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Not about hypocrisy,fox hunting and a 'town' in the USA. but about fitting in when you may or may not and racoons.

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  • Not about hypocrisy,fox hunting and a 'town' in the USA. but about fitting in when you may or may not and racoons.

    Here's something I heard. I have no idea of the name of the person involved and I the information I relate many not be true but it's pretty common knowledge around town......I guess it's in a book but I've never seen it....

    "Someone" moved to this area a few years ago. They had bought a large farm in a fox hunting area. The new owner sent a letter out stating that hunting would no longer be allowed on the farm they had bought. I've been told that this person was quite vocal in their dislike of hunting.

    [Great place to move to if you hate fox hunting! Kind of like hating skiing and moving to Aspen]

    Any hoo..Now this same person has opened a resturant in the area. Guess what? They donated money to a hunt staff Christmas bonus last year.

    Why if you hate hunting would you do such a thing? The only reason most people can come up with is they are trying to MAKE MONEY. Having the hunting community hate you and your new restaurant is no exactly a great idea in a small area.

    It would seem that that fox hunting should be banned but until then pleasc come eat/drink at my pub.

    Of course I could be wrong. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

    **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
    -- Kit Carson**

    *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!*

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 25, 2002 at 03:20 PM.]

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 26, 2002 at 07:32 PM.]

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 30, 2002 at 08:12 AM.]
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    #2
    Here's something I heard. I have no idea of the name of the person involved and I the information I relate many not be true but it's pretty common knowledge around town......I guess it's in a book but I've never seen it....

    "Someone" moved to this area a few years ago. They had bought a large farm in a fox hunting area. The new owner sent a letter out stating that hunting would no longer be allowed on the farm they had bought. I've been told that this person was quite vocal in their dislike of hunting.

    [Great place to move to if you hate fox hunting! Kind of like hating skiing and moving to Aspen]

    Any hoo..Now this same person has opened a resturant in the area. Guess what? They donated money to a hunt staff Christmas bonus last year.

    Why if you hate hunting would you do such a thing? The only reason most people can come up with is they are trying to MAKE MONEY. Having the hunting community hate you and your new restaurant is no exactly a great idea in a small area.

    It would seem that that fox hunting should be banned but until then pleasc come eat/drink at my pub.

    Of course I could be wrong. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

    **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
    -- Kit Carson**

    *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!*

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 25, 2002 at 03:20 PM.]

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 26, 2002 at 07:32 PM.]

    [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 30, 2002 at 08:12 AM.]

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    • #3
      I really don't think its hypocrisy. I think it's bridge building. That restaurant was supposed to be vegetarian too when it first opened, and she got over that pretty quickly. Her farm has diversified into organic meat too, in addition to vegetables.

      She certainly got off on the wrong foot when she first moved here - but you know I just don't think she had any experience living in a small town. I could name a few folks that moved to that area in the sixties that had the same problems. It's cultural.
      "No matter how cynical I get its just not enough to keep up." Lily Tomlin

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        #4
        Didn't seem like any bridges were being built till the resturant open....... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

        Just a story I heard...didn't mention a town or resturant by name......

        In VT we call em "life style" buyers. They want the "lfestyle" of the country but not what comes with it, guns, hunting, smelly farms, snowmobiles, dirt bikes, barking dogs, limited services, etc. etc.

        Soon as they get here they set out to "fix" [ban] the stuff they don't like. It's like me moving to NYC and trying to get impose my ideas on them. I. E. lets hunt in central park.


        Exzample...Some people bought a lot near a long time gun club. They NEW it was there but they bought the lot anyway. Guess what? they didn't like the noise and thought they were in danger. They pissed and moaned so much with all the other "lifestyle" people in the area they got the club closed down.

        Many people don't have a problem with things like that till someone wants to stop YOU from doing something because THEY don't like it.

        How many people on the COTH BB have a "problem" with someone that lives near their farm of where they stable their horses?

        Many "lifestyle" buyers love horses till they small manure!

        **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
        -- Kit Carson**

        *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!*

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        • #5
          We call them "wannabe's" They wannabe thought of as part of the ambience of the area, but they don't want to be involved in the true behind the scenes ambience...the reality of what it is all about.

