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So what did you guys think of the horses in LOTR: Two Towers? (Let's try to keep it horse related now... aren't I good, Erin?)

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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tosca:
    ...and we both agree that the hottest sexual chemistry in the whole film was between Aragorn and Legolas, particularily when Aragorn showed up at Helm's Deep.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh, Eowyn totally didn't go over to see Aragorn in that scene because she knew they wanted some time alone together.

    What? Stop looking at me like that.

    (You know about the action figures, don't you, Starbucks?)

    I'm reading Return of the King now, and I have absolutely no clue how they're going to pack the end of TT and all of RotK into a three-hour movie. By cutting, I guess, but the prospect boggles the mind. Reads as if it should be another good film for horse shots, though -- Snowmane and others.

    Re: Viggo's purchase of Uraeus...does anyone know if the actor rides dressage? I'm curious as to whether the horse'll be continuing his career.
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    • Yup!

      I'm trying to find them, but everything Legolas is sold out EVERYWHERE! I think I may go Amazon.com.

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      • Have finished Return of the King and you are correct there is alot of important stuff in there. But hey we can buy the third extended version and see all the stuff that didn't make it right? ?
        About the horse Viggo bought as I understand it the horse is staying in NZ .It is apparently a stallion.I hope Viggo just rides for the enjoyment .From all my intense research he is not the type to involve himself with all the fallderall that goes with any part of the competitive side of our sport. He does have a good position though noticed that right away!As I made note of it as we sat in theatre watching my daughter was appalled!! She was literally wincing ( he he he!!)
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        • Peter Jackson has said in an interview that ROTK will be "as long as it needs to be" and may be near the 3.5 hour mark

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          • Hmm . . . I haven't been a shameless nerd/bored anyone to tears in AT LEAST a few hours now . . .

            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tosca:
            I think studying Queer Theory in my Lit. class is warping my mind. Just had long phone conversation with friend from said class discussing the romantic aspects of the film, and we both agree that the hottest sexual chemistry in the whole film was between Aragorn and Legolas, particularily when Aragorn showed up at Helm's Deep. The look between them would have lit the coals on your outdoor grill.
            <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            I'm more inclined to be jealous of Aragorn, but it's so funny that you should mention this, because I've actually been having an e-mail discussion about the existence of a homoerotic vibe between certain LOTR characters with a prof of mine with whom I will hopefully be co-authoring a journal article next semester (the subject of which, unfortunately, will be nowhere near as interesting as this one). Seriously, I think the whole thing may actually be a holdover from real life and/or the story itself, and I will now very dorkily attempt to explain why I believe this.

            Watching the "Return to Middle Earth" special, it becomes very plain that the mostly-male cast has spent an unbelievable amount of time in one another's company, have bonded quite dramatically (particularly in the cases of those who share many scenes and thus filming-time, as have Aragorn and his alleged boytoy Legolas ), and seem to be much more comfortable hugging/talking about emotions/closeness than most North American guys of the straight variety . As to why, it's all speculation - maybe it's because they're actors and are therefore more aware or comfortable with deep emotion than most of the guys we're used to, or maybe it's because most of the cast is British, and as someone mentioned earlier, British male camaraderie is quite easy to mistake for, well, gayness by those of us raised in the non-touchy-feeliness, non-androgyny of North America. For instance, the "Return to Middle Earth" special featured a hugging shot between the man who plays Gandalf and a few of the other actors. Orlando Bloom/Legolas is one of the "hug-recipients," and he has one arm around Gandalf's back, the other hand rubbing Gandalf's stomach, and all the while, he is smiling and looking up at Gandalf's face in a way that prompted my ignoramus of a brother to say, "Uh . . . I wouldn't get too excited about Elf-boy, Sus." Even in the LOTR books, you could argue that the way the characters (particularly Frodo and Sam and to a lesser degree, Legolas, Aragorn, and Gimli) interact is strikingly close and cuddly at times for a bunch of warrior-type guys (or in the case of the Hobbits, warriors by necessity) . I'm not saying that any of the actors are gay or that Tolkien himself either unconciously or conciously wrote any of the LOTR characters as gay - it's just that the actors and the very characters in the story share a closeness with one another that we may not be used to seeing between guys, and that it's very likely that something of that closeness crossed over onto the screen, prompting us to detect something that seems suspiciously like sexual chemistry between a few of the male characters that may or may not be there/intended/whatever.

            What's interesting in light of all this is that, going back to my aforementioned discussion with my prof, nearly all of the people I've talked about the movie with around here have noticed the sizzling looks and whatnot between Frodo and Sam and Legolas and Aragorn. My prof, on the other hand, went home to London for Christmas and said that when he talked about the movie with friends there just recently, most of them remarked, "No, he's just a truly loyal servant," with respect to the Sam/Frodo thing and "No, Legolas just really respects Aragorn," in reference to, obviously, the possibility of Legolas and Aragorn being in the throes of secret passion . So who knows - it could be a cultural interpretation issue.

