be for preapproved folks, and will be next month.

In the meantime, they areEATING 10 TONS OF HAY A DAY!......That's a lot of hay, so if you have any christmas pennies left over, it goes to a decent cause.

Still no babies born, but one little mare sure looked like her time was coming close. Someone yesterday made a comment that for backwoods morons, they sure were pretty good about getting their mares to foal close to Jan 1st-much better than a lot of our so called "breeders" locally ...LOL.
Anyway, not much to update....saw them over the break, but have not seen them for a week or so. Gaining weight and getting feistier, which is good.

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Jan. 8, 2003, 10:08 AM

I'm trying to send you a private topic, but if that doesn't work, please e-mail me! I'm here and the cheque is ready to go

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Jan. 8, 2003, 10:30 AM

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lilblackhorse:
In the meantime, they are EATING 10 TONS OF HAY A DAY.
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Not sure that's physically possible, LBH.

Thanks for the update. When will the horses be adopted out?
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Jan. 8, 2003, 11:20 AM

I wondered if that were possible as well, but there are 140 hungry horses eating 24/7, so perhaps it is????

Bentley, the address to send the checks is on the thread-please send them to the bank. Bless your hearts everyone who has contributed.

The auction is supposed to go sometime the end of this month or beg of Feb I am told.

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Jan. 8, 2003, 02:01 PM

10 tons = approximately 22 thousand pounds. 22,000/140 = approximately 160 pounds per day per horse.

Sounds quite a bit.

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Jan. 8, 2003, 05:50 PM

I'm glad to hear these horses are doing better, and that they may all find good homes....

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I'll send them to the bank if you want, but I brought you back a small something from Oz that I thought you might like Hence the reason for wanting to send them to you!!

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Jan. 10, 2003, 11:24 AM

Here is the latest info on the horses......auction to come beginning of Feb.

http://bend.com/news/ar_view^3Far_id^3D7586.htm

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