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  • Pros/Cons of Horse Slaughter

    I hate to bring up such a depressing issue, but I have decided to do my paper on this topic and need some pros and cons for my tactile project.

    Since I've started this paper in January, I started out totally against it then decided I was completely for it and back and forth again. Along with giving the pros and cons, I would love for you to also state why you are either for or against it. Everyone in my Equine class has decided to be against it, but I feel like there is so much more to this issue than the obvious.

    I wasn't sure if this was a topic that I should bring up on this forum, but I decided it would really help my project to have other outside information other than my trainer and my research off the internet....and help me to finally pick a side. Thanks for the help!


    B
    ~*If I had a dime for everytime I thought of a horse's beauty, I'd have enough to buy one*~

  • #2
    Please Don't Feed The Troll.

    Thank You.

    The Management




    P.S. On the outside chance that this is not a troll search the many threads that have discussed the subject. It's been about done to death ad infinitum.
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    • #3
      If you do a search on this forum you'll find a ton of threads on horse slaughter.

      Pro's- killer buyers, dealers, and people wanting to make an easy buck make money.

      Cons- inhumane transport
      injured horses kept at feedlots with no med care
      captive bolt used on improperly restrained horses by workers in a job with 80% turnover every 2 yrs, meaning less trained/skilled people using it. Higher miss rate than with cattle.
      Stolen horses are disposed of quickly. Horses are only checked for microchips after they are slaughtered.
      No oversight of transport laws, allowing horses that are unable to stand to be shipped resulting in them going down in the trailer, sexes aren't segregated resulting in injuries, horses are shipped for up to 30 hrs w/no food or water in violation of humane transport laws, mares that are due to foal are shipped (in fact some foaled AT the slaughterhouse).
      Auctions get away with accepting injured horses without getting them medical treatment because they "are going to slaughter anyway".
      Having slaughter as an option rewards irresponsible breeding.
      Having slaughter available puts a "false bottom value" on a horse by the pound, instead of by the pedigree, conformation, temperment, training.
      Horses that are alive bring more money into the economy than a slaughterhouse does (feed, board, vet, farrier). (Dallas Crowne paid only 5.00 in taxes for the yr before they closed.)


      Read the FOIA documents from ONE slaughterhouse in an 11 month period. These photos were taken by the USDA vet there.
      Click on the links at the bottom part 1-6
      http://www.animals-angels.com/index....link:linkID=48

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        #4
        Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
        Please Don't Feed The Troll.

        Thank You.

        The Management




        P.S. On the outside chance that this is not a troll search the many threads that have discussed the subject. It's been about done to death ad infinitum.
        I'm really confused on how this makes me a troll? I've never been called that ever when I've posted here before. I thought by searching the forums it would only bring up dated information, I wanted current ideas. Wow I really expected to get more from COTH. After reading all the hateful stuff someone said in one post I'm starting to feel like this place has nothing to offer but scorn and rude remarks. If you have no information to give me, then why reply? I'm trying to take this project seriously by exhausting every resource I have...how could someone possibly turn that into a negative?
        ~*If I had a dime for everytime I thought of a horse's beauty, I'd have enough to buy one*~

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        • #5
          A troll is a person who posts a subject known to incite a train wreck ie a type fest of back and forth name calling and fighting. On horse message boards slaughter is one of the easiest ways to incite a train wreck. Whether that was your intention or not is irrelevant at this point. Once the train pulls out of the station there is nothing much that can be done about until the mods lock the thread or County's fingers fall off. For future reference on any board, try a search first before starting a new topic. You will be sorting through threads for a week easily.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by BuckskinLover View Post
            I'm really confused on how this makes me a troll? I've never been called that ever when I've posted here before. I thought by searching the forums it would only bring up dated information, I wanted current ideas. Wow I really expected to get more from COTH.
            That you made an assumption and didn't even look for recent discussions doesn't speak well of you. I don't think you're a troll; just that you are not very observant of the community.

