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  • #81
    It's not even just other countries/cultures.

    I'm from California, and when I moved back east I would repeatedly get asked:

    Do I surf? (uh, no, terrified of getting eaten by great white sharks--and if you think I'm joking my best friend's parent's best freind was a surfer and abalone diver and he'd been attacked 3 times)
    Could I see the ocean from my house? (No, that involved a car ride--not a long one, but a car ride, nonetheless).
    Did I ride western (because of course no English riders ride in the west)
    Do I know (insert the name of long lost relative who lives in LA, or barring that, the person's favorite movie star)? (Uh, I'm from NORTHERN California--I;ve only been to LA about 5 times in my entire life)
    Why wasn't I blonde?(It's not a rule about living there)
    Have I ever been in an earthquake? WHen I say yes, it's usually followed up by questions like--were you scared, how could you stand it, did the ground swallow up your house, etc.

    Anyway, my point is, I think it's human nature to believe the stereotype. It is very annoying, but I think it also just IS.

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    • #82
      Oh, I agree 100% with you Heather. Very annoying human nature. Many times people ask me where I'm from, I tell them, and they respond by saying that I don't look like I'm from Argentina [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] I'm sorry, I didn't know we were all a bunch of clones that had to look exactly like one another.
      Other friends and family members who have a bit more of an accent then I do get rude comments when they mispronounce a word. My grandparents got so tired of people treating them like they were ignorant when they mispronounced a word that they pretty much gave up trying to learn English. It's not easy for a 60-year old to learn a completely different language. They tried very hard for about 10 years, took many classes, etc. My parents have strong accents too, but they speak fluently. At a grocery store with my mom one day, she asked one of the employees where to find batteries. She has some difficulty pronouncing batteries, and he made fun of her. I was afew steps away from them, saw my mom get upset (she looked like she was going to cry) and went up to the guy, gave him a few choice words, even got very bitchy and said that someone who has a minimum-wage job has no right to make fun of someone with a Master's degree that speaks 3 languages. My dad will simply look at whoever is making the offensive remark with his patented "What's your problem?" look (believe me, you don't want to be on the receiving end of that look) and simply say "Oh, I mispronounced a word? And how many languages do YOU speak?" Not a single person who says these sort of comments speaks another language.

      I was at the mall with my mom one day, we were speaking spanish because it is an easier, more comfortable language for us. A very rude woman approached me, tapped me on the shoulder, and said loudly "Welcome to America, learn the language" I replied even more loudly "America consists of a couple of different continents with many different countries and languages, it's quite arrogant of you to think the United States IS America. Now mind your own business and go **** yourself". People around me started clapping. That happened in south Florida, as you can imagine there were many people from other countries there.
      Just because I have a short attention span doesn\'t mean I

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      • #83
        ..."NO" in English and "NO" in Spanish are the same. If they try to hug you, and you put your hands up and say "No," that should be enough. If it's not, you can press charges against them for harrassment. And move your horse to a new barn (which I suggest doing anyway).

        The "language barrier" is BS. Even though you can't tell them EXACTLY what you want to tell them, you can still CLEARLY convey your message through body language and the few words of Spanish you know, and the English they know. You don't have to be an ogre. Just set some boundaries. You don't have to speak Spanish to do that.

        Good luck!

        ~Sara
        *Charter member of the GM Fan Club*
        *Member of the Dirt Divers 78th Airborne Unit, ATH Squadron*

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        • #84
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gambit:


          BTW, MOESHA is male????? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] I'd always ASSumed you were female! Loff your songs! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          I remember the exact moment when that fact hit me between the eyes [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

          __________________________
          A little nonsense now and then, is relished by the wisest men...
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          • #85
            [QUOTE]Originally posted by maggymay:
            Karina I'm from Ireland.

            Of course plenty of Americans have the most insane ideas about what Ireland is like too. I blame Hollywood for that one.

