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  • Does he remember me?

    I guess this is sort of a spinoff of the "Do your horses act different when you change your appearance?" thread. Long story short: I had an extremely close relationship with the horse I sold two years ago, and sometimes the new owner has me exercise him when I'm home on school breaks (think once or twice a year though- infrequently!). After I sold him I bought another gelding, who I got to know for a couple of months before I left for school. My current horse is now being leased by another girl when I'm away at school, and I'm a little worried about what my relationship with him will be like when I come home for the summer (not to mention the humiliation of having to learn how to ride him again).

    So I guess my question is:

    How long do horses remember? Does Liam (my old horse) know who I am when I come to visit, and do you think he remembers the 'good times' so to speak? Can Jack (my current horse) tell me apart from the other girl (who I'm sure he now thinks of as 'mommy')? Do you think he knows that I'm his real mom?

    Sorry these are kind of silly, and I know they can't really be answered, but I'd love your opinions! I always wondered how much they could recognise me, and how much of the delighted response was because of the treat they knew was in my pocket.
    The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears. ~ Arabian Proverb

  • #2
    I don't know the answer. But last July I stopped in at a farm I'd worked at 9 years ago. As I was walking into the pasture to say hello to some that were still there, the herd was quite spread out. I saw a mare I often showed grazing in the far corner. When I yelled her name, her head popped up, she gave me a good whinny and came running at full speed.

    Likely she thought someone with carrots had come to visit, but I like to think she remembered me. I'm just sappy that way. I adored that mare.
    "Aye God, Woodrow..."

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    • #3
      This is a pretty interesting article about horses' memory. They taught the horses something, then after ten years asked them to do it again, and they remembered.

      http://www.thehorse.com/viewarticle.aspx?id=13642

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      • #4
        I remember reading somewhere that horses have incredibly good memories. They may not be the most intelligent of mammals, but their memories are among the best.

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        • #5
          I think horses have incredible memories. I had free-leased my mare that I had owned for 7 years to a lovely family that took good care of her for 9 years. I didn't see her at all in those 9 years, other than the Christmas photos (that always made me cry).

          When I went to pick her up, I'm confident that she knew me. It was because her interaction with me was the same as it had always been. I brought her back to a farm she had never been to, and she was catiously curious, but I could tell she was "on guard". I brought her to my gelding's stall, (they had been on the same farm together 9 years before), and as they sniffed each other through the bars, I watched her visibly relax, and her whole attitude changed. Almost as if they recognized each other, had a little chat, and she realized this was a good place to be.
          There are friends and faces that may be forgotten, but there are horses that never will be. - Andy Adams

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          • #6
            I definitely think they remember. This something I feel strongly about. Sorry but my response is long.
            story a)
            I rode a pony a lot as a child. I was pretty much the only person who lessoned on her consistently. She was pretty much mine for 2-3 years. I wanted to buy her but it wasn't meant to be. My parents divorce at that time was very bitter and vicious, lessons became rare treats. Mare was leased out then purchased by a young man and his mother. 2 years later I came back to farm to resume lessons and say hi. Trainer was heart broken to tell me about sale and pony's downward spiral. Most of the staff thought she was crazy. I went out in the field, with permission. She started to charge me. I called out her name followed by the same kiss kiss I had always done. She stopped on a dime and buried her face in my chest. Followed me around sans halter just loving on me and me on her. Staff comes screaming out of barn. "shes crazy get out of there" Before trainer could stop them they climb fence ready to drag me to "safety" mare charges them. Comes back to me for more loving.

            story b)
            After nearly two years of us being inseparable my horsey soul mate was sold on. I had left the barn he was at but visited him weekly. He went away for a few months then came back very relieved to be "home" Was thrilled to see me. He definitely still views me as mom, looks to me when things get scary. Visibly reacts when the head groom informs him that if he doesn't shape up A. won't be coming to visit. Stops dead in his tracks if groom says quit it or I'll call mom. Even though I haven't ridden him in almost a year and visit at most twice a month, he knows who I am and that I "belong" to him. He sighs and relaxes when on the rare occasion I can afford to swing a ride on him.

            story c)
            Then there was the cranky old pony that pretended to hate me. I lived on a farm for about 9 months then moved back to home. Rode pony almost everyday. When I visited almost a year later, I went out to visit him. I called him by my special nick name, he looked up startled. Nickered, came running up to the fence, looked me up and down saw no treats gave me his signature nasty look. Checked to make sure none of his friends saw gave me a horse kiss took off and never looked back.
            Proud owner of a member of the Formerly Limping And Still Majestic Equine Society

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            • #7
              Many years ago I had a large fat red pony named Copper boarded at my farm. He was such a dreadful snot(as was his owner). He was IMPOSSIBLE to catch in the field! He was a menace to load! He was sold when his owner decided she needed something younger and fancier. He was passed about and changed names several times - i lost track of him.

