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  • #21
    I was always taught to close the divider and then clip the trailer tie on. With that being said, I often clip the trailer tie and then close the divider with my seasoned show horses (mainly because I'm loading by myself and often get lazy about it after a show when I'm packing up to come home).

    I think it's absolutely safer to close the divider first. I've also seen well trained horses spook at something and pull back before the divider was closed....definitely better that they didn't hit the end of the trailer tie and panic more.
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    • #22
      I close the divider first and tie from the outside. I do not want to be inside a trailer with a horse (no matter how well trained) any longer than is absolutely necessary.

      What advatage is there in tying first and then closing the divider? Why would that be preferable?

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      • #23
        I have not worked with a slant, but am curious as to why you would have to tie from the outside? Can't you secure the divider, walk to his head, and then hook him to the trailer tie from the other side of the partition?

        Horses not secured from behnd can decide to unload, and when they do that, and find themselves "stuck", they can panic. It can teach them to be a puller. Never tie a horse in a trailer that has not been secured behind if you want to do things the safe way. Yes, with a very quiet and well trained horse, you can USUALLY get away with doing it in a less safe way, but that is not ideal. I don't like to do thing in a way that I will "get away" with it. I prefer to not take the risks.

        For those of you that say you have to walk around to the outside, if that is really true, it would be the FINAL reason I will never have a slant.

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        • #24
          I have been hurt badly by horses pulling back when I tied first and then shut the divider. Broken ribs are no fun at all.

          I do not tie until the divider is shut.

          In a perfect world, all horses would tie so well that this is not an issue, but the world is not perfect and when I'm hauling horses I don't know well, I would have to be stupid to put my health and well-being on the line by assuming every horse ties perfectly in the trailer.

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          • #25
            Fairview, I am not tall enough to reach the level of my horse's head from the outside of the trailer-I'd need to stand on something to reach into the window and snap/tie him after the partition is closed. I expect the OP's trailer is like mine and gabz's-no running board. When the partition is in place, the horses' heads are blocked from each other-when it's in place, you can't reach the horse's head from the inside-unless you're on the same side as the horse, which is a very tight fit.

            As all of that is clear as mud, if you're curious enough, you can look at floor plans of slants on line, and see the problem.

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            • #26
              what do I do with my own broke to death horses? Tie then shut the divider. Or haul loose and shut the divider. No one is stupid about unloading. I haul JJ loose in the front stall of a 3H and he'll back his way down the whole trailer rather than make an easy U turn and walk off. Goof.

              Horses I don't know? Load, close divider carefully, then tie from the outside or haul loose.

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              • #27
                i am like thomas except that i am small so if slant i have haynet on the ready partition
                i put the horse in tie up to baling twine on fix ring and close the partition then go get haynet and duck under partition and stick haynet up to the fixed ring itself
                then do next one the same close the second partition then close the ramp and secure it


                if a trialer to 2 up as in straight up haynets are already up and tied to the inside ring
                also on inside ring is a bit of baling twine
                i get the neddy and then lead him up duck under the brest bar and tie the horse to the bailing twine then go and get the other one secure the breaching bars or straps then close the ramp check neddies are safe and secure and then close the grooms door

                if they have a bungie line or trailer ties then i make sure the horses are at the correct lenght same to with a lead rope

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                • #28
                  Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                  I have not worked with a slant, but am curious as to why you would have to tie from the outside? Can't you secure the divider, walk to his head, and then hook him to the trailer tie from the other side of the partition?
                  No not always. Our trailer has head dividers so it's hard to reach from the other stall. It is often easier to tie from the outside window...no big deal for us.

                  I fail to see how it's any worse that a straight load. You never tie a horse in a straight load until the butt bar is up and you still have to walk around to the side doors to tie the horse.

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                  • #29
                    With a straight load, the horse's head is above the chest bar, so they are quite limited with where they can put it. I can't imagine having to climb up on the side of the trailer, with rain driving and try to convince a horse to bring his head up to reach his halter.

                    With a straight load, I can walk back the empty stall while still holding the rope, attach the butt bar, and then go back to the front to tie. With 2 horses, I always have a 2nd person, so that is not an issue.

                    I love the set up on my new trailer. I can load from the side ramp, and back into a closed stall like a van.

                    My main reason I wouldn't have a slant is that you can't get to the front horse in case of emergency, without unloading the rest.

                    Can't someone design a small drop down/sliding opening in the partition so you can reach thru?

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                    • #30
                      You can. You have a groom's door and a front unload as well as a rear unload.

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                      • #31
                        Slants have an option of a front escape door for the first horse. They have to leap out through that narrow door-but still something in case of an emergency. But it usually is an option and not standard.