            QUOTE]

            You mean it's not like "Father Ted"? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
            Please don't try to be a voice of reason. It's way more fun to spin things out of control. #BecauseCOTH - showhorsegallery

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            • #86
              I live in "The Other Washington", you know, the one on the left coast. While riding up the ski lift in Colorado, I've been asked if the Space Needle is the only tall building in Seattle (its getting hard to get a good photo without buildings towering over it), if the Indians are dangerous and attack people, and if we have indoor plumbing. I point out that the Boeing airplane they flew in on was in large part designed/made in Seattle, the K2 skis on the feet (this was a few yrs ago) were made outside Seattle, and Starbucks Coffee is a local company - of course we have toilets - we've got to go all the time because of the Latte grandes. And hello, heard of Microsoft?
              I'm sure I have plenty of sterotypes about places I've never been. Hopefully I'll get to go to most of those places and learn the reality. (I know there HAVE to be normal people in Lousiana - but the one guy I dated WAS the stereotype.

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              • #87
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karina:

                how many U.S. citizens would be willing to do the jobs that are currently done by illegal aliens?

                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Big fat ZERO. 2 reasons: Corporate America is so hell bent on maximizing profits, they squeeze and squeeze and squeeze the bottom layer of the corporation, meaning the minimum wage workers, or the bottom rung of the company. See the recent published article of Walmart having employees work unpaid overtime. When is the last time you saw a headline reading "CEO of Biggiantcompany gives up multimillion dollar bonus to keep from laying off X thousand employees"? NO, you see "Biggiantcompany laying off X thousand workers due to the bottom line." [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]It doesn't exactly make you want to work your fingers to the bone when you know you are just a number, an expendable number.

                Also, permissive parenting. Child says, "I want." child gets. No 16 year old deserves a loaded Honda Accord. Sheesh, my old man was a doctor and made us 4 kids share a mile long $1,000 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme and we had to put all the gas in it and pitch in for repairs!

                OK, 3rd reasons - the welfare system sucks.
                Man plans. God laughs.

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                • #88
                  Flash 44, I'd like to take issue with your third reason. I doubt that there is a single person on this board who has had to get by on what the standard welfare check is. Please don't start fanning the flames of anti-poor bigotry by making these kinds of careless remarks.

                  Part of the reason why illegal migrants will do the the worst paying jobs is precisely because they are illegal. Which is to say they cannot organize or bring attention to themselves by demanding higher pay because they are in a tenuous position. They could be deported, they could simply be fired and replaced because they have no legal rights in this country. Thus, employers actually benefit from their employees' illegal status because it means that they do not have to pay minimum wage.

                  A second reason is that most (not all) migrants send a hefty portion of their paychecks back to family in their home country and live as single people in this country. American money usually goes farther in their home country than it does here, so that their families benefit substantially even though in this country the worker is earning less than minimum wage.
                  "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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                  • #89
                    I have to disagree with one of your statements, PostingTrot. Many illegal immigrants will take on any job because the only thing they care about is actually having a job. Many restaurants have illegal immigrants as dishwashers because not a single US citizen will apply for that position. I've hired many people who I suspected were not here legally (they had a SS card or a greencard, but I don't know if it was valid) and every single one that came up to me asked me if I had any job openings. They didn't specify what job they wanted. We paid dishwashers $8 an hour, and I have even apologized to some people for not having anything better for non-english speaking people. One of my dishwashers was a doctor in Colombia, the other was a lawyer in Ecuador. Neither were making a living there, and both were extremely grateful for ANY work. I signed them up for English classes and once they had some knowledge I put them to work as busboys because then they would average $10 an hour. Once trained as busboys I started training them as waiters, bartenders, or cooks so they could make even more money. Every little promotion they got, they were extremely grateful. Whenever we needed some extra help doing unpleasant tasks, they were always the first to sign up, they even came in early many times and started doing things, I'd tell them to sit down and have a cup of coffee because I had limited labor hours and couldn't pay them more then their scheduled hours, but they told me to not worry about it and kept on finding little things to do.
                    After we decided to sell the restaurant, I helped everyone find a new job. Their new employer called me a few weeks afterwards and said those were by far his best employees.
                    Just because I have a short attention span doesn\'t mean I

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                    • #90
                      Karina--

                      I never meant to imply that everyone who hired migrants, legal or not (and it sounds like you weren't sure which category your employees fell into) was an unscrupulous person. It sounds as though you were an extremely fair employer who tried to help out your employees. As you know, however, not everyone is that fair.

