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    #41
    Originally posted by FairWeather View Post
    without having read page two, are you doing your due diligence? I'll agree with the poster who said being the seller is no fun either.

    Are you getting videos of the horses before you go? (are you shopping in the budget where videos are reasonable?)
    Are you watching other people ride, and explaining *VERY CANDIDLY* how you ride?
    Are you asking if the horse will vet and making your intentions of how thorough a vetting you expect it to pass? I find a lot of folks will be far more honest with issues if you tell them you'll be xraying XY&Z joints.

    We've gotten to the point where I want either proof of your riding ability (show records, videos, etc) or a trainer present who can ride a horse first. We've had SO MANY people overstate their abilities and sit on a green horse and nearly get injured that I'm no longer willing to chance it.

    Dont get discourage, just go into horse shopping the same way you would house shopping--it might take a while.

    I am absolutely working very closely with my trainer. I will not buy a horse without her input. I do not have any show records myself (well, not since the early '80s) because I do not have a horse to compete with and have only been re-riding since September. My trainer is very aware of my abilities, my strengths & weaknesses and has been very candid with all the sellers we've spoken with. I do not think expecting to compete BN is overly ambitious at all, I'm not telling people that I'm ready for Training, or even Novice for that matter. I certainly schooled competently all over Aiken at BN level a couple of weeks ago, and on horses I had never been on before. I may not be advanced, but I think I'm honest about what I can do. In all instances so far, someone has always ridden the horse before I've gotten on, and it's been suggested to me by the professionals I'm working with that it should always be this way (and frankly, I'm more comfortable with this). I feel like I am asking realistic questions and am honest about my ability, working with my trainer also helps to keep me honest and grounded.
    -Debbie / NH

    My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

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    • #42
      Originally posted by cranky View Post
      Yes, I suspect that I'm ultimately going to have to up my budget. The upside is, the longer this takes, the more budget I should end up having anyway, as it gives me more time to save! Especially now that I'm focused on this and less likely to be pissing my money away on stupid stuff. Originally I was thinking that this time next year would be when I would start looking. But finding my "Almost Dream Horse" in Aiken a few weeks ago really made me catch the bug and I'm motivated now. My trip also allowed me to become more friendly with some of the other women at the barn and having my own horse will allow me to participate in more stuff (in addition to competitions) with them, so that's also added some incentive.

      btw, I suspect that is the horse I was talking about!
      haha! That's what happened to me. In my case, I sold my horse very quickly, so that gave me a chunk of money, plus I saved money by not having to pay March board, winter shoes, and shots. And a nice tax refund also helped. I cut back on lessons, and basically saved away. I think you are looking for what I was looking for. Honestly, I started with a budget of $10K, but in the end upped it to $15K (which means looking at horses up to $17 or 18K if the seller is negotiable). When I spoke with sellers, I asked very specific questions--is the horse forgiving? (this I think is one of the most important things.) How does the horse like to be ridden? Does he need some leg? Or not like leg on him? Will he flip out if you touch his mouth? You also learn to read between the lines. I was coming off a lazy draft cross, so I was used to using lots of leg and riding with some contact. I immediately eliminated a horse if they said something like "needs a sensitive ride," or said that the horse is fussy with their mouth. There is a 14 y/o horse in MA that might interest you--he's $13K I believe and has done novice and training.
      I didn't look at anything near me, because there wasn't anything! I ended up going to VA and MD one weekend to look at 6 horses, and then spent another weekend in NC to look at 6 more. I went either with a friend or husband, and then showed the videos to my trainer.
      Good luck! Don't get discouraged. One thing that will make it easier (which I learned from a friend going through the same thing) is to try and not get excited about anyone. Its hard, I know, but if things don't work out you just get disappointed.

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      • #43
        Awesome! Sounds like you have good help--thats encouraging
        You'd be shocked if you knew how many folks horse-shop without any help, much less any ability.
        Sounds like you've only looked at three--you've barely scratched the surface. Buckle up, prepare for more disappointments, or lower your expectations (not recommending the latter )

        I'll also agree with Jlee, I get comments all the time "why have they been for sale for so long?" after I recommend a specific horse to a person, and my response is usually that NOBODY has looked at them. So go look at everything, be honest with what you want (and tell the seller if the horse is not what you are looking for) and you will find the PERFECT PONY. They are out there, trust me!

        Regarding your budget, I'm not sure what it is, but it's a buyers market right now. There are some real bargains. However, if you are looking for a Novice-level packer for under 5K without soundness or age issues, you probably are going to be out of luck. Sounds like you are being plenty reasonable though.

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          #44
          Originally posted by luise View Post
          Good luck! Don't get discouraged. One thing that will make it easier (which I learned from a friend going through the same thing) is to try and not get excited about anyone. Its hard, I know, but if things don't work out you just get disappointed.
          This is what happened with the horse in Aiken. I was just too in love, and then very heart-broken when it didn't work out. I felt like I was going to be able to do everything with that horse.

          I, too, should have a decent tax refund coming (haven't done them yet!) so that may help my budget. My trainer suggested a person in PA who apparently is pretty good with matching up riders with horses, so I may contact her. My father lives in NJ, so I could stay with him coming & going if need be.

