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  • #221
    Someone knows who the original poster is???

    "Proud Member Of The I Love Dublin, Starman Babies, Sunnieflax and Horse Boxes Cliques" Bora Da
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    • #222
      It was Get-Em-Tiger. Check the original post on the first page and you'll see they have a little signature line that includes their name.

      I was thinking the same thing Robby! Pretty well knew that the original poster was someone's alter.

      Which is interesting because it was such a good thread! Wonder why the person behind didn't want to post this topic as themselves? You should never be ashamed of your opinions

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      • #223
        I think this is a great thread

        Being nosey- who's alter was it? I can't remember who left the BB... hmmm that means alot huh?

        ~ Some mistakes are too much fun to only make once ~
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        • #224
          So Get em Tiger, was someone else?

          "Proud Member Of The I Love Dublin, Starman Babies, Sunnieflax and Horse Boxes Cliques" Bora Da
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          • #225
            I don't know Bumpkin. I do remember thinking they were somone's alter at the time, because their "voice" was familiar, but to be fair to GET they could very well have been real.

            Regardless it was a good topic.

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            • #226
              What a great thread!
              I guess I'm oblivious because I've read posts from many of those herein identified as g/l, and never knew, asked or wondered what their sexual orientation was. Just what their responses to various horse issues were.
              Of course, my ring finger and pointer finger are the same length, so who knows what that means!
              IMO - on a personal level, it matters that you live with awareness, compassion, honor, integrity and dignity. It shouldn't matter a hoot what your sexual choices or choice of partner(s) are. (An ye harm none, of course.)On a public/Civil Rights level, if the latter matters re: jobs, education, housing, insurance, any civil or legal rights, then those items of discrimination are wrong and should be changed.
              JMHO and probably waaaaay out-of-date.

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              • #227
                Well, I'm (generlly) a happy guy, but I'm not gay. I don't give a #$%^ what people think of me overall. When I die I want to be remembered as good to my horses, true to my friends and honest with my fellow man. But, to the point, for an old cowboy I've done some things that, if you didn't know me, might make you wonder. Dressage is the least of these, ballet was up there though. Eowen needed a partner so ... off I went to ballet class. If we ever get to judging people by how they walk or talk or, even, what recreation they participate in, we've lost the battle.

                I have known, my knowlege, zero lesbians and few gay men. Unfortunately the gay men I knew were pedafiles (sp) so I have real issues where gay guys are concerned. I would definitely be "CALLED" homo-phobic, though anybody that knows me would tell you I'm not "AFRAID" of anything. Prejudice yes, because I don't trust them. Not that I wish anyone any harm, but personal experience (yes I was attacked by a family friend when I was young) has jaded my opinion markedly.

                In the end though, I wish EVERYONE would keep their sex lives private. I don't care, really, what goes on behind closed doors between (a half a dozen friends and their pets, just kidding) friends. On any level it should be sacred between the participants, at least that's how I was rasied. If someone finds a need to march up and down Broadway to stick up for what they believe "comes naturally" then maybe it's time to look at what they are doing. It's a free country but I'm not interested except for what goes on in my bedroom and I absa-by-god-lutely know that's only one other person in this worlds business. And if someone want's to call me gay because I love my horse and wear tight pants ... fine. They don't know me.

                I plan to live forever ...
                ... so far so good.
                \"The fool on the hill\"

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                • #228
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Eomer:
                  Unfortunately the gay men I knew were pedafiles (sp) so I have real issues where gay guys are concerned. I would definitely be "CALLED" homo-phobic, though anybody that knows me would tell I'm not "AFRAID" of anything. Prejudice yes, because I don't trust them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  1 - It's spelled "pedaphile"
                  2 - Gay men are not the only ones who are pedaphiles
                  3 - Not ALL gay men are pedaphiles
                  4 - Yes, you are entitled to your opinion, which was formed by personal experience.
                  5 - I just don't agree...and I was attacked by a straight male at a young age, but I don't mistrust ALL straight males.
                  And BTW, my vote is "born gay".

                  My horse bucked off your honor student!

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                  • #229
                    1 - It's spelled "pedaphile"

                    Actually, Gambit, it's spelled "pedophile."

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                    • #230
                      And, actually, I don't believe there is a relationship between being homosexual and being a pedophile.

                      Two entirely unrelated sets of desires.
                      Mal:This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then .... explode

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                      • #231
                        Absolutely, SoEasy! I was tweaking Gambit 'cuz he or she seemed to think spelling was an issue....just jivin'!

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                        • #232
                          pt - thanks - it was NOT in my dictionary (apparently Webster-Merriam stays away from trainwrecks)- I took that spelling from a web dictionary. And no, I don't think the issue here is spelling.
                          soeasy - you are right - completely unrelated desires.
                          Prejudice is a horrible fact of life - hell, here in GA, we still have active KKK
                          Ignorance = prejudice

                          My horse bucked off your honor student!