                      My main point was that there are reasons why American-born workers might turn down a particular job that migrants, particularly those without papers who have left their families in their home countries, would take. An American dollar sent to Honduras or to Nigeria buys more (in terms of daily living expenses) than a dollar in this country. A poor American family with one wage-earner and 1 or 2 kids may not be able to survive at $8/hour (which is $320 per week, $1280 per month, $15,360 per year). A single person (or someone living as a single person), however, who is sharing living expenses with one or more others who are also earning, may, if s/he lives frugally, be able to live on that and save a bit to send back to relatives.
                      "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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                      • #91
                        a swift pitchfork in the A$$ is a pretty universal sentiment... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

                        Hate makes you bitter. Love makes you lazy. Somewhere in between, you can survive.
                        Driven insane in the carpool lane...

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                        • #92
                          PostingtTrot, now I understand what you meant. Yes, a few dollars can't feed four people here, but in many Central and South American countries five dollars can feed a family of four quite well

                          I highly doubt any of my employees were here legally. I never asked, they never told. Every one of them appreciated the opportunity, but many times Americans don't appreciate it. I had a few Americans that had never waited on a table before apply for jobs as waiters or bartenders. I'd tell them I'd hire them as busboys, after two weeks train them as foodrunners (more$) and after a month I'd train them as waiters, six months after that as bartenders. Sadly, many of the Americans chose to remain unemployed (and collecting unemployment) then to start as busboys. However, the immigrants just wanted a chance.

                          I quit a management job a few months ago. The owner purposely hired illegal immigrants as dishwashers, cooks, etc. When his accountant came in to do payroll, the owner would sit there and say, "Ok, Armando worked 56 hours. Pay him 38 hours. Carlos worked 61 hours, pay him 45, no overtime" I didn't know about this until the employees came up to me and told me they were being underpaid. I went up to Nick, with them following me, and told him of their concerns. His reply was one of the most sickening things I ever heard in my life. He smiled smugly and said "Oh, well, tell them to complain to the labor board". I quit on the spot.
                          Just because I have a short attention span doesn\'t mean I

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                          • #93
                            When I was shipped off to school in England for a year, I had the same feelings that people had many preconceived ideas about Americans.

                            Gambit: Cultural relativism and political correctness aside, in your situation you are at the least being deprived of the enjoyment and satisfaction of pursuing your recreation and calling, for which you pay dearly (as do we all, who have horses). Possibly worse, you may feel threatened and endangered. I certainly would.

                            I'd skip the skits and posturing (wearing a ring or inventing a boyfriend/husband) because you shouldn't have to do that. It beats around the bush and doesn't clearly get your point across. I'd meet it head on, by finding someone who is fluent in the language to explain to these men that what they are doing is making you unhappy and uncomfortable and is not acceptable in the barn, or anywhere else, for that matter. It could save them from future problems. If that doesn't work, you know that you have clearly stated your feelings and wishes, and you can take it from there. But this way at least gives them a chance. (I used to teach English as a second language; you might be able to find someone like that to help you).

                            By the way, on the subject of exploitation of workers, that happens to a lot of Americans also, but that is a political discussion that is OT here.

                            Valentine

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                            • #94
                              I'm sorry, I know this probably isn't too funny for you, but the ringworm thing from Flash just killed me.

                              Seeing as I work around the track, which is 98% latin men, I'm used to them.