          This falls along the same line of thought for people who want to live in an exclusive area...but the only housing available that they can afford in that "exclusive post code" is near the airport, which was there long before the area was determined to be "exclusive". So, these wannabe's get there little committees together to see what they can do about that incredibe nuissance...the airport. I am of the opinion that if you knew it was there, and you chose to move in, then you can just suck it up and deal with it.

          I know when I bought my farm I thought it was cool that my nearest neighbours were the cows across the dirt road. I'm not naive, and I know that having large quantities of healthy livestock across the road has some negative aspects. Even so, I will also admit that the first time the neighbour cleaned out the cow shed and spread the manure was....eyewatering. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img] It also coincided nicely with one of those unusual days when the winds were blowing towards our house instead of away, as normal. But, it would never occur to me to try to get those cows put elsewhere. They were there first, as was the farm owner.

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          • #6
            I agree that it is hard to live near those who wish to purchase a lifestyle. There were a lot of people who purchased summer homes near us when we lived in Maine. They would jet up for the weekends.

            I really don't see what an issue with someone banning fox hunting, or anything else for that matter. After all, it is *their* property. They purchased it and can stop anyone from coming on it that they like. I personally don't have a problem with fox hunters and wouldn't mind them coming through our property. If it were mud trucks though, that would be another story [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

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            • #7
              Is there a reason that you felt the need to post a thread for the sole purpose of a personal attack on someone that the majority of us don't know/don't care about? Or are you simply trying to contibute to Erin's nervous breakdown?

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                Gas on the fire..... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

                Palisades.......I edited my topic, less 'personal' now. And no I didn't do it as a personal attack. And much of what is posted here is on no interest to many people.........

                I never have said I posted to make people happy. I turning into a cranky old man that doesn't like BS. Maybe you ought not to open my topics anymore......But then again if someone is against fox hunting why are they donating to a hunt staff? To me is smacks of what I see as BS by many 'antihunters'. They are antihunt when it fits their lifestyle.........Don't kill cute animals........did you see my new dress boots?

                Nothing like wearing cow skin so you look pretty when you ride....

                Regards,

                A cranky [getting] old man

                **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
                -- Kit Carson**

                *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!* [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

                [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 25, 2002 at 03:32 PM.]

                [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 25, 2002 at 05:02 PM.]

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                • #9
                  Actually, Palisades, this information is contained in a book that a number of us on the BB have read. I must agree with Go-Dog-Go that it comes off as pretty hypocritical of those people.

                  Why move to foxhunting country if you are anti-foxhunting? Aren't there a lot of other places that you could move to where this wouldn't be an issue?

                  It's not really that big a step from the "lifestyle wannabes" to what Tony Blair and his political allies are trying to accomplish by banning foxhunting (and thus destroying much of the rural lifestyle) in the UK....

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                  • #10
                    There may have been a million reasons that these people moved to foxhunting country even if they don't like the sport. There may be a million reasons that they donated to a hunt. But why start a topic specifically aimed towards those people (personal attack), rather than one titled "Lifestyle Wannabes, how many have you encountered in the horse world?"

                    I'm sorry if I'm a tad touchy and took this topic the wrong way- I've been seeing a LOT of personal attacks lately, and I can't imagine how a topic such as this would be taken any other way. I really carefully read that first post before I made a reply- at no time does it attempt to spawn a broader discussion, only one aimed at bashing people in a particular situation.

                    And you're absolutely right, Go-dog-Go, I just won't open your topics anymore.

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                    • Original Poster

                      #11
                      Pal.....guess I just not smart enough to come up with the title you did.......sorry.......

                      **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
                      -- Kit Carson**

                      *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!*

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                      • #12
                        GDG, you certainly are sensitive about the hunting topic, eh? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]

                        I've had the pleasure of visiting the thinly-veiled farm in discussion. Very impressive humane and organic agricultural practices in play, and rare breeds of livestock being preserved. Local folks employed and some provided with housing. Purebred Shire horses being raised and competed.

                        Seems like you could do worse for neighbors....

