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  • #21
    Originally posted by tradewind View Post
    Your isnuation that he is somehow he is pilfering money because he might not want to fool with documention is really crummy on your part. There are many reputable rescuers that are simply not 5013cs. They just prefer to do things the way that they want to and that is not neccessarily a sign of evil doing. Some of the most horrendous stuff I have been made aware of on various rescue threads have occured at 5013cs. Some of them quite recently. That status is a tax status not a seal of approval for quiality care, upright behavior, or honest representation of the horses they offer for adoption.
    A wee bit over reactive here...

    I can't speak for FP- because I don't know her but I did not get that impression from her post at all. She merely brought up a valid point about non-profits. In general people just do not understad what is or is not a non-profit and knowing can and does make a difference to some people. Op asked about the rescue and well she got a response.

    501c3 is not a graded assessment to the quality of a rescue you are right, but if one *prefers* to deal with a 501c3, there are some good ones out there and FP mentioned one.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by Beezer View Post
      While I truly admire people who do rescue work on whatever level they can do well, I kinda take exception to a horse being offered for "adoption" at $5,000. That's a sale price, and one that shouldn't come with all the restrictions that So Cal TB Rescue puts into its contracts. I **understand** why those restrictions are there, and I **know** that rescues need to cover expenses, but $5,000? I can find close to 100 horses of similar quality with as much or more training for that or less of a price, not to mention that I could go through CANTER and get several for the same amount of money. And they don't come with restrictions.
      Caroline might not have had much say in the adoption price either- we don't know unless your sitting on the BOD. Could be a ton of different scenerios factoring into it.

      Originally posted by Beezer View Post
      FatPalomino, I've never gotten a horse from Joe, but not because he doesn't have nonprofit status. I do, however, think that it was in rather poor taste of you to come in on a thread about another group and basically pimp for a friend of yours and diss another person's efforts. Not cool.
      however just a flip side opinion that could apply to anyone really... I didn't get the perception she was pimping a friend's rescue. Rather pointing out a that *if* non profit status mattered to OP... then here's an alternative... which I second as a good place.

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      • #23
        The one part of her post that said perhaps because he did not want to fool with the monetary documentation part of the paperwork was clearly designed to imply that he was not being upfront with the money. FP is not a dumb person and I believe she was trying to undermine another rescue in favor of one she personally favors, which was not the question the OP asked. Both of the rescues I have fostered for have been 5013c so I dont prefer one over the other. On the other hand, I have taken in some on my own, and I am not. I did the same quality of work either way.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by tradewind View Post
          The fact that Joe is not a 5013c does not mean that his rescue work is not as worthwhile or aboveboard. It may be simply, as alot of people who do rescue decided the paperwork etc is not something that they want to fool with.
          Tradewind... I was quoting you

          I was just clarifying the difference between 501c3 and providing a reference to an organization dealing with TB's in that area that can offer a tax deductible donation.. This time of year (tax season), it is a BIG deal to a lot of people.

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          • #25
            yes FP, but in your reply to me, you cleary stated that perhaps it was the documentation of money's received was the part that he did not want to fool with as you did not find the paperwork overly challenging. The OP had made no inquiry as to tax status, that was you.

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            • #26
              I believe it was the last sentence of post 12. I am not good at cutting and pasting on this board.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Beezer View Post
                While I truly admire people who do rescue work on whatever level they can do well, I kinda take exception to a horse being offered for "adoption" at $5,000. That's a sale price, and one that shouldn't come with all the restrictions that So Cal TB Rescue puts into its contracts. I **understand** why those restrictions are there, and I **know** that rescues need to cover expenses, but $5,000? I can find close to 100 horses of similar quality with as much or more training for that or less of a price, not to mention that I could go through CANTER and get several for the same amount of money. And they don't come with restrictions.

                And, yes, I am very, very familiar with prices of horses in Southern California and Norco in particular.

