Announcement
Collapse
Forum rules and no-advertising policy
As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.
Board Rules
1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.
This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.
Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.
Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.
2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.
3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.
4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.
Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.
Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.
Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:
Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.
Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.
Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.
Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.
Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.
Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.
Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.
5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.
6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.
If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.
Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.
7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.
8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.
Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.
Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!
(Revised 2/8/18)
Board Rules
1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.
This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.
Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.
Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.
2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.
3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.
4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.
Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.
Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.
Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:
Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.
Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.
Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.
Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.
Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.
Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.
Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.
5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.
6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.
If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.
Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.
7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.
8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.
Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.
Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!
(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less
Pit bulls maul pony in CT - link to story
Collapse
This topic is closed.
X
X
-
Arabhorse2...isn't VA also the state that has the right to hunt with dogs? Where private land owners have to allow hunters onto their property to look for loose dogs...which would mean to me that their dogs are allowed to roam.
Now most WELL TRAINED hunting dogs wouldn't bother anything...but they do tend to entice pet dogs to start running with them.
Shanky...there are many places in this big ol' country that dogs roam loose. There are even states that allow that.
Try doing a search on this BB alone looking for roaming dog stories harassing livestock. It's definitely not uncommon. Heck, I live in CT and we're pretty densely populated...and I've had issues on and off with roaming dogs. I live in what would be termed "country" area for this state so people move to this area and think it's finally okay to let their dogs run free.
I also shoot on sight...but....I start off with a paintball rifle. Loose dogs aren't uncommon, anywhere. You may be lucky enough to live in an area that doesn't have issues with that. Consider yourself lucky. But please don't consider that the "norm" just because you personally don't experience it.
VAHorse...breath easy there.
Few people are trying to rid you of yoour right to own any breed of dog you choose. And posts on here stating otherwise still aren't likely to be magically transported to Congress, seen and agreed with and then passed as law nationwide. IOW...words on this BB won't change your rights. So no need to froth.
So howzabout licensing risky breeds/types? That way the @sshats who do own these types of dogs and don't handle them correctly and most likely have a time bomb of a canine on their hands can have their dogs removed BEFORE they eat someone's cat or tear up someone's dogs or take chunks out of someone's horse or chomp on little kids playing. That way *your* rights aren't affected at all.And the removed dogs can be evaluated and the offered for adoption to approved owners only or if determined to have a screw loose they can be humanely euthanized. And if someone has an unlicensed problem type dog removed more than once (they keep finding/getting new ones) then they're fined heavily enough to make them think before doing that again.
So how's that for a possible option?You jump in the saddle,
Hold onto the bridle!
Jump in the line!
...Belefonte
Comment
-
Originally posted by MistyBlue View PostArabhorse2...isn't VA also the state that has the right to hunt with dogs? Where private land owners have to allow hunters onto their property to look for loose dogs...which would mean to me that their dogs are allowed to roam.
Yes ma'am, you're correct.
I have no problem with the dogs roaming, but if they chase my horses or attack my dog in her own yard, they're going to meet Mr. Rifle and then Mr. Shovel.
Everyone who owns hunting dogs in this area knows if their animals chase livestock, that they'll be shot. We landowners know that the dogs are allowed to roam, and as long as they do it peacefully, I don't have a problem with it.
It's not the hunting dogs who tend to be the problem anyway; it's the former city/suburban pets who have no manners, and who tend to freak out with all that space and no discipline.
Most of the people who own hunting dogs also own livestock, so those dogs are taught to leave people and livestock alone.
To be honest, I have yet to meet any working dog who isn't friendly. They usually come up to you with big smiles and wagging tails.Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.
Comment
-
FWIW - this was on today's Houston Chronicle's front page: article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6363585.html
Comment
-
I'll have to sit down and read through the bill myself, but requiring an owner to hold Liability insurance is a good thing! BUT only if it is a requirement for ALL DOG Owners and not specific breed owners. As for the third and second felony charges, why not make it a felony one charge and be done with it.Originally posted by grayarabs View PostFWIW - this was on today's Houston Chronicle's front page: article:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6363585.html
As to the 2 toddlers killed in a span of a month, it's a shame, but again, the adults here are the ones who need to be help just as responsible as the dogs themselves.