              5 years after I last heard about him I got a call from someone asking if I wanted a large pony that was left by one of their boarders. There was something about the pony's description that jingled a little bell but I did not put it all together until I saw him. I hooked up and drove the 45 miles to see the pony and perhaps take him home.

              As I walked back to the paddocks I saw a painfully thin dull coated yet familiar looking pony. The BM was telling me all about their policies of not feeding animals who owners had not paid their board - for MONTHS! The pony was trying to scrounge something off the dry lot to eat - so sad!

              As I approached I said "Copper!" quite loudly. The BM said his name is "Dickie" and always has been. But I knew who it was. "Copper" I said again softer this time. The sad little guy lifted his head a turned to face me. I swear he then smiled ear to ear and trotted to the fence softly nickering the whole way. It was COPPER! The little ba$terd! He was so happy to see me! He KNEW who I was and He KNEW I was taking him home.

              I haltered him up and took him toward the trailer. The BM was struck dumb! She kept saying "no one can catch him...or load him...." I just had to get him out of there a$$ holes not feeding him because his board wasn't paid it pissed me off! Copper not Dickie - loaded right up. He lived 11 more happy happy years and was never hard to catch or load.

              Yes, horses remember. They certainly do!
              "If you don't know where you are going, any road will take you there"

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              • #8
                They remember everything, more's the pity.

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                • #9
                  They remember:

                  I had a horse I rescued and he was only a few weeks from dying...unfortunately, he wasn't what I wanted and knew that from the start. He needed a person. Ultimately I found him what I thought was a happy home. I went to see him a year later. His stall had a double screen on it and one of the boarders said he was nuts and would attack people. I opened his door, his ears went back and he gave a low scary sort of squeel...I called his name, his eyes opened up and his head was under my arm while he "whuffled". He was coming home with me no matter what, I didn't save him to have my guy tortured. I had to sell my young jumper to pay for him (jerk said, "Well, he's a nicely bred TB and has more training than when you sold him to me"). I kept him for another 20 years.

                  I sold a horse to some friends who left the area for 10 years...I was at a horse show and a loose horse was running around scared out of his little mind. It was my old guy. I yelled his old name, he stopped, head went straight up and he came running...head against my chest with a whuffling. I bought him back from the new owners too. He had bad navicular and didn't belong being ridden (I gave my ex-friends hell for selling him, he was supposed to come back to me). He was retired with my rescue TB till it was time for him to go.

                  Yep, they remember, and sometimes, as slc2 said, "Mores the pity".
                  "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                  • #10
                    I definitely think horses remember people who are particularly kind/unkind to them. I only wonder if they possibly "mistake" one person for another that are very similar, much in the same way we might mistake 2 horses that look the same. Siblings would be a good test of that.

                    But don't we ALL know a horse that reacts to "nothing" from a memory?
                    I drove my pony up and down my street often, teaching her "road rules". One of our first times out we flushed a pheasant who was standing by the roadside and it spooked the pony (and me!)

                    Every single time we drove on the street, pony would snort, look to the spot and side step at the exact place the pheasant was. For years. With nothing ever there.

                    Even though pony is now gone and I've moved out of town, whenever I drive a car past that spot I think to myself, "That's the spooky pheasant spot!"

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                    • #11
                      They never forget.

                      I had a gelding I sold and about a year after he left I had the opportunity to go where he was being kept for a trail ride on a mare I owned. The mare had been his companion for about 5 years before I sold him. When they were together they stayed out of each others way and acted like they hated each other, so imagine my surprise when I approached his paddock with mare in hand and called his name. At the same time my mare nickered the saddest yet happiest whinny I had ever heard her make. His greeting to both of us made me cry.

                      I'm still sorry I didn't try to bring him home that day.

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                      • #12
                        They remember.
                        The last horse I sold remembered me after 9 years. I tracked him down at a breed auction to make sure he was going to a good home. When I went into his stall he put his head against my chest.

                        We also had a QH mare who's best friend at the previous owner's had been a black mare. For all the years we had her, whenever she saw a black horse, she would call to it.

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                        • #13
                          I visited a horse I'd sold 2 years earlier. I hadn't seen him in that time, but when I'd had him (for 7 years), he'd been my "horse of a lifetime" going from a barely broke 3' hunter to my big GP and Jr Jumper horse.

                          The lady who owned him was trotting him around the ring in a lesson when I walked up to the wall. The horse gave me a good look the first time by (the lady didn't see me), and the next time around he slammed on the breaks, grabbed the bit in his teeth, and pulled over the the rail to stick his nose in my face. I started bawling.....it was so obvious that he knew exactly who I was.

                          He proved with several other quirky things he'd only ever done with me that he clearly remembered.

                          I've had others that wouldn't, but that one sure did...
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                          • #14
                            Of course they remember.