                Now, some of the other horses at SCTB have far more realistic adoption fees and would be worth a look for someone wanting a project. But I have to admit that when I first saw the price hung on Hasty a couple of months ago, it turned me off; again, that's a resale she's got there, not an "adoption." NOT that there's anything wrong with making money off a resale project (that's a goal of pretty much all of us), but it should be called what it is.

                FatPalomino, I've never gotten a horse from Joe, but not because he doesn't have nonprofit status. I do, however, think that it was in rather poor taste of you to come in on a thread about another group and basically pimp for a friend of yours and diss another person's efforts. Not cool.
                Good post, and it would also appear to me that FatPalomino was definitely making implications of potential impropriety with money and undermining one rescue as she clearly favors another one. As Beezer put it, not cool.
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                • #28
                  501 c3 status is only relevant if you are donating money, not adopting/buying a horse. Even though you may be giving the rescue money, you're getting a horse in exchange, so that's not a tax-deductible event.
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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by poltroon View Post
                    501 c3 status is only relevant if you are donating money, not adopting/buying a horse. Even though you may be giving the rescue money, you're getting a horse in exchange, so that's not a tax-deductible event.
                    Unless the rescue keeps some form of ownership. Although, a proper tax representative should be the one who should address these questions.

                    The OP was saying she was very picky and looking for something very special, and the horse I mentioned immediately came to mind.

                    ETA: Deleting original post... if folks do not want accountability, to know where their money is going, and a proper tax write off for a "rescue"... it is not my decision! Sorry for trying to show the difference between a 501c3, NON PROFIT rescue and a private organization.
                    Last edited by FatPalomino; Apr. 4, 2009, 01:48 PM.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by FatPalomino View Post
                      Unless the rescue keeps some form of ownership. Although, a proper tax representative should be the one who should address these questions.

                      The OP was saying she was very picky and looking for something very special, and the horse I mentioned immediately came to mind.

                      ETA: Deleting original post... if folks do not want accountability, to know where their money is going, and a proper tax write off for a "rescue"... it is not my decision! Sorry for trying to show the difference between a 501c3, NON PROFIT rescue and a private organization.
                      As far as I'm concerned, if you're purchasing a horse, the tax status isn't relevant. At rescue prices (< $1000), it's pretty clear that the money goes into feeding and housing the horses... and you don't get a tax deduction. If you're donating money, then tax status is more of an issue.

                      And even if the rescue kept rights to the horse (I won't do that kind of arrangement, but some will), I'm not sure how their tax status is in the picture. You still can't deduct your 'adoption' fee, even if it is a 501c3. You're paying for a service, not making a donation.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by FatPalomino View Post
                        Unless the rescue keeps some form of ownership. Although, a proper tax representative should be the one who should address these questions.

                        The OP was saying she was very picky and looking for something very special, and the horse I mentioned immediately came to mind.

                        ETA: Deleting original post... if folks do not want accountability, to know where their money is going, and a proper tax write off for a "rescue"... it is not my decision! Sorry for trying to show the difference between a 501c3, NON PROFIT rescue and a private organization.
                        You're still missing the elephant in the room. The OP wasn't asking about TBFriends' nonprofit status because she wanted to make a donation to him and was that good or bad; or whether Joe or anyone else walked on water; or whether his or your pal's corrals smelled better. She WAS, however, asking about anyone's dealings with him in BUYING A HORSE.

                        You arrived to diss Joe and talk up your friend who happens to run a nonprofit rescue -- totally different animal. And again, if the OP wanted to pay $5,000 for a horse that comes with myriad restrictions on its future use, and was concerned about whether that "adoption" fee was tax-deductible, then maybe your points might have been germaine. But I fail to see any of those points or concerns in the OP's post.

                        The OP was interested in BUYING a horse, not ADOPTING one, particularly one that costs $5,000 and can't be resold without "permission." Surely you can see the difference??
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