I don't care who you are or what breed of dog you have, you NEVER leave a child unattended for any reason or for any amount of time with a DOG.
The female Pit had probably spent her life on that chain, never having been properly socialized or trained. But then I'm speculating, and that is a shame, for that dog will and SHOULD pay the ultimate price for it's owners ignorance and irresponsibility.
As for the grandmother, yes she's suffering emotionally, but as an adult, she should have known you never leave an infant alone with a dog, much less 2 dogs.Chronicle of My Horse
Secret Passage Ranch
**a member of the
Riders with Fibromyalgia & Adult Re-riders Clique
Comment
-
Well, bless your heart. Wilding in a pack? Are you talking about bored urban teenagers or dogs?Originally posted by shanky View PostI don't understand these areas that have all these packs of dogs roaming loose. Goodness! I do not care what breed of dog it is, any off the leash dogs out wilding in a pack need to be caught and contained by local officials and the owners need to pay heavy fines.
Mistyblue - your state permits hunting with dogs, too. Working dogs are usually exempt from leash laws WHEN working. When not working or in training, any leash laws apply. In this state, a hunter is required to retrieve his dog or it is deemed running at large.Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
-Rudyard Kipling
Comment
-
Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View PostI don't care about you or what you think, what I care about is ignorance like yours that will eventually take MY RIGHT to chose to own this breed away from me. That is what bothers me.
I have 3 Pits and none of them are 'Killing Machines'. None of them have ever run amuck on someone elses property, none of them has ever harmed a living soul. And all of them came from a shelter with an unknown background and all of them are my baby's.
I should have the right, as a hard working, law biding citizen to own them without fear of ignorance like yours forcing me to put them down or move out of the rural area I chose to live in.
Vacation: My apologies for equating you to PETA/NAZI, it was not my intention, however, changing the breed and the way it's bred is or will be as easy as ridding this country of DRUGS.
I am not as elaquantly spoken as others here are, and I am a bit hotheaded. That is why I typicall avoid this topic like the plague! Because I am so attached to my Right as an American to responsibility own Pit bulls. Because I do work with a vet, a trainer, and others in this community who are just as responsible for their Pits.
What bothers me is I don't go around spouting off at the mouth about how I absolutely HATE Dobermans or Shepherds because I was viciously mauled as a child by a single dog of both breeds. Or how I can't believe someone would choose to own an Arab or some other high strung horse when there are a dozen or more calm horse they could choose from. I don't put others down or critize them for their choices to own those breeds. I don't force my opinion on others as some here are trying to do regardless of what they say to the contrary.
I don't HATE anything or anyone and it just bothers me that folks cannot simply leave those of us who are RESPONSIBLE for our dogs alone. Why not take that hatred to your local Congressman/woman or Sentor and ask them to put into law something that would make it heard for those who display irresponsibility to own a dog of any breed.
Instead of killing a dog for simply setting foot on your property (not speaking of a vicious dog terrorizing your home, property, and livestock; that is entirely different), why not catch the dog and turn it over to AC and then AC will force the owners to either 1 be responsible for the dog or 2 surrender the dog for adoption.
I am not entirely opposed to BSL, however, the old BSL has proven NOT to work in a number of communities. Why not work to enact laws that will hold people responsible for their dogs, ALL BREEDS of dog, not just the Pit bull. Impose heavy fines for aggressive dogs, stiffer penalties for dog attacks regardless of the breed. Require owners of said dogs to pay the expenses of the one(s) their dog attacked, etc.
There are a number of things that can be done, but without true enforcement, it's simply not going to get any better for anyone. And I guess that bothers me, because all I ever get is those dogs should be banned, translation, "I should have the right to RID you of your RIGHT as an American Citizen to chose the breed of dog you want, regardless of how responsible you are, it's all because of those who fail to be responsible."
I really don't think you need to worry here...... I don't have the time or want to outlaw pits, but I am entitled to my opinion and I am certainly entitled to make it known, just as you have the right to love your pits and make that known. I highly doubt my opinion will make or change any laws for heavens sake! I hate them, yes I do.... so what.... My hatred or "ignorance" for feeling that way will not keep you from owning them.... if only I had that kind of power! geesh!