          I just have to keep reminding myself not to be in a rush. I'm just being too impatient. The right horse will come along when the time is right.
          -Debbie / NH

          My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

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          • #45
            Originally posted by FairWeather View Post
            Awesome! Sounds like you have good help--thats encouraging
            You'd be shocked if you knew how many folks horse-shop without any help, much less any ability.
            Sounds like you've only looked at three--you've barely scratched the surface. Buckle up, prepare for more disappointments, or lower your expectations (not recommending the latter )

            I'll also agree with Jlee, I get comments all the time "why have they been for sale for so long?" after I recommend a specific horse to a person, and my response is usually that NOBODY has looked at them. So go look at everything, be honest with what you want (and tell the seller if the horse is not what you are looking for) and you will find the PERFECT PONY. They are out there, trust me!

            Regarding your budget, I'm not sure what it is, but it's a buyers market right now. There are some real bargains. However, if you are looking for a Novice-level packer for under 5K without soundness or age issues, you probably are going to be out of luck. Sounds like you are being plenty reasonable though.
            I disagree--it's not a buyers market. Well, maybe if you have $20K to spend it is. Everything I looked at under $10K that had novice experience either had a serious injury in the past, was not as advertised (i.e. hotter, greener, etc), or had some other issue. On the surface it looks like there are a lot of things out there, but once you look into the horses, you realize why many have not sold yet.

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            • #46
              Mmm, I'll totally disagree with that statement, but we're allowed to disagree.
              I can point to 5 horses 10K or under with zero soundness issues, will deal with a somewhat monkey-ish rider who have completed at least 1 USEA sanctioned event at BN or N without thinking too hard.
              Hot is relative, in my experience. Tolerant is much different than hot.
              Now, if you are looking for a "packer" who will tolerate a whole lot of mistakes, is not old, and has never been injured?, you're just asking for something that doesn't really exist.

              For someone other than a professional to take a green horse and get it reputable around a novice course is expensive. Add height, age, soundness, beauty?. Its more than 10K, thats for sure (in my world in the MD/VA region).

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              • #47
                Patience....

                Having just been through the process - it can be fun and frustrating - just look at it like an adventure. I rode 18 horses and inquired / spoke to people for 40 more before I found the one I purchased. I got exactly what I didn't want - a green mare. I was looking for a been - there -done - that gelding. I couldn't be happier!

                My initial criteria were pretty simple, sane, capable of BN/N eventing at some point, comfortable gaits, something above 15.1H, gelding, had some life experiences (shows, trails, etc). Breed/color was not important. I wanted something that had jumped, perhaps done some cross country.

                What the search did is it highlighted my most important criteria - brains, comfortable gaits, and basic W/T/C knowledge. I looked at/rode a number of horses that would have met my initial criteria, but in riding them I realized what was really most important for me, and what I was not willing to sacrifice.

                My budget did go up a few thousand, but in the grand scheme of things, that's going to be nothing in the overall cost of horse during my ownership.

                This is my first horse, although I bought a pony for my daughter 2 years ago. I did all the research and initial rides on my own (with my daughter). When I settled on the final one, I took my trainer with me for the second ride, just to make sure I didn't miss anything. Not having my own horse did give me the advantage of getting to ride lots of horses - so I had a pretty good idea of what I liked, and what I could tolerate and what would drive me crazy.

                While I did find a lot of horses on Equine, Dreamhorse, etc. Ultimately, I ended up looking at less common sites, and individual farm sites, and that's where I found my mare. If I saw a site that looked like they had nice horses, I'd send them an email telling them my rough budget and requirements and asking if they had anything that would be appropriate. Many responded and had other horses that were not on the sites.

                It was also fascinating to me to see the wide variety of prices. I was looking under $10K - and for the same price found horses I thought were "junk" and ones I thought were nice.

                Good Luck!

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                  #48
                  Update

                  Update:

                  My trainer found a horse that she likes very much for me in Aiken. Trainer went to try the horse today and likes her even more now. Horse is priced right, has done a few sanctioned HTs down there at BN level. Honest jumper, gone clean cross-country & stadium at everything, good mover. Seems very quiet and sensible, if a little green (but not at all hot).

                  I'm trying to work out coming down to Aiken for the day Friday or Saturday to check the horse out. The sellers are letting the horse come to my trainer's farm for a day or two.

                  I'm very excited and hopeful!
                  -Debbie / NH

                  My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

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                  • #49
                    That's great news, Good Luck!

                    I found that I really needed to ride those waves of excitment and hope using the energy from them to continue looking and finding leads because each time your heart gets broken and you walk away disapointed it is harder to get back to the seemingly impossible task of looking again. If you have an alternative hope lined up to look at (after) for when your next one doesn't work out it's easier to solider on. It's supposed to be fun but it's kinda emotionally exhasting.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Donkey View Post
                      That's great news, Good Luck!

                      I found that I really needed to ride those waves of excitment and hope using the energy from them to continue looking and finding leads because each time your heart gets broken and you walk away disapointed it is harder to get back to the seemingly impossible task of looking again. If you have an alternative hope lined up to look at (after) for when your next one doesn't work out it's easier to solider on. It's supposed to be fun but it's kinda emotionally exhasting.

                      And physically exhausting. Adding a one-day trip from NH to Aiken is no picnic! LOL.
                      -Debbie / NH

                      My Blog: http://deborahsulli.blogspot.com/

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by tikihorse2 View Post
                        "Oh, he never acts like that! It must be the way your trainer is riding him!"
                        To be fair, there's something about having people out to look at horses that seems to bring out the worst... I recently was showing a horse to people who was one of the bravest and most reliable horses I've ever ridden for jumping- super green, but dead honest. He had *never* stopped, and would go over anything we pointed him at. So what does he do when I offer to show him jumping some outdoor jumps?

                        Yeah, you guessed it...
                        "smile a lot can let us ride happy,it is good thing"

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