                        And honestly, I don't think the farm owner will be financially affected in the slightest by the success or failure of the restaurant, so I doubt a profit motive is involved there.

                        Loss of land for foxhunting is a fact of life for all hunts. I *belong* to a hunt, but I think some foxhunters do a heck of a lot to deserve what they get from landowners (not all of them, of course!) Every time I read a copy of "Covertside" (just came the other day), I want to disassociate myself with foxhunters. That magazine just comes across as soooo pompous.

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                        • #13
                          with this lifestyle, the area, or the people involved and yet thought that this topic was interesting and relevant, especially given the controversy in the U.K. recently. It provided me with insight relevant to a part of horse country that I have not heretofor experienced and I don't feel that it begged an opinion. To me it was interesting.

                          There are MANY other topics however that I thought that people initiated when they were totally bored and had nothing else to do, but then I see other BB'rs replying and I realize that while these posts may be frivolous to me, they are enjoyed by many others.

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                          • #14
                            in this area? How does the Eventing population influence it? Please tell me more. Thank you.

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                              #15
                              Yes HeyYouNags I am. I'm watching a 'way of life' being destroyed here in VT buy the people who have moved here because they 'like VT so much'. Not ever newcomer is at fault but ACTIONS are far louder then words [or donations to a hunt].

                              **"The cowards won't start and the weak will die along the trail."
                              -- Kit Carson**

                              *Lord please save me from those trying to save me!*

                              [This message was edited by GO-dog-GO on Aug. 25, 2002 at 08:37 PM.]

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                              • #16
                                GDG has a good point. People move out to the countryside because they like the scenary. You know horses grazing on nice pastures, that sort of thing. Once they get here, they expect it to be just like suburbia but only prettier.

                                Here are real comments that people made after moving to the countryside in Northern VA:

                                1. It would be perfect if they just built some shopping malls.

                                2. I think they should relocate the deer to someplace else because they keep eating my flowers.

                                3. I think they should ban farmers from using manure on their fields because it smells and I can't sit out on my deck.

                                "I'd be more tactful, if I were wrong."

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                                • #17
                                  We get loads of that attitude on Mason's Neck. People move here because of the large amount of parkland and the beautiful scenery within an easy commute to DC.

                                  Then they want the deer removed because they are a nuisance. They want soccer fields in the meadows and the provision for a horseback trail removed from the multi use plan. Sheesh.

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                                  • #18
                                    I live in a tiny, tiny town (really a hamlet) in the Adirondacks. I admit it, I'm a newcomer who grew up in a somewhat suburban setting. I love the town and love my house in its setting, but some things just aren't right, and I suppose I see it because of my different perspective.

                                    For one, burn barrels are legal in my county. My neighbors have no problem with burning plastic containers all day long, and there's really nothing I can do to stop them. They've been doing it since the dawn of time, apparently, and no one is going to take away this "right." Meanwhile, I am choking and sputtering in my yard and have to close windows if the wind shifts. The sad part is that there is a transfer station for trash about 4 miles away -- and it's free.

                                    I won't even bore anyone with the details of how the end of my road is sometimes used as a dumping ground for unwanted appliances, trash, and construction debris.

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                                      #19
                                      1. Did you ever ask them if they'd not burn?

                                      2. Even in NY it's illegal to dump trash.

                                      3. Did you not know these things existed before you got your place?

                                      It's funny because it made me remember a very well off couple that have a big place near Stowe VT. It was a weekend home till he retired [SR partner in a 300+ law firm] they've been burning trash [illegal in VT] in a barrel ever since they built their place.

                                      Seems like us "country folks" don't have a monopoly of "the old ways".

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                                      -- Kit Carson**

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                                        I had been to the farm in question many times pre sale to new owner.
                                        So I have no idea what the farm is like now.
                                        I will say the property and stables were Absolutely Magnificent [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]
                                        My understanding was at that time they would only sell to someone who was sympathetic to the XXX Hunt, and would allow hunting on the grounds.
                                        Sad to have read in the book Dublin mentioned that did not happen.
                                        Afterall the farm was one of the top Ayrshire cattle farms in the State. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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