My aunt, of all people owned a pitbull, she bought from one of these so called "reputable" breeder, passed a in home inspection (from the breeder), the whole nine yards.... Dog was supposed to be well bred, etc... she paid a pretty penny for that dog too. well, long story short.... She lives in a very populated neighborhood in the city.... She was coming in the front door, a neighbor was out walking her dog and pushing her small child in a stroller across the street, my aunts beloved pitbull WHO NEVER showed any agression before bolted out the front door and ran herself across the street to attack and was struck and killed (thankfully) by a passing car before she reached the woman and her dog and child.... My aunt was devastated.... stupid damn dog got herself killed trying to go after another dog.
I am not going to lie, but I chuckled to myself when I heard the news. I was glad that dog was gone.. knew it was just a matter of time before that dog did something like that.
Now, back to my right to shoot strays and protect my animals. Most of these dogs that come on our property are strays, I know for a fact that they have not been properly vaccinated against rabies, etc... they get into a tangle with a skunk, rabbit, possum, coyote who has rabies and then come onto my land and harm my animals or small children?? then what??? Sorry, I am not taking the chance.... they are going to be shot and killed before anything can happen like that and I have no qualms about it....
Comment
-
Amen to that!Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View PostABSOLUTELY PERFECT!!! Regardless of the breed of dog, it is ULTIMATELY the RESPONSIBILITY of the HUMAN owner.
Funny today I took my pit for a little bike ride to let her blow off some steam and a yellow lab and a small mixed breed were running loose in my neighborhood and guess which dogs were the "problem" dogs. Yep, not the pitbull. Who is on a leash and jogging happily beside my bike, but both of the dogs were aggressive in her direction. Both running at us as we plodded by. Her reaction is a wagging tail. oooh, scary!
Comment
-
I asked. And I do get looking after the stock that is your livelihood. But more my point is you loathe and despise pits and yet you have had numerous issues with "mutts" and though a pit is going to be shot without question (whether it is a pit or just falls into the vague description of one) and yet the "mutt's ...what became of them? Were they also executed for their sins? or did they get a pass because they are mutts or nondescript breeds. One can't breathe hatred and venom for a specific breed, and not have the same actions for others. That is purely hypocritical.Originally posted by CATransplant View Postwhoever asked about what breeds I have shot on my property... I don't know, I really don't make notes or keep track... to be honest, most are mutts probably, tagless. we have a problem out here with people dropping off and dumping dogs all the time, they sometimes start running in packs and thats where the real problem starts.
Unless you depend on some of your livestock for income, you will never understand needing to protect them and keep from losing any. It hurts the bottom line, so don't judge. I dont go out looking to kill dogs for sport.... If my animals are threatened or attacked, I will shoot first, ask questions later... Most everyone around us subscribes to the same theory. Its just the way it is. My dogs are locked up secure and will not harm livestock, they are bred to protect. IF and IF they wandered off and got capped, I already said I would only be able to blame myself.
And hating Pits and owning dogs that are purely bred to protect??? You are such a contradiction in terms.
Pits are not created to be human aggressive. And those of us who own them do exactly what you do. Look after our dogs, ensure that they are contained, educated, and socialized. You won't find someone here on this thread that won't agree with taking responsibility for their dogs and as such I know I personally and multitudes of others go to great lengths to ensure that our dogs have a complete education and home structure so that they can be productive dogs in society.
And what would your bred to protect dogs do if the by some freakish accident were wandering around the countryside? It's not just pits that fall into BSL or into the hating surrounding "aggressive breeds."
Comment
-
Yes, and gang members should all just be arrested and put in jail, and we'll never have graffiti again once the police start just putting all those bad kids away!Originally posted by shanky View PostI don't understand these areas that have all these packs of dogs roaming loose. Goodness! I do not care what breed of dog it is, any off the leash dogs out wilding in a pack need to be caught and contained by local officials and the owners need to pay heavy fines. If the owners are unwilliing to do this or if the authorities can not locate the owners, these dogs must be put down, end of story.
