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  • I need advice!!

    I have a lovely 1995 mare by Consul and I don't know what to do with her. She has too much movement for me to ride and is very sensitive and can be reactive. So basically she and I are not a match made in heaven - I get tense - she gets tense - etc. Took me years to figure that out.

    For the past 2 years I have had this mare for sale - name the price I had her at it! If someone called, I basically talked them out of my mare, made some great friends, but still have my mare.

    For the past year she has been leased out by a friend's daughter. This was to be a lease purchase but the husband lost his job and now no money.

    1. I could take the mare back, put her in training and go through the painful heartbreaking process of trying to sell her.

    2. I could lease her to a friend for breeding. However, this mare is very personable and I think would be heartbroken to be just a broodmare. Plus, I would still own her and next year after a baby she will be 15. BTW - the mare had a filly in 2002 - lovely, lovely filly!!

    3. I could take the mare back and try to ride her or find someone to lease her from me.

    HELP!! I really love this mare. She is sound, she is forward, she is lovely, she just isnt for everyone, definitely not a beginner's horse, yet not enough training others. No show career as its just not my thing. I have an eventer friend who gets along great with this mare. She has too many horses or I would give her my mare!!!

    What do I do with her? My trainer suggests that I send her to a trainer friend and let her sell my mare - basically I am too emotionally involved with this horse to be rational. However, I am only asking $5k and once I pay training and board for a couple of months, I end up with nothing, actually probably out money.

    Advice - I need advice!

    Darcy
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  • #2
    Any chance the lease purchase deal could just be a semi-permanent lease? That would seem to be a good option to me since you know they get along and eventually, hubby will get another job and perhaps they will be in a position to conclude the sale. Meanwhile the horse is kept in work and progressing in her education...

    Personally I love the Consul horses; they all seem to be really good athletes.
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    • #3
      Do you have a local pony club? You could lease her to one of the older kids. I'm thinking a lease is your best bet right now. The best way is to get the word out locally. Tell your vet, farrier etc that she's for lease and see who bites.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by DarcyW View Post
        I have a lovely 1995 mare by Consul and I don't know what to do with her. She has too much movement for me to ride and is very sensitive and can be reactive. So basically she and I are not a match made in heaven - I get tense - she gets tense - etc. Took me years to figure that out.

        For the past 2 years I have had this mare for sale - name the price I had her at it! If someone called, I basically talked them out of my mare, made some great friends, but still have my mare.

        For the past year she has been leased out by a friend's daughter. This was to be a lease purchase but the husband lost his job and now no money.

        Did you talk others out of yourmare b/c they werent a good match or b/c you couldnt sell her? Did FD get along with her or just take her?

        1. I could take the mare back, put her in training and go through the painful heartbreaking process of trying to sell her. This may answer 1st question. Do you like her but just cant click or do you want another in her spot?

        2. I could lease her to a friend for breeding. However, this mare is very personable and I think would be heartbroken to be just a broodmare. Plus, I would still own her and next year after a baby she will be 15. BTW - the mare had a filly in 2002 - lovely, lovely filly!! Im not a breeder & woudnt recommend it. Too many now, yanno. JMHO.

        3. I could take the mare back and try to ride her or find someone to lease her from me. Youve already said you make each other tense. Probably not the best option.

        HELP!! I really love this mare. She is sound, she is forward, she is lovely, she just isnt for everyone, definitely not a beginner's horse, yet not enough training others. No show career as its just not my thing. I have an eventer friend who gets along great with this mare. She has too many horses or I would give her my mare!!! Does Maresy want to be an eventer or does the friend just click with her? Might help to sell her.

        What do I do with her? My trainer suggests that I send her to a trainer friend and let her sell my mare - basically I am too emotionally involved with this horse to be rational. However, I am only asking $5k and once I pay training and board for a couple of months, I end up with nothing, actually probably out money. Trainers network all the time. If a decent horse is priced right a good trainer can sell a horse in a few mo. Ask me how I know!

        Advice - I need advice!

        Darcy
        Ive been there not long ago. I didnt awnt to give up but also didnt want to keep him. Its better to move on and find something your happy with. Lifes too short to ride bad horses. Not that shes bad but shes not right for you. If FD cliks with her Id see if they want to continue leasing. Sounds like it isnt possible. Next best optoin is with your eventer friend if shed take her. Maybe she has one you could trade for? Then put her with a trainer if those dont work. JMO.
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          #5
          Update - the lease-purchase situation - just shipped the horse back to me and said that they can't even afford board. So mare back with me.

          I talked others out of her, because no one is good enough for her...hmmm...I know, I know

          I do have another horse that I absolutely LOVE. And its because of having another horse I learned that I am an OK rider on a horse that doesn't make me tense. And riding can be fun and not stressful.

          My previous trainer actually caused me lots of problems trying to sell this mare. One of the reasons she is a "previous" trainer. Current trainer loves my other horse and thinks I need to cut my losses on my mare. Luckily I have had a couple of people inquire on this mare in the past couple of days. I really want a quick, uncomplicated sale. I know.... who doesn't

          Let me tell you what I learned thru this process that has lasted 10 years.....decide if you want a horse to ride or are buying one for your trainer to ride. This mare is amazing and I love to watch her, but way too much horse for me. I just can't ride the huge gaits. Obviously that trainer is a "previous" as well!!