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                          • #233
                            I voted born that way, but I agree with the posters that people fall on a scale from 1 to 10. Some of us fall in the middle and can go either way depending on our life experiences. My uncle was gay and my father was surprised when he married a woman. After 2 kids and over 20 years of marriage, he left her for a man he fell in love with. He spent the rest of his life with that man and was much happier in my opinion. As far as the homophobes, you guys are silly. My son and I had a gay trainer. One woman in the stable asked me if I was concerned about my son taking lessons with him when I wasn't there. I laughed and laughed. First of all my son is free to be whatever orientation he chooses. I only care that he is happy. A gay trainer can't change my son into something he's not. He could only make my son comfortable enough to explore his own sexuality if my son isn't sure what he is. And I applaud that. If my son were gay and was in the kind of great relationship my uncle had, I would be a happy mother. I've always told both my sons to fall in love with whomever makes them happy no matter the sex, religion, race, etc.

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                            • #234
                              The last number I heard via FBI statistics is that 90 to 95 percent of sex offenders are heterosexual men. Obviously that does not minimalize anyone's personal experience, but those are the "official" estimates, such as they are.

                              Which makes you really want to slap the catholic church upside the head, their eminencies having decided when the priest-sex-offender scandals hit that blaming gay priests would be appropriate. There has been a women's group in the church since the 70s speaking out (to deaf ears) about heterosexually-oriented sex abuse in that institution.

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                              • #235
                                TBMare - ah, if only everyone were as enlightened as you! I, too, have had several gay trainers and I guess that is where I learned about homosexuality and acceptance. And, BTW, I am a straight female.
                                Hobson - but gee, then the money would stop flooding in if it was exposed! (OK, I am prejudiced against Catholics - LOL)

                                My horse bucked off your honor student!

                                Founder: LOFL (lawn ornaments for life) clique

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                                • #236
                                  Eomer - you went to ballet class and met no gay men?

                                  Your stereotype of gay men is very generational. You describe yourself as older, and by what you type I have no doubt about this. I don't know where the idea came about that gay men are pedophiles but, as it turns out, heterosexual men are much more likely to suffer from pedophilia.

                                  How do you know these gay men you knew were pedophiles? I find it so interesting that you could count on one hand your number of gay contacts and then label them as pedophiles. Were you hanging out around juvenile court or something? Were they convicted criminals? Did this occur at a time when the APA still defined homosexuality as an illness?

                                  I'm not being facetious at all. You have much to bring to the conversation from the generational angle. I'll be interested to read your response.

                                  Robby

                                  "Don't mince words, don't be evasive
                                  Speak your mind, be persuasive"
                                   Madonna
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                                  • #237
                                    Humm, gambit - when somebody puts (sp) behind a word (when posting) it means they are pretty sure they misspelled it.

                                    I said "only gay men are pedophile's" and "all gay men are pedophile's (thanks pt) ... where? I said 100% of the gay men I knew were/are. ***AND*** that I was predjudiced in that regard, not without reason. My vote would be "becomes gay" not that it matters because the point I was making is IT'S NOBODY'S BUSINESS BUT THEIR OWN and that IF we start branding people for what they wear and do "dat ess ven ve come indo tdrrroaable" to borrow a pharse from Conrad Scuhmaker. I explained my past mearly to let the reader know that is was stricktly MY OPINION and that opinion is more than a little bit questionable. (pt can tell you what a stickler I am when it comes to differenciating opinion from documented fact)
                                    I plan to live forever ...
                                    ... so far so good.
                                    \"The fool on the hill\"

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                                    • #238
                                      eomer, so how do you know they were/are pedophiles? Or are you trolling?

                                      My horse bucked off your honor student!

                                      Founder: LOFL (lawn ornaments for life) clique

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                                      • #239
                                        I actually think the question is ... "how do you know the pedophiles were gay?"

                                        As I understand it, which may be imperfectly, a pedophile prefers underaged partners, and may not have a preference as to whether they are male or female.

                                        Robby??? am I getting this at all?
                                        Mal:This is the Captain. We have a little problem with our entry sequence, so we may experience some slight turbulence and then .... explode

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                                        • #240
                                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TBMare:
                                          I voted born that way, but I agree with the posters that people fall on a scale from 1 to 10. Some of us fall in the middle and can go either way depending on our life experiences. My uncle was gay and my father was surprised when he married a woman. After 2 kids and over 20 years of marriage, he left her for a man he fell in love with. He spent the rest of his life with that man and was much happier in my opinion. As far as the homophobes, you guys are silly. My son and I had a gay trainer. One woman in the stable asked me if I was concerned about my son taking lessons with him when I wasn't there. I laughed and laughed. First of all my son is free to be whatever orientation he chooses. I only care that he is happy. A gay trainer can't change my son into something he's not. He could only make my son comfortable enough to explore his own sexuality if my son isn't sure what he is. And I applaud that. If my son were gay and was in the kind of great relationship my uncle had, I would be a happy mother. I've always told both my sons to fall in love with whomever makes them happy no matter the sex, religion, race, etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                          My sentiments exactly TB Mare! Decent, happy kids is what I want, no matter their orientation. Good for you!

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