We live in a city of several million people, there are not just wandering AC officers to keep every dog under control.
And your little link fest is really pointless- the singular of "data" is not "anecdote."
Comment
-
Wowie. Had the dog ever given you reason to suspect it? Maybe it did, that would make your comment a little less disturbing. Also, are you certain the dog was running across the attack another dog? I don't know, some dogs are pretty bad about running off.Originally posted by CATransplant View Post
My aunt, of all people owned a pitbull, she bought from one of these so called "reputable" breeder, passed a in home inspection (from the breeder), the whole nine yards.... Dog was supposed to be well bred, etc... she paid a pretty penny for that dog too. well, long story short.... She lives in a very populated neighborhood in the city.... She was coming in the front door, a neighbor was out walking her dog and pushing her small child in a stroller across the street, my aunts beloved pitbull WHO NEVER showed any agression before bolted out the front door and ran herself across the street to attack and was struck and killed (thankfully) by a passing car before she reached the woman and her dog and child.... My aunt was devastated.... stupid damn dog got herself killed trying to go after another dog.
I am not going to lie, but I chuckled to myself when I heard the news. I was glad that dog was gone.. knew it was just a matter of time before that dog did something like that.
Anyway, just had to comment on your polite comment about laughing that your aunt's dog got killed. Yikes! I just don't understand how people get in such a blind rage about things like this... I'm open to listen to both sides of the argument if they're presented intelligently. Unfortunately, nothing intelligent has been stated in any of your posts in regards to this discussion about pit bulls, just blind hate. Bleh. Since you're obviously not popping in on this discussion to seek enlightenment, perhaps you should pop out for a bit?
Comment
-
What a sad story....Originally posted by Riley0522 View PostOkay.
http://dogsinthenews.com/stories/070301a.php
Damn, wish we pointlessly put down their Pit Bull, so these 2 people would be dead.
MnToBe Twinkle Star: "Twinkie"
http://i236.photobucket.com/albums/f...wo/009_17A.jpg
Proud member of the "Don't rush to kill wildlife" clique!
Comment
-
You know this how? Oh wait, you are a mind reader (not to mention heartless) and all knowning, that has to be it. LMAOOriginally posted by CATransplant View PostMy aunt, of all people owned a pitbull, she bought from one of these so called "reputable" breeder, passed a in home inspection (from the breeder), the whole nine yards.... Dog was supposed to be well bred, etc... she paid a pretty penny for that dog too. well, long story short.... She lives in a very populated neighborhood in the city.... She was coming in the front door, a neighbor was out walking her dog and pushing her small child in a stroller across the street, my aunts beloved pitbull WHO NEVER showed any agression before bolted out the front door and ran herself across the street to attack and was struck and killed (thankfully) by a passing car before she reached the woman and her dog and child.... My aunt was devastated.... stupid damn dog got herself killed trying to go after another dog.
I am not going to lie, but I chuckled to myself when I heard the news. I was glad that dog was gone.. knew it was just a matter of time before that dog did something like that.
Now, back to my right to shoot strays and protect my animals. Most of these dogs that come on our property are strays, I know for a fact that they have not been properly vaccinated against rabies, etc... they get into a tangle with a skunk, rabbit, possum, coyote who has rabies and then come onto my land and harm my animals or small children?? then what??? Sorry, I am not taking the chance.... they are going to be shot and killed before anything can happen like that and I have no qualms about it....
As for your poor aunts dog, proper training regardless of 'breeding' standards rules out behavior such as disobedience. And proper training is a 24/7 a week thing, not just an 8wk course purchased at your local PetsMart or Petco.
And yes, you have a right to your opinion, as do I, but to think your opinion holds no weight what so ever when someone is surfing the net to gain support for a bill they plan to propose is silly. Those with such outspoken views on this breed attrack the attention of those working hard to ban this breed and remove my Rights as an American. Don't be silly enough to think it doesn't.Chronicle of My Horse
Secret Passage Ranch
**a member of the
Riders with Fibromyalgia & Adult Re-riders Clique
Comment
-
Yup, we allow hunting dogs to hunt off leash.Mistyblue - your state permits hunting with dogs, too. Working dogs are usually exempt from leash laws WHEN working. When not working or in training, any leash laws apply. In this state, a hunter is required to retrieve his dog or it is deemed running at large.