            As you've probably guessed by now, I'm quite the little amateur analyzer when it comes to literature and film . Honestly, I can't help myself. We've looked at Queer Theory in a couple of critical thinking in German lit classes, and it's interesting (the aforementioned prof is currently trying to prove that a particular German fairy tale character is, in the immortal words of Robby, as gay as a summer breeze ). I know that psychoanalytic theory is another approach to assessing film/art/lit, but I wonder if there's a social psychological approach as well. It would be interesting.

            So, how effectively have I just murdered the lighthearted drooling and whimsical reminiscing going on in this thread ?

            [This message was edited by Kachoo on Jan. 01, 2003 at 10:22 PM.]
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            • Well Kachoo;
              Interesting analysis, but I'll have to agree and perhaps emphasise the cultural interpretations probably have a lot to do with how the so-called "male bonding" is viewed in the film and perhaps to a lesser degree, in the books. As a German-Canadian and someone who's also lived in Germany for a time, it's evident to me that the Europeans are a lot more comfortable with emotions and what you called "touchy-feeliness" but I am just reiterating what you said! So I don't see any "sexual tension" between Aragorn and Legolas or Sam and Frodo.... (that could, however, have something to do with the fact that I find both Legolas and Aragorn extremely hot! )

              I thought I should add though, for what it's worth, Ian McKellan (Gandalf) *is* gay and open about it and is very involved in the gay rights movement in the UK. Not that that matters to his character nor should it, but you had said "I'm not saying any of the actors are gay..." but you don't have to, cuz at least one of them openly is

              However, trying not to stray too far off topic, can someone please explain why Aragorn's horse changed colour!!!???

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Starbucks:
                I have my whole family and most my friends looking for ANYTHING Legolas. They are under instruction that if they find anything relating to him, they are to buy it, give it to me, and I will pay them back later. So far I've gotten a Legolas bookmark out of the deal.

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                Ah! I'm not the only one who has that rule standing, then! So far I've gotten a Legolas action figure and the collector size action figure (and, somehow, they ARE different..). I'm holding out on 12" bendy-Legolas, though Mom-The-Wonderful picked up Aragon and Brego because she couldn't remember for whom she was looking. She said, "I just knew he was attractive, and, well, honey, look at that boy on the box.. Isn't he more attractive than the blond one anyway?" I love my mom.

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                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VWScully:
                  Well Kachoo;
                  Interesting analysis, but I'll have to agree and perhaps emphasise the cultural interpretations probably have a lot to do with how the so-called "male bonding" is viewed in the film and perhaps to a lesser degree, in the books. As a German-Canadian and someone who's also lived in Germany for a time, it's evident to me that the Europeans are a lot more comfortable with emotions and what you called "touchy-feeliness" but I am just reiterating what you said! So I don't see any "sexual tension" between Aragorn and Legolas or Sam and Frodo.... (that could, however, have something to do with the fact that I find both Legolas and Aragorn _extremely_ hot! )

                  I thought I should add though, for what it's worth, Ian McKellan (Gandalf) *is* gay and open about it and is very involved in the gay rights movement in the UK. Not that that matters to his character nor should it, but you had said "I'm not saying any of the actors are gay..." but you don't have to, cuz at least one of them openly is
                  <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Whoops, actually, you phrased that part much better than I did. You're right - our cultural norms provide something of a perceptual set through which we then interpret what we see, and that's why when you look at, say, Legolas and Aragorn, you see nothing unusual, whereas someone else might look at them and think, "Hey . . . what's this? Are they . . . gazing yearningly at one another?"

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                  • Hmm...glad I wasn't the only one who saw something in that Aragorn/Legolas meeting at Helm's Deep. Have heard about the Frodo/Sam thing before, though never the Sam/Bill think....eep. I think I wrote it off as comrderie and deep friendship though, I didn't put as much thought into it as apparently many did.

                    Saw the WB special too and loved it. Can't believe Orlando actually broke his back then went on and did all his stunts and everything. Wow, what a lucky, brave guy. I think it wasn't supposed to necessarily be the same horse for Aragorn, but that's me.
                    You know, if you took this jello, put it in a mold and froze it, you could be like look....an emerald. Dude, I'd kick some guys ass he ever tried to give me a jello ring.

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                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VWScully:
                      However, trying not to stray too far off topic, can someone please explain why Aragorn's horse changed colour!!!??? _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                      You mean the chestnut-to-bay bit? Those were supposed to be two different horses. Chestnut Hasufel, who he got from the Riders of Rohan, and then bay Brego, who was a bit more mysterious.
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                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tucked_Away:

                        I'm reading Return of the King now, and I have absolutely no clue how they're going to pack the end of TT and all of RotK into a three-hour movie. By cutting, I guess, but the prospect boggles the mind. Reads as if it should be another good film for horse shots, though -- Snowmane and others.

