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  • Putting down older mare, shield the others from seeing?

    I have an older mare that I will be saying good-bye to tomorrow. It's time.

    I have a rather odd question but hopefully you all can give me suggestions.

    I'm not quite sure what to do with my other two horses while the whole process happens.

    I have two geldings and one of the geldings is very attached to the mare. He is going to be stressing out as it is, just by removing her from her corral without him. I am not going to remove them off the property prior because that would really upset the mare. So, everyone has to stay here at least until it's done.

    I planned on allowing them to go up to her body after it's all done if they want to.

    I guess my bigger question is when it's time to remove her body, should I get them off the property then? I could ask a friend to help me take them for a walk so they don't witness that part of it. Or is it better for them to just stay put?

    It's all so very sad, but it's what has to be done.

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    Whenever I have had to put any of my horses down (3 old mares in the past 14 years) the other horses were VERY upset and seemed to know what was happening before the vet actually did anything. They were about 50-100 yards away, but could still see. They screamed. It was heartbreaking. One mare screamed for 3 days. When she finally was permitted to be loose in that area she tried to dig up the spot where her friend was buried. Anyone who says animals do not have feelings like that has obviously never owned any.

    My heartfelt condolences to you and your other horses on the impending loss of your mare. Whether your geldings are there or not, they will still feel the pain and grieve her loss maybe as much as you will. Time will eventually heal you all. Cherish your mare's memory and give your geldings some extra attention, it will help you as well as them get through this difficult time.
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    • #3
      When we had our old gelding put down who was the little herd leader, it was done sort of
      out of sight--don't what they saw from their stall windows. But we did let them come around and sniff his body. They screamed, one tried to get him up, even trying to pull
      the cooler we had laid over him while waiting for the truck to take him to the horse cemetery. They spent about 10 minutes hollering, running around in a dither, bucking
      and then settled down.

      The old guy had the first stall and when I tried to move them down a stall, neither one
      was interested in inhabiting his old stall...so now we use to store hay.

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      • #4
        My mare was very attached to my old gelding. He got sick and I had to put him in a stall. Within a week he had died. I took my mare into the barn and let her see him. She was very gentle and sniffed his face for about 5 min. Then she put her head up and backed out of the stall. She never screamed for him and was fine by herself in the pasture. I think seeing him after he died let her know what happened to him.

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        • #5
          Big hugs for the morrow, it's a hard thing to do but we do it because we can.

          When I had to have my gelding pts my mare who was very stuck on him was watching from the next paddock. She had been screaming, grunting and trying to get to him while the vets were doing what they could to try and save him but when the decision was made to euthanase him she settled and was quiet when he passed.

          Once we had laid covers over him I let her in his paddock and she stood beside him for a long time with us.

          The next morning when the digger arrived she ran around screaming and grunting again and once he was buried we let her through and she went to stand by his mound, sniffing and snuffling.

          I was dreading the next days, I expected her to be charging around screaming and working herself up into a muck lather because her buddy was gone but she didn't, she was pretty much business as usual 'cept for the fact that he wasn't there.

          It's hard to say, I'd like to think that she understood what had happened and that was why she didn't go through her usual separation anxiety antics - who knows?
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          • #6
            Before I put my mare down I asked the same question on this board, and the advice given was let them see her. It was good advice.

            I let mine see my mare after she had been put down. One gelding was especially attached to her and he tried and tried to get her up. It was heartbreaking, but I feel it was necessary. My young mare sniffed and then went off to graze, and my other gelding was more interested in the hole digging procedure.

            The one gelding who was so attached to her was lost for a while so I spent extra time with him. Horses are resiliant and a lot smarter than we give them credit for sometimes.

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            • #7
              Big (((((hugs))))) to you and I hope the process goes peacefully for all. I know one day I'll have this same question, and I think you're getting excellent advice. Since I've spent the last year at home and really gotten to watch and understand the horses alot more than ever before, I do think we often don't give them the credit for the wisdom and sensitivity that they possess. I don't think we need to "shield" them-they all need to grieve in the way that works for them. Good luck-sounds like your mare had a great home.
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              • #8
                My condolences on your upcoming loss.

                I let Casper and Mack see Conny's body before it was buried, but I didn't let them watch the euthing.

                Casper was the most upset, because Conny was his buddy. Even though he saw the body, he called for Conny for about 3 weeks. Broke my already shattered heart even more.

                Mack is a lot like Conny, in that he's always been okay alone. He and Casper have bonded now, but I could take Casper away as I did for 8 months to go to the trainer's, and he wouldn't be worried.

                I think our other horses need to see their dead companion's body, so they can process the loss.
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                • #9
                  I am sorry for what you are going through right now. I know it's not easy. My condolances.


                  If it were me I would have the deed done where the other horses cannot see. I have put 2 horses down. The first one went horribly wrong when the horse reared up and flipped over then slid down a hill with needle still sticking out of him. The next horse I put down went perfectly but before he went he let out three whinnies as if he was saying goodbye to all his friends. I swear they know. Luckily for me the other herdmates in both cases seemed to accept it. I did show the horses the body afterwards. I know it's weird but I felt like they would understand that the horse was gone for good.

                  If I ever have to do this again I would not let the actual act be seen by other horses. Especially given my first experience which was horrid and haunts me to this day. I'm glad no horse had to witness that!

                  As an aside, it's actually illegal to euthanize lab animals in front of other lab animals because it's been proven to stress them out. It's considered inhumane.

                  I hope all goes well.

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                  • #10
                    I had to put my old guy down last May after an accident. I kept my other 2 locked up in the barn while the vet was out and letting him go. I did it that way to keep my guy calm without the others running around by him and to keep them calm from getting in the way and having to be shoed away. When it was all done, I let them back out and they both ran to him. They sniffed at him for a while and then went to grazing next to him. It was easier on all of them to do it that way. Just wish it was easier on me.
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                    • #11
                      I would let them watch. Our horses saw my boy get peacefully put down 2 years ago. Then they sniffed the body and stayed with him for a few hours.