            This topic is debated about weekly on the boards, and nearly always devolves into a screaming match. Pardon the rest of the boards for not wanting to retread the same old issues AGAIN.
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            • #7
              Well -

              inhumane slaughter is, IMO, a glaring symptom of society's lack of humanity.

              If I start to think about all the ways in which human beings cause pain and suffering to animals - and other humans - I'll curl up in a corner and cry. So that's all I'm going to say about it.
              "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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              • #8
                And if you think one small remark was mean and hateful, you are not ready for a COTH slaughter thread. And we are sorry we did not do your homework for you in a polite enough and prompt enough fashion.

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by HelloAgain View Post
                  That you made an assumption and didn't even look for recent discussions doesn't speak well of you. I don't think you're a troll; just that you are not very observant of the community.

                  This topic is debated about weekly on the boards, and nearly always devolves into a screaming match. Pardon the rest of the boards for not wanting to retread the same old issues AGAIN.
                  Truthfully, the idea of checking recent discussions haunted me the entire time I was writing my post. I really wanted new ideas and I didn't think there would be a specific "pro/con" debate already, nor did I feel like looking through the boards which could potentially take hours. Lazy? No. I decided to post this while working on the project simultaneously. I figured I could kill two birds with one stone sort of.

                  I was also told by many fellow members of the horse industry that "true horse lovers support horse slaughter" so I also made the assumption that there would be a fair number of people PRO horse slaughter than there really is on this board I guess...Bad on my part again.

                  I have been on the boards for a few weeks and the issue was never brought up...but your probably right, I should have looked at recent debates. I hope I'm not labeled as a troll for an eternity now...you people seem to remember it for months...
                  ~*If I had a dime for everytime I thought of a horse's beauty, I'd have enough to buy one*~

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
                    And if you think one small remark was mean and hateful, you are not ready for a COTH slaughter thread. And we are sorry we did not do your homework for you in a polite enough and prompt enough fashion.
                    Sorry, I didn't clarify. I was reading another post about a completely different topic that I felt was harsh.

                    My intent on posting this was not for you to do my homework but to get other input? Like an interview sort of thing...Ahh well I guess you would be helping me with my homework but only in the most indirect way.
                    ~*If I had a dime for everytime I thought of a horse's beauty, I'd have enough to buy one*~

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                    • #11
                      If you have been on the boards more than a few minutes the issue of slaughter had been brought up. It NEVER goes away. I personally am as anti slaughter as they come but you will never see me engaging in the battle of wits over it because its an exercise in futility. I have been involved in horse rescue for over a decade, I have seen enough first hand to make up my own mind and no one else is going to convince me any differently. On the flip side, pro slaughter people will fight tooth and nail for their "right" to get the last couple hundred bucks for their horse's dead body and nothing I have to say would change that, so why bother?
                      McDowell Racing Stables

                      Home Away From Home

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                      • #12
                        Lauierace did a great job of describing a troll and by her description she herself is one.

                        Pros
                        1: Provides food for people same as slaughter of other species of livestock.
                        2: Provides jobs and taxes paid same as other species of livestock slaughtered
                        3: Provides an avenue of selling livestock that other wise has no or a low value.
                        4: Slaughter horses have the strictest transport laws of any species of livestock.

                        Cons:
                        1: Gives anti slaughter people an excuse to attack anyone that thinks differently then they do. Call them trolls, attack their breeding programs, rip their horses calling them names. etc.
                        2: Insult the people who survived the Holocost by saying horse slaughter is no different then that was.

                        Personally I've just never heard a logical reason to be anti slaughter. I don't care what another chooses to eat as long as its legal which horse is. I'm all for export of american livestock. I'm not into controlling what someone chooses to sell livestock to.