As we should IMO...as long as they're well trained hunting dogs. And so far in my lifetime in this state I've yet to come across a bad one. We have mostly bird dogs...so rarely more than one to three out at a time. But we also have a healthy population of hunting dog trials...I love seeing trucks with crates parked in a field because I'll stop and watch them run/trial their dogs.
What we have different is allowing trespass by dog hunters. But then since we don't run packs or free hunt dogs it wouldn't be needed anyways. Bird dogs don't generally run off...hard for the hunter to see them point, LOL!
Guard dogs are a world of difference from fighting dogs. Pits are bred to fight other dogs, to have dog aggression. Guard dogs aren't. And there's also a difference in guard dogs and "attack" dogs. There are specifically bred and trained dogs for going after people, grabbing and holding them. Guard dogs are bred and trained to "hold" a person without touching them. My GSD is trained to do that...it's a game to him since he adores people. On command he'll approach barking and make sure the person doesn't leave a certain spot or progress past a certain spot. Mixes his urge to herd and his loves of games. Once the person stands still and stays quiet, Chase sits and stops barking. What the "bad guy" doesn't know is that Chase is waiting for pats and "good boy" from them. As soon as I "release" him from the game he runs right for his ball, brings it back to the person and drops it at their feet waiting for them to throw it. His job is to guard the property and the people...not attack anyone ever.And hating Pits and owning dogs that are purely bred to protect??? You are such a contradiction in terms.
If my guard dog ever got loose? He doesn't leave the yard. Even if there's a cat, deer, turkeys, other roaming dogs, whatever off property he won't pass a certain line without a release. Would he never ever? You can never say never with any animal. But I have seen him slam on his brakes from a dead run chasing deer right on the property line I trained him to. He's not animal aggressive at all either...he chases animals to play with them. If the animal stops, he slams on his brakes and sometimes even runs full tilt back to me. (he can be a chicken sometimes, LOL)You jump in the saddle,
Hold onto the bridle!
Jump in the line!
...Belefonte
Comment
-
Misty, I politely disagree. Socialize, educate and pits are rather fun lap dogs whos tail and tongues are overly busy.
Which dogs are bred to protect? The Rottweiler, the Doberman, the shepherd. BSL can and does affect those breeds as well in some areas.
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200..._involved.html
http://forums.doghobbyist.com/view.php?id=140702,140702
http://scottishterrierdogs.blogspot....ttie-from.html
http://www.dogmagazine.net/archives/...uppy-is-named/
http://www.standunited.ca/sourcesfor...ssofbreed.html
It goes on and on and on. Breeds perceived by the public to be aggressive, protective, big, loyal etc all get lumped together at the end of the day.
ANY dog can be animal aggressive without socialization and education. Same goes for being human aggressive. We can create any kind of dog we want through education an the lack of education.
Pits are police dogs, Border patrol, narcotics dogs, cadaver dogs, used by bomb squads, in the military (Sargent Stumpy!!!), Helen Keller had a pit, The little Rascals had a pit, they are therapy dogs, the things that one can teach this breed is pretty much unlimited.
In every breed that is thought of as harmful to the public, animal, etc there is always a common weak link. The human that should have been at the end of the leash..
Ignorance breeds fear.Last edited by Blinkers On; Apr. 8, 2009, 04:45 PM.
Comment
-
So true. Someone mentioned earlier that they think part of the problem is the way people act around Pit Bulls or dogs they assume are dangerous. Cesar Millan at least has that "energy" thing right despite what some people think of his methods. If you start freaking out around a dog because you think, "OMG, it's a PIT BULL! It's going to EAT me!!!" Well, that dog is not likely to have a great response to you.Originally posted by Blinkers On View PostIgnorance breeds fear.