                            I was on a trail ride one year, and one of the women had a black Arabian she was riding. His name was Fury.

                            I remembered Fury, because he'd been boarded at the same barn with Conny. Fury left as a 5 y/o, having been sold to another person, and it had been at least 10 years.

                            Fury made a beeline for Conny, and was whickering and whuffling to him excitedly. Conny gave Fury a long, musing look, and then stuck out his nose to him.

                            Horses aren't goldfish; they don't have a 3 second memory!
                            Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                            • #15
                              Yes horses remember- I know they remember people, other horses and even places. The remember the good and the bad. This is kind of long.

                              We had a filly we sold as a yearling, we heard she been sold on to a show home, and last we had heard she had ended up in Tennessee. About ten years later, we were at a cattle sales barn in Baton Rouge where they also held a horse auction after the cattle sale. While we were walking and looking at young heifers in the pens, one of the horses all the way across the barn from where the cows were started hollering and carrying on.

                              We usually didn't go over to where the horses are kept because it was almost always so sad-- most of those horses were going end up with "meat men" or horse "traders." Most were neglected, lame or scared up.

                              But that horse just kept hollering, and then some of the barn workers started to bang on the pen and prod her with hot shots. My husband just could not stand it, so he went over to try to stop them -- You guessed it -- it was the filly we has sold so many years ago. She charged right up to him and put her head on his shoulder. She had scarring on both of her front pasterns -- no hair at all in an inch-wide strip-- from the chains the big lick people use, and she was favoring one front leg. She wasn't in the best of flesh either.

                              We knew it was her for sure because she had small crescent shaped scar under her forelock from when she had run into a fence post while playing in the weanling pasture at our farm. She was consigned by a "trader" who was selling her as one of a lot of three horses -- all pitiful things. How she had gotten back down here in Louisiana and ended up without her papers and in a "kill" auction we never did find out. Her last owner of record would not return our calls or the letter we sent.

                              We had to buy all three to get her - we paid about $100. After the sale, when we went back to load her, she started hollering the minute she saw us like she was begging us not to leave her there. Once my husband put a halter on her, she quieted righ down like she had figured out we were taking her. As we led the three to our trailer, she kept nickering to the other two almost like she was trying to tell them everything would be good now.

                              When we slowed down at the entrance of our place, she started whinnying and hollering again. As we pulled past some of the pastures where her dam and other mares were, her dam started whinnying back and running along the fence.

                              We unloaded them in the large pasture that we had used as the weaning pasture because we wanted to keep them separate until the vet could see them, and in the fall, it is empty. She unloaded so fast she dragged my husband out of the trailer, and went right in the gate. When she was let loose, she led the other two over the hill right to the pond and loafing shed where we kept free-choice hay.

                              About eight years ago, I bought a Peruvian Paso mare who was in foal. One day, when the foal was a yearling, he decided to give the farrier a hard time--this same man had been trimming him since he was born. At that time I had to board these horses at a barn. The farrier arrived early and had started trying to work on the colt before my son or I got there.

                              He had trimmed the colt's front hooves, but had apparently had difficulty. His helper was holding the colt's halter and the farrier was hitting him with his rasp on the rump and cursing when my son arrived at the barn.

                              They had just tried to flip him and throw him down, when my son got to the stall. He told them to stop and let the colt up. The farrier said he wasn't finished, and had the two back feet to do. My son said he was finished, and paid him for the full trim.

                              Needless to say, we got a new farrier who could be trusted to be patient -- even if we were not present. But the old farrier had many clients at that barn. Everytime he came into that barn, this colt would run to the back of his stall, pin his ears back, click his teeth and point his rump at the stall door.

                              Then we moved him up here to our place, and he didn't see the old farrier at all. For nearly seven years he didn't see this guy. Then last spring, who should arrive with to mobile vet we were using but the old farrier who was now his vet helper.

                              That colt, now a gelding almost seven, took one look, let out a big snort and ran as fast as he could to the far corner of the pasture-- and stayed there until the farrier got in the vet's stuck and drove it off the property. Then we were able to handle the gelding and give him his vaccinations without any trouble. When we were through, the vet called for the truck. Sure enough, when the farrier returned, the gelding took off to the far corner.

                              The vet even told the farrier, "Whatever you did to that horse, you made yourself an enemy for life."

                              So, yes I would say horses remember.

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                              • #16
                                I had a horse for a few years that I eventually sold to my working student. She still has him. Whenever I see him, particularly if she is riding him, he MUST come over and say hi. He is really quite gooey about it, includes getting spit all over me. We think it is really funny, he never ever has forgotten.

                                I actually bought him from Mapleshade.. I rode him one time and spent two days around him when I bought him. He was then shipped to me. When he got off the trailer, he definately knew who I was and was happy to see me.
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