                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        From what I've heard, Peter Jackson is leaving out the Scouring of the Shire part of ROTK. That's apparently why he gave Frodo the glimpse of the horrible things going on in the shire when he looked into the mirror in Lothlorian (or was that water? i can't remember this early in the a.m.). He wanted to show what was going on there without doing the actual Scourring part at the end. I have a feeling that Jackson is going to get flack for leaving that part out, even if it would make the movie ungodly long. It's a bit too important, IMO, to be left out except for a 5 second tidbit in the first movie.

                        On a horse-related note, I FINALY saw The Two Towers on Monday, and I LOFFED it. All of it, especialy the horses. I practicaly peed my pants with excitement when Legolas vaulted onto his horse while it was charging towards him. Then again, I pretty much have that same reaction whenever Legolas made any appearance I want him. A lot. And I also want Brego. A lot, but not as much as I want Legolas. The scene on the shore where he poked at Aragorn was just so darned cute. I liked that they gave the horses emotions & personalities.

                        This may have been mentioned before (I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread yet), but did anyone else notice that Shadowfax's face changed colors at the very end? It might have just been me in my Legolas-induced haze, but I swear the lower half of Shadowfax's face was black at the very end and wasn't that way the rest of the movie. Any clue? Or am I nuts?

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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Indy:

                          This may have been mentioned before (I haven't read all 10 pages of this thread yet), but did anyone else notice that Shadowfax's face changed colors at the very end? It might have just been me in my Legolas-induced haze, but I swear the lower half of Shadowfax's face was black at the very end and wasn't that way the rest of the movie. Any clue? Or am I nuts?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          I noticed the same thing. Then again maybe I'm nuts too

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                          • about the horses changing colors for weeks ??? But honestly it doesn't matter right ?It just hit all of us right away because thats what we are interested in .In other Viggo websites almost know one talks about that .Unless they are riders then its literally the first thing they mention!
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                              I got the Legolas action figure!!! It doesn't look like an elf should, though. Even in battle I don't think an elf should look quite that fierce. I think of them as being calm and serene even in battle. But then again, Elrond looked pretty fierce in the battle scenes against Sauron.

                              I went to the Toys R Us website and they're not carrying the Aragorn and Gandalf action figures with horses. Where can I get them?


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                                I never picked up on anything between Aragorn and Legolas except maybe vibes that they knew each other so well that they what each other was thinking - especially with that elf-perception power.

                                As for Sam and Frodo, I do think it comes off a little odd, but it's a servant-master relationship we are just not privy or used to anymore.


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                                  Link to a picture of Aragorn, Legolas, and Gandalf on horseback.

                                  http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?source=s...rtensen,+Viggo


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                                    A close up of bridlework:

                                    http://us.imdb.com/EGallery?source=s...rtensen,+Viggo


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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tucked_Away:
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VWScully:
                                      However, trying not to stray too far off topic, can someone please explain why Aragorn's horse changed colour!!!??? _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      You mean the chestnut-to-bay bit? Those were supposed to be two different horses. Chestnut Hasufel, who he got from the Riders of Rohan, and then bay Brego, who was a bit more mysterious.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


                                      Thank you! I haven't read the books since high school, so I didn't remember all the little details like this! It just isn't clear in the film so I was puzzled. Thanks

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                                      • I think you guys are going a little overboard with the homoerotic ideas! I haven't read the books yet, so I don't know how much male hugging and kissing is in the books. But remember that LOTR was written during a different era by a British man. As others have said, other countries have different ideas about physical touching and what is considered acceptable. Watch international sporting events and you will see men from other countries hugging and kissing each other. It's just us North Americans that think it means the men are gay!

                                        In the first movie, I thought the scene between Aragorn and Boromir (where Boromir dies and Aragorn kisses him on the forehead) was very sweet and well-done. But part of me said "Oh, no! Some people are going to think they were gay because of that kiss!"

                                        I also noticed that Shadowfax's face had some black on it after the battle at Helm's Deep. Maybe it was supposed to be dirt or something that happened during the battle?

                                        Regarding Viggo Mortenson buying Uraeus, I read here that he brought the horse to the U.S. Someone also said that he is riding his horse in a horse racing movie that he is making. So I think the horse is retired from dressage and is now a movie star!

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                                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by VWScully:
                                          the books since high school, so I didn't remember all the little details like this! It just isn't clear in the film so I was puzzled. Thanks
                                          <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                          Brego isn't in the books...he was made up in the movie...supposedly they shot more scenes with him to explain where he came from, but they were cut.

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