          Darcy
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          • #6
            How about the giveaways forum here? Wait until the person who IS good enough for her comes along?

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            • #7
              Well, as hard as it is, you need to let this one go. If she's not the right match for you, think about the match she could be for someone else! If the mare is very peronable then I'm sure she'd love a rider who gets along with her so she can enjoy as much as they enjoy her Not that she doesn't enjoy you but under saddle you've already admitted doesn't work out.

              As far as a broodmare goes - most of them are treated pretty well. She's not a maiden so that's a plus. Maybe you can sell her into someone's breeding program? The breeders from this board have some of the most loved mares I've ever seen

              If she's really useful under saddle then sending her to a trainer to be sold is going to inflate her price. The sale contract would be written so you'd get your expected price, the seller would get their cut, etc. If she's talented and you send her to a good trainer then she'll probably sell pretty quick (well, depends on your area I guess but if her price is right she'll still move).

              It's never wrong to be careful of your potential buyer but instead of talking people out of the horse why not have them come for a couple rides, let them spend some time with her and see how the interact etc? When I bought my 1st horse (who I still have countless years later) the lady who was selling him also turned down many offers. She in turn kept lowering his price. Eventually I came along and she just knew I was the kid she wanted to own her horse - I was kind, slow, gentle, and didn't take over--I asked her how he liked things etc. I know it's hard to believe but there are other people that can love/care for our horses as much as we do..just don't ask me to find that person-I can't sell a horse to save my life
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              • #8
                They aren't making many more Consul mares and personally, I would fight to have one in my broodmare band. The only ones that I have ever been offered were older maidens because they still have been showing up until later in life!
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                • #9
                  There's a good home for her

                  How about a long-term breed lease to IHF?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DarcyW View Post
                    Let me tell you what I learned thru this process that has lasted 10 years.....decide if you want a horse to ride or are buying one for your trainer to ride. This mare is amazing and I love to watch her, but way too much horse for me. I just can't ride the huge gaits. Obviously that trainer is a "previous" as well!!
                    You're not the only one - been there, done that. The only difference between your situation and mine is that I can't sell my horse because he isn't reliably sound. Consider yourself lucky in that regard!

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                    • #11
                      Same situation. Advice to give.

                      I have been in your same situation with a TB that was too much horse for me but a great jumper. My vet who goes out to the fancy jumper barns where I live put the word out for me. Only I wasn't selling him I was giving him away. I just wanted him to go to a good home. Well several people were interested in him and he got a great home! His new O lets me visit him whenever I want and I go watch him show at The Los Angeles Equestrian Center. They love him so much and I am still a part of his life. To make things better they had a little quarter horse mare that her daughter out grew and they gave her to me. A win win situation. Maybe you could ask your vet to put the word out or think about a trade. Good luck.
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                      • #12
                        Retire her to a broodmare band. Looks like IHF would welcome her.

                        Though I'm sure she is "personable," she's an equine, having had a foal already, I'm sure she would likely prefer the company of her own kind.

                        Any attempt to argue otherwise is based on your feelings, not hers.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JustJump View Post
                          Any attempt to argue otherwise is based on your feelings, not hers.
                          LOL - that's the whole problem with this situation!!

                          However, not all broodmares live in the lap of luxury, or even with good regular care. I am looking for a youngster and received some pics of a baby with its dam. The feet on that mare were SOOOO bad.
                          There is a reason that the windshield is larger than the rear view mirror!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DarcyW View Post
                            LOL - that's the whole problem with this situation!!

                            However, not all broodmares live in the lap of luxury, or even with good regular care. I am looking for a youngster and received some pics of a baby with its dam. The feet on that mare were SOOOO bad.
                            You have to make sure you send her to a reputable person but you really need to stop over-thinking this. Unless you intend to house her for the rest of her (or your) days and accept all financial responsibility to have her just hang out - you need to make a decision and go with it. (sorry to be harsh but that's the truth )

                            Yes, some broodmares aren't treated well but neither are all other horses. You just need to do your homework and know that the person who takes over her care will do the best they can within their knowledge and ability. It might not be up to your standards but trust me when I tell you - horses are surprisingly resiliant!!! While they may have their fragile areas, they are not going to melt in the rain, evaporate in the heat, drop dead in the snow, go on strike because it took 8 weeks to get a trim instead of the usual 6 etc. I'm not talking neglect here - I'm just talking treating them like horses.

                            Honestly, scope out the sport horse breeding forum here if you are interested in sending her to a breeding program. There are tons of pix of mares and the foals they've had - if you find one that is mistreated I'd be shocked! Go visit marestare.com and check out the camera links. There are loads of breeders there and while not all of them are producing the next Triple Crown winner or the next Grand Prix superstar etc, the mares are obviously well taken care of. Broodmares are a business so making sure they are healthy is top on list of priorities otherwise all the expense that went into the breeding could be washed down the drain before it's even given a chance--and breeding is hard enough as it is without adding neglect to the equation.

                            I'm not trying to be harsh. You just need to decide if this mare needs to go or if you want to keep her forever. If she needs to go then you need to let her go - without the excuses. If you sell her to any person that walks off the street wanting a horse then you won't know what you are getting but believe me, with a little homework you'll find this horse a good home - ask for references, go through a trainer to sell her, or send her to a reputable breeder either by sale or long term lease. Just make the decision one way or the other and stick with it
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