                      I would ask the vet about using sedation (e.g., detomidine/dormosedan) and anesthetic (e.g. ketamine) to put the horse under general anesthesia before he puts down your horse. We had one of those horrible rear, run around the field, crash into a tree after the euthanasia is in, type euthanasias many years ago and it was not something I ever want to see again.

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                      • #12
                        I thought it was standard practice for a horse to be sedated prior to the euthanasia shot?

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                        • #13
                          When we put down our old mare last year I took her around the paddocks and let her say goodbye. She was dieing from a ruptured tumor on her intestine so the vet had her on a lot of drugs. She walked over to her two children sniffed and then I took her to our gelding who was in love with her.

                          The gelding sniffed noses with her reared up took off bucking, came back to the fence and stood like a rock staring at her. The vet said he never moved until after she was on the ground then he quietly walked away and started grazing. It was as if he wanted to be there for her until the end and when it was over, it was over.

                          Before she was buried, I took him over to see her body and he wouldn't leave her, he even sniffed her and started phleming (sp?) so I let him stay there until he was ready to walk away again for the final time. He stayed with her for a long time.

                          I don't think there's a right or wrong way, just what is right for the situation and horses.


                          As an aside my vet uses a catheter to give the euthanasia. I've seen quite a few horses put down and all went down with no problems, I did not watch Kelly put down, but it was quick and quiet.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by <3OTTB View Post
                            I thought it was standard practice for a horse to be sedated prior to the euthanasia shot?
                            It is. Doesn't mean a horse can't have a bad reaction to the sedation. It happens a lot more than people realize.

                            Conny went quietly even without the sedation, but then, I'm convinced he was dying anyway and we just helped speed up the process.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by blue&blond View Post
                              I'm not quite sure what to do with my other two horses while the whole process happens.

                              There is a reason slaughterhouses are required to shield the animals from seeing what is happening to the one ahead of them.

                              Even if you euthanize by lethal injection, it is inhumane for the others to see what is happening.

                              I'm sorry you're going to lose your horse but after seeing how horses panic.... I'd just not want them to watch. Once everything is over, the vet has left, and you are able to control yourself, maybe then you can let them sniff the body. When things are quiet and calm.
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                              • #16
                                While I understand your point, JSwan, there's quite a bit of difference between how a euthanized horse dies, and a slaughtered one.

                                When we lost our Chessie three weeks ago, he was euthanized in his normal paddock, with two of his neighbors (one, his turn out buddy) watching. They had been around to watch and listen to him suffer all day, so they already knew something was wrong. Chessie's leaving was very peaceful, and both stood at their back stall doors and watched. No one got upset or freaked out, because they saw what happened, and his corpse lying there afterward. His turnout buddy called and was confused for a half day or so, but that was it. I think it's better for them, to see, as long as they're restrained.

                                IMO, horses are like people in that they all grieve differently, depending on their attachment to the deceased.
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                                • #17
                                  Hay

                                  We had to do this very thing last Oct. We have two geldings and had one old mare. The one gelding was SO attached to this mare. We left the two geldings in the barn and the one that was so attached, we just drugged heavily (dormosedan) so he wouldn't be neighing when we took the old mare out of the barn. We didn't let them see it.

                                  The vet first sedated the mare and then euth'ed her. It was all very quiet. We then led each gelding out by himself and let each sniff the body. They knew immediately, no screaming, and when we turned them out after she was taken away (we didn't bury, we're above an aquifer), they quietly went about their business.

                                  Don't just let them see, let them sniff the body. And, if you have to drug the really attached one so it's not screaming for the one that is being euth'ed, then do it. I was concerned about her fighting the drugs to get near him.

                                  It is all so sad but the animals know. The really attached horse lost some weight after it all but he's bounced back and we now call the two geldings our gay boys...not that there's anything wrong with it, but they are attached at the hip and nuzzle and lick each other.
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                                  • #18
                                    Somehow, over the years, when we've lost one horse, the others seemed to know, and seemed to accept. The missing one just isn't thee anymore.

                                    Yet have one get on a trailer and leave, and everyone wants to know where and why?

                                    My sympathies to you, sometimes I think it's harder on us.
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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
                                      It is. Doesn't mean a horse can't have a bad reaction to the sedation. It happens a lot more than people realize.

                                      When we put Rebuff down, the vet sedated him first. However, Rebuff had some serious cardiac issues, and it took him what seemed like forever to go down after the euthanasia shot, despite my awesome vet's efforts to rock him back. In the end, he snorted and went over on his side instead of sinking down, but he was gone before he hit the ground. It was very hard for us to see but I know that he didn't feel anything. And I knew ahead of time - thanks to COTH - that that might happen b/c of his bad heart.

                                      To the OP, my heart goes out to you. I know how incredibly difficult this decision is, but remember that this is the absolute greatest gift you can ever give your horse. Hugs to you.
                                      In memory of Rebuff (1974-2009)

                                      Rest in peace, my sweet man

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                                      • #20
                                        My friend had to put her horse's old pasture mate down last winter and she had them stand together to keep the old horse quiet and let her horse see what was happening. All was very peaceful and when the backhoe came she put her horse in the barn and then let him back out to see the grave. Never said a word, just would go see the grave each day then off to graze.

                                        Her horse is a sandwich short of a picnic on a regular basis so when she took the old horse to the vet when he first became ill he screamed and paced the whole time. The fact that he was ok with the loss of his friend and suddenly being alone says alot for being there and having an understanding of where his friend was.

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