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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sister:
    This would be laughable if it weren't for the fact that some people actually do think this way. Please. Marriage to me is about a lifelong commitment that one person makes to another out of love. Ever watch "Divorce Court"? The "marriages" there are more of an affront to the tradition than any committed homosexual relationship could ever be.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    My mom and I were talking about marriages vs common-law last night.... and the conclusion was the same as up here. Marriage is about COMMITMENT.
    If two people commit seriously to each other but don't choose to sanctify that commitment through the church, but live together for 65 years before one partner dies, well, that's a heck of a lot better than the couple who gets married in their church and divorces 5 years later.

    Personally, I think that gay/lesbian couples should be allowed the same rights (especially legal rights) as married/common-law couples.

    BC, hoping she didn't stick her foot in her mouth...

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    • You know - people keep TELLING me albertans are rednecks, but the ones I cross paths with all seem to be big lefties. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
      Marge, with today\'s gasoline prices, we can\'t afford NOT to buy a pony!

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      • [QUOTE]Originally posted by elizabeth:

        Actually, the abortion thing always amuses me - pro-choice people never really concede that the anti-abortion people have the right to make the CHOICE to be anti-abortion. _The irony of the pro-choice faction's non-choice posture cracks me up._
        -------------------------------------------------

        The thing about the anti-choice faction is that they want to force their choice/beliefs on other's, and deny them access. They are often not just making a choice for themselves, but for everyone else. I think that is a big difference.

        No body is pro abortion, just pro choice.

        Sorry, I know this is waaay off topic.
        What would Homer say?

        [This message was edited by Fred on Aug. 09, 2002 at 07:39 PM.]
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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by elizabeth:Actually, the abortion thing always amuses me - pro-choice people never really concede that the anti-abortion people have the right to make the CHOICE to be anti-abortion. _The irony of the pro-choice faction's non-choice posture cracks me up._
          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          I certainly don't want to steer away from the original topic/discussion of this thread but I must make a comment. I am pro-choice which means I support a womans' right to choose the course of her pregnancy; it doesn't mean I have to agree or disagree with her choice/decision. The pro-life group (anti abortion) in our town is extremely well organized and march daily in front of Planned Parenthood--less than a mile from my house. While they call themselves a peaceful and prayerful group, I have witnessed first hand exactly how they go about their business every Tuesday morning with their shouts of "you're going to hell" to just about every woman who walks in. I guess I just take issue with the way the pro life group goes about attempting to deny a woman's legal right to choose...I certainly would never deny nor presume to tell anyone who is pro life how they should or should not feel much less attempt to deny them their freedom of speech, therefore I expect the pro life group to not attempt to deny a woman the right to her own reproductive choices.

          I am so sorry I got way carried away on this particular issue and I did not mean to; while I appear to be extremely passionate about this issue, I really am not; I just feel strongly about compassion and tolerance for all people no matter their color, race, religion, ethnicity etc.........
          Bethe Mounce
          Head Trainer, AmeriCan Romance Equestrian
          https://www.facebook.com/AmericanRomanceEquestrian
          Brentwood CA

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          • Amen, Bethe. Couldn't agree with you more.

            To bring this full circle to an equine analogy, the 'pro life' position is tantamount to the dictate that a broodmare must go through with a pregnancy, even though her life may be in danger; or to decree that only the owners of WB's should be allowed to either breed. It's really entirely about choice and the freedom to exercise it.

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              Sannois,

              Then don't open the topic.

              Go Get 'Em Tiger!!!
              see ya

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              • Yeah, I always love my dear, painfully repressed Mom's argument condeming gays and their 'hedonistic lifestyle'. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

                So, I say, if you hate bathhouse cruising and one-night stands, you must support gay marriage; you know, encourage stable, family lifestyle and mortgages, etc.

                Aaaack! no, she's against that, too! I usually leave her mumbling in her oatmeal.

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                • Sannois,
                  Gays don't think they should be treated differently than everyone else...they only seek to be treated equally as everyone should. If your thoughts behind that statement have to do with legislation frequently sought (so-called 'gay rights') please read the proposed legislation more carefully next time you intend to vote against it. It's not a 'special right' they seek...only equal protection under the law. Equal protection is one of our (US) most important and fundamental rights.

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                  • Sannois... perhaps if you disagreed a little bit more respectfully, you might find your thoughts would be a little better received. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

                    This topic is fine. We've got a 30-page thread going on right now on dating, we've talked about the "Inverness problem," and I don't see how this is any different.

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sannois:
                      If you all were quiet about your preferences and not yell it from the roof tops, no one would be any wiser. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      And what exactly would that accomplish?

                      Nothing.

                      You'd still have people strung to fences, left to die.

                      Robby

                      You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
                      When blood is the beverage of choice, the sharpest fangs feed first.

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                      • Our barn spent a bit of time debating the gay marriage issue at a recent horse show. The one anti's arguments were that if you let "those people" get married it would clog the courts and that gays weren't monogamous and shouldn't allowed to get married.