                              For the most part, they flirt harmlessly, jockeys especially. You know, asking you to dinner and what not, no big deal.

                              There have been a few, however, who I've whacked or knocked down. A couple of which I am still friends with, they just know their boundaries now.

                              I DID have a problem with one groom in particular, this guy was freaky. He followed me around the grandstands and backstretch and just completely gave me the creeps. Finally one day I just turned around and yelled, "STOP following me, NOW!!". I haven't had a problem with him since, besides a couple of stares. *cringe*

                              I think you guys are looking too much into the "blonde hair blue eyes" thing. Seems to me most latin guys like American women in general, no matter what the hair or eye color.

                              I think in your situation (because these guys sound like maybe they are pushing it a bit more than you are used to?), the best thing to do would to be to tell them you are not interested. If it doesn't stop, don't threaten them with your husband or boyfriend, threaten with your brothers and family. Or in my case, the over-protective mother, who, according to latin jockey lore, has single handedly thrown three jockeys across a barn at once and even hog tied a couple and thrown them onto the barn roof. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

                              They will probably take an over-protective brother or father much seriously. Honestly, one of my best friends is Mexican and he's told me JUST how protective latin men are over the women in their family...for the most part.

                              I gotta say though, that really isn't that normal for latin guys, and it isn't fair for you all to presume that all latin men are like that. Italians are similar to latinos, very much into their women. However, if they are making you uncomfortable, they'll back off. I've had many more problems with American men being too forceful, but I'm not going to say all Americans are like that, or it's "the mentality".

                              I know I am going to get some not-so-happy responses to what I am about to say, and I am CERTAINLY not referring to our friend who made the original post (because those guys just sound like three gross men, Mexican or whatever, there's no excuse), but many women are naive and over-sensitive to what foreign men may say or do to them.

                              For instance: A latin guy expresses some interest in a younger girl...not a CHILD mind you, late teens, early twenties, when he's in his early-mid 30's. I have known quite a few women who find this attrocious and unnacceptable, whereas women used to being around latin guys laugh it off and simply say, "Sorry, not interested".

                              All too often, American women look at Latin men as piggish womanizers, who have no respect for anything female. That's not true. I am going to flat out say I dislike most American men and have had more fun being friends with my latin co-workers. Once I have showed I am not interested in dating, they have become my best friends, unlike the Americans, who usually don't want to have anything to do with me if I say "No".

                              So anyway, I know I am rambling but this is a problem I have run into with many of my American women friends. Don't stereotype someone just because of where they are from, and lighten up a little.

                              *J*

                              "Is that YOUR funky tune?"-Raymond T.

                              [This message was edited by The Fjord Jockey on Dec. 22, 2002 at 02:59 PM.]
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                              • #95
                                FjordJockey -

                                I agree with you. I think the uncomfortable situation has more to do with a group of men mentality than any ethnic mentality. Just cause in this particularly story the men are dirty, pervs and Mexican doesn't mean it couldn't have as easily been three dirty, perv, white construction workers (or in my experience perv business executives!! yuck)

                                I think any of us ladies could find ourselves in the same situation, in fact I myself have run accross this same problem with white males. When men are in a group they tend to have a "herd" mentality, regardless of whether they are Latin, American, French whatever. THAT to me is what makes a situation scary, that there are more of them than you!

                                Unfortunately I have also encountered many white American men who are dirty and smelly!! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

                                Honestly if your barn owner/manager is just as big of a perv as the workers seem to be you may need to find a new place to ride. It doesn't sound like it is any fun to deal with the people who run your establishment, and that in turn would make it (to me anyway) no fun to ride there! I hope that you can find a compromise and a solution but if not I would seriously consider a new barn.

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                                • #96
                                  I just read a review in the New York Times Book Section of a book called "The Boom Boom Room" about how American men treated the women who worked in their companies on Wall Street. Pretty awful.