Because dogs are owned by SO many people, I think it would be really great if schools did doggie courses for little kids. Imagine if the public had to interact with horses on a daily basis, classes like that would certainly be necessary. And horses are prey animals not inclined to attack things but run instead.
I just think it could be very useful to spend a little more time educating the public on how to behave around dogs. SO many people have them, and I think most are just lucky to have a naturally quiet dog. I see so many uneducated people with obnoxious dogs that are on the way to becoming dangerous, and it's so frustrating. Those dogs then become somebody else's problem once little Pookie nips at little Cindy, and then little Pookie ends up at a shelter then getting euthed because stupid family couldn't teach Pookie manners and couldn't teach Cindy not to grab at Pookie's face while he's eating.
Comment
-
Yep, there was an awesome article in Sports Illustrated documenting the case. There was only ONE dog who was so aggressive he had to be euthanized.Originally posted by turningpointequine View PostMy lord, did we forget the Michael Vick case already? Those were obviously "fighting dogs" yet I belive all but one were rehomed due to wonderful personalities. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Comment
-
The worst animal bite I ever received was from a show rabbit.Originally posted by turningpointequine View Post
Heck, let's just put all animals down that are a hazard to humans. I got bit by my mothers bunny when I was younger so they better go too..
He managed to sever nerves and nick a tendon when he sank a mouthfull of teeth into my forearm. I was going to put him up on the table for judging and he just freaked and latched onto my arm. I still have the scar today - shaped like a half moon and I still have no feeling within about an inch all around the scar.
It was kind of funny when I was sitting in the emergency room while the ER doctor was trying to figure out what exactly bit me. I told him a rabbit. He said "A rabid WHAT?" I said, no a RABBIT. He was like "Ok, focus, WHAT was the rabid animal? Was it a dog, a cat, a raccoon?"
LOL, No a little furry bunny that hops and eats carrots. A RABBIT?!?! A rabbit bit you?!?! Are you sure it was a rabbit?!? Hahaa. Yes, I'm sure. We were all laughing. He didn't speak english that great anyway and he said he had never seen a rabbit bite before.
Comment
-
OH! I used to have this AWFUL little rabbit that a training customer had given me. She was like, well, just take her for a couple of weeks, and you can give her back if it doesn't work out. This little rabbit was gorgeous. Certainly show quality. What an awful little pet!
The customer had given another guy at the barn this great little black rabbit (apparently not show quality though). He was the sweetest, cutest little thing you could ever have had. But mine! Oh my, she would scratch and bite if you tried to do anything with her. I'm sure she would have come around, but I wasn't really interested. So she went back home, haha.
Comment
-
Yes, they are. No argument from me on that. But the facts remain that *far* too many owners aren't the correct owners for that breed, thus the fact that they are the #1 dog for serious attacks and injuries. That's not a media fallacy, it's the truth. It doesn't matter what the breed is...but if that specific breed is causing by far the most damage then it can get to a point where someone has to step in and say, "Okay, time to try controlling this."Misty, I politely disagree. Socialize, educate and pits are rather fun lap dogs whos tail and tongues over to be busy.
I don't have an issue with BSL in many forms...I *am* licensed for risk animals and wildlife. And almost every dog I've ever owned was considered a high risk breed. Because I got them from being seized. So license those who want a high risk breed...not saying it has to be only pits. It can be any of the breeds/types with a higher than average attack problem. GSDs, Rottie, whatever.
The pounds and shelters wouldn't be packed to the ceiling with certain breeds if it weren't for the fact that a ridiculous amount of people aren't caring for them properly. The same breeds seen most in shelters and pounds also happen to be the ones causing the most problems. It's not coincidence.
A good pit (or whatever) owner shouldn't mind being licensed for that dog. So if the BSL goes for special licensing/permit to own or breed those breeds, what's the issue? It won't affect the good owners because they'll pass the permit process and get to keep their dogs or get additional ones. The people who shouldn't have them would be more easily weeded out. I don't see how that's an issue.You jump in the saddle,
Hold onto the bridle!
Jump in the line!
...Belefonte
Comment


Comment