                        Hello!--aside from making gross generalizations has he looked at the stats on straights?

                        I asked him if he knew any gay couples and didn't get an answer.

                        Of course, this is the same person who informed me that you could identify a gay person's house b/c they "all had those lion statues outside."

                        And, I guess all of the above is why we need to have these discussions and why people need to expose themselves to others that aren't the same as they are. Knowing people of various races, ethnicities, religions, sexual orientations, politial persuations, etc. not only makes life a lot more interesting but is probably one of the most potent ways to fight prejudice.
                        The Evil Chem Prof

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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sannois:
                          If gay individuals didn't declare there preferences they Would not be treated any differently./ And under the constitution all have the same rights. If you are an american in this country. You want aproval not same rights! That you have. Think about it.

                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          I'm sorry, Sannois, but that is simply a false statement. While the Constitution might guarantee certain rights, we are far, far from providing equal rights to all citizens. Gays, African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, and any other 'American' minority (American minority because most are certainly not global minority) you can imagine are denied equal housing, employment, and access to opportunities EVERY DAY, right here, in America. Sheesh, even women can't get equal pay and equal access...so you shouldn't be surprised by this.

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                          • I guess I must have missed something [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
                            To the best of my knowledge gays still don't have the right to marry in the conventional sense or, in many cases, to make health decisions on behalf of their partners. They can still lose everything if their partner dies without leaving a very explicit will. Sure they have equal rights, not!

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                            • Sannois- So do you think it would be a good idea for women to mascarade as men to get the same advantages that men have histoically had over women in the work place? Or would it be better if women were just treated equally as men under the law...still very different beings...but equal?

                              Don't make me sorry I defended your right to your opinion [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

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                              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by akrogirl:
                                I guess I must have missed something [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
                                To the best of my knowledge gays still don't have the right to marry in the conventional sense or, in many cases, to make health decisions on behalf of their partners. They can still lose everything if their partner dies without leaving a very explicit will. Sure they have equal rights, not!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                Wait a minute here, that is not true! I am in the medical field and there is a medical durable power of Attorney and if someone's "partner or SO" is designated as such then they absolutely make the health care decisions. Re: the will, well that is different. But you are talking about two very different issues!

                                ~Run fast, Jump high. What else is there?~
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                                • "if gay individuals didn't declare there (sic) preferences, they would not be treated any differently"

                                  did I read that correctly? Does this mean if they just accept the status quo, stay hidden? live lies, every thing would be ok? For whom? what about insurance benefits, pensions? child custody? adoption? inheritance? not to mention ridicule, discrimination... and at the most tragic end of the scale, beaten to death.
                                  Equal rights means just that, equal. If some people are uncomfortable with that, I think they should examine themselves and why they feel so threatened.

                                  actually, in a way you are right, Sannois," no one WOULD be any wiser" literally.
                                  A Fine Romance. April 1991 - June 2016. Loved forever.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sannois:
                                    This has nothing to do with all the other equal rights issues. Sexual Orientation should get no special preferences or treatment, Heterosexuals dont say, Hey you are treating me different because I like the opposite sex or because I'm not gay.

                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Because THAT never happens. As the majority they already enjoy access to everything without discrimination.

                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Sannois:
                                    Why would you need to be treated any different or have gay rights if you kept your sexual preferences to yourselves??? There would be no gay rights issues, because you would keep your private life Private.

                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Again, it's not about gay 'rights' it's about equal access. But aside from that, why should anyone hide who they really are in a country that claims to guarantee "liberty and justice for ALL"??? If we truly believe that, and we are supposed to pledge to support that every day, we have to LIVE it. Which means, not denying people who they are, but advocating, supporting, defending, and providing equal opportunities, access, and rights for all. That's how we live up to our ideals of freedom, liberty, and justice. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

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                                    • Serendipity. In this country too.
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                                      • Sannois, I think any disrespect you've perceived is in direct proportion to the disrepect you've paid... name-calling isn't a requirement for disrespect, either. But I'll ignore that for the time being...

                                        Are you seriously suggesting that if gay people just never spoke a word about being gay, that they would be accepted into society and never be descriminated against?

                                        What about people like Robby and Jair who have partners? They should never speak of the people they love -- the people who are essentially their spouses -- to their friends, co-workers, etc.?

                                        The problems of homophobia and discrimination were NOT created by gay people. They were created by the ignorant morons among us who believe that because someone is different, they're a lesser person, or worse, they somehow "deserve" to be beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die.

                                        I fail to see how, if gay people merely shut up, these problems would go away. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

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                                        • xcjumper - I don't disagree agree but, again, we are talking about having to go to extra lengths that are not usually required for marrried couples. There have been several well documented cases of the patient's family making decisions against the wishes of the partner, when the partner was trying to act in accordance with mutually agreed upon courses of action.

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