                                  Gambit, when that old geezer (who is American, I presume) looks at you and makes you uncomfortable, just stand tall and tell him that you don't like the way he is looking at you and that you want him to stop doing it.

                                  I, too, know men from many countries, including the US, who are wonderful. Sometimes, you just have to stand up for yourself.

                                  OK, I'll shut up now.

                                  Valentine

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                                    #97
                                    funny you should mention that book...I spent twenty years on Wall Street (actually for firms in Atlanta, but same actions, diff city)! So you can imagine I am no shrinking violet, not one to mince words, etc...hell, I had to stand up to the "men" and make my way in spite of them...so to say these guys at the barn bother me, they must be creepy! More creepy than a stockbroker? Say it ain't so! (OK, no longer a stockbroker...now I'm a financial planner...no cut-throat here!)
                                    clemnson: ya hit it right on the head: HERD mentality! I can handle one, but not three!
                                    postingtrot: These particular guys make $450 per week...we have 15 horses at our barn...is this decent pay or low in the horse world?
                                    My horse bucked off your honor student!

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                                    • #98
                                      You know, the freakiest thing, one day someone in England said "My aunt lives in Anaheim, her name is XXXXXXXX" and I knew the lady.

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                                      • #99
                                        For those who are foriegn and get offended when an american says something ignorant, like assuming all central/south americans eat tacos....

                                        This is not racist or bigoted. This is nothing more than naivete or ignorance. These people are actually trying to have something in common with you when they say "I know someone in Europe!" An effort to find a common ground between two strangers or acquaintances is good manners and sincereity.

                                        Why take offense? Why not use it as an opportunity to educate if it irritates you? Most people in the world don't have the chance or inclination or ambition to leave their country or county of origin. They simply don't *know* that there is a bigger world out there beyond their experience and what TV shows us. You actually have an advantage over most of us.

                                        I talk to people overseas all the time and they say "wow, I know someone in California!" well I live in Chicago.... but I couldn't imagine letting it bother me. They say "you americans are so ____" and if its wrong, I laugh and wonder how such rumors spread!

                                        Racism is discrimination - treating someone of a different race or ethnicity as if they are unequal based *on being different*. Not based on personal behavior. It is evil.

                                        This is a big world, and just like Americans don't understand the diversity of south american countries, foreigner's to this country often don't understand our lifestyle/customs either.

                                        Why is it when they come here (from wherever), and for instance, are overly flirtatious with women because it's their custom, we are supposed to pardon that. "Oh, it's ok, he doesn't mean to make you feel uncomfortable.... it's just the way it is where he comes from!" But when an American says something ignorant like "can you make me a taco, you're from columbia" it's racist.

                                        I'm not picking on Karina - I just used your examples because they came to mind. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] We have become so Politically Correct and sensitive that labeling someone as being from a certain country almost instantly points out a racist...

                                        I feel strongly that if our differences were embraced, emphasized and shared, we would be closer as a world. Instead of making assumptions that everyone should just "get it" about every other culture, lets educate eachother and accept that we *are* different!

                                        There is nothing wrong with being different. There is nothing wrong with misunderstanding or needing help to understand. There is a difference between being hateful and bigoted, and accepting that we have unique experiences, backgrounds and cultures.

                                        martha
                                        Proud member of the * Hoof Fetish & the NervousNellieWorryWart* cliques!

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                                        • Gambit--

                                          My post on pay and the often substandard treatment of immigrant workers may not have had a lot to do with your original post. It was a response to another post.

                                          I don't think that being paid a low wage gives anyone the right to make a woman uncomfortable or to feel threatened (see my first post back on page one or two). I was just trying to make a point about why some jobs seem to be filled most often with immigrant workers rather than with U.S.-born ones.

                                          I don't know if $450 a week is a good wage or not. It depends on cost of living, etc. in your area. It also depends on how many hours they're working per week, and what other benefits (medical, life, etc.) they might be receiving.
                                          "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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