                        BTW Dallas Crown paid the exact amount the U.S. Gov., The State Of Tx. and the IRS told them to pay in taxes. Anyone think U.S. companies on foreign soil did anything more?
                        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                        • #13
                          how about not breeding shitty @$$ horses in the first place? There wouldn't be a "need" for slaughter. Oh, but that would put the meat buyers and the transport companies and the slaughter houses and backyard breeders out of business wouldn't it? Shame.
                          Fwiw, before someone brings up the "horses are livestock" card, I am also against the long distance transport and inhumane slaughter of all other species. I eat beef that is raised on pasture in the neighboring county. They never see a livestock trailer because they are quickly and painlessly shot in the head, then processed at a local facility. Why isn't all meat produced in this way? Perhaps horse slaughter would not be as horrific to me if it were not for the conditions the horses go through.
                          I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by cu.at.x View Post
                            how about not breeding shitty @$$ horses in the first place? There wouldn't be a "need" for slaughter. Oh, but that would put the meat buyers and the transport companies and the slaughter houses and backyard breeders out of business wouldn't it? Shame.
                            Fwiw, before someone brings up the "horses are livestock" card, I am also against the long distance transport and inhumane slaughter of all other species. I eat beef that is raised on pasture in the neighboring county. They never see a livestock trailer because they are quickly and painlessly shot in the head, then processed at a local facility. Why isn't all meat produced in this way? Perhaps horse slaughter would not be as horrific to me if it were not for the conditions the horses go through.
                            Actually, the number of horses here, doesn't determine how many are slaughtered. The slaughterhouses will only slaughter the number they need to meet the demand for horsemeat. We slaughtered 3 times the amount in the early 90's than we do now, yet there were 1/3 fewer horses in the US then. While an untrained horse is at higher risk of going to a killer buyer if run through an auction, only an owner keeping their horse can guarantee its safety. A well trained/bred horse can go through an auction, and if it is a poorly attended auction, it may be bought by a killer buyer.

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                            • #15
                              I agree that even well bred/trained horses can and do end up in kill pens. But such a horse stands a much better chance than the average grade with no training. Especially with the market so flooded, why bring poor quality foals into the world?
                              I saw the angel in the marble and I set him free. - Michaelangelo

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by BuckskinLover View Post
                                I'm really confused on how this makes me a troll? I've never been called that ever when I've posted here before. I thought by searching the forums it would only bring up dated information, I wanted current ideas. Wow I really expected to get more from COTH. After reading all the hateful stuff someone said in one post I'm starting to feel like this place has nothing to offer but scorn and rude remarks. If you have no information to give me, then why reply? I'm trying to take this project seriously by exhausting every resource I have...how could someone possibly turn that into a negative?
                                As noted by others this is a subject that generates a lot more smoke and heat than light.

                                There IS a lot of help here on a number of subjects. As I noted there have been many threads on this subject here and elsewhere. A short search would have disclosed them.

                                It's good Netiquette to do a search on a subject before starting a new thread on something "done to death" unless you've got a new insight. But how do you know a subject is "done to death" or that your insight is new if you don't research the question? That's why web designers put search functions onto news groups, boards, etc.

                                So, go and check those old threads. If you've got a question not asked then ask it. Establishes that you're polite in your net activites and not a troll.

                                G.
                                Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                                • #17
                                  wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee


                                  choooooooooooo chooooooooooooooooooo

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                                  • #18
                                    So for those who are accusing someone of being a troll would you say the anti people who make personal attacks on others and snide remarks are trolls also?
                                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                    • #19
                                      I think we are past the troll part, and onto the rails. Hence, the choo-choo reference.

                                      You will find that, if you search, County has commented on every single slaughter thread out there. If you are looking for the "pro" position, without any reservations, read his post above.

                                      Oh, that, and his motto that "I'm rubber, and you're glue, and everything you say bounces off of me and sticks to you."

                                      In any event, this topic has been done ad nauseum, and invariably winds up with high emotions on all sides.
                                      When someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE them- Maya Angelou
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by county View Post
                                        So for those who are accusing someone of being a troll would you say the anti people who make personal attacks on others and snide remarks are trolls also?
                                        Nope. Theyre just zealots doing what zealots do.

                                        G.

                                        P.S. What do zealots do? They follow an old principle I learned long ago. It's taught in law schools, but most of us learn it more informally:

                                        If you have the law, pound the law; if you have the facts, pound the facts. If you have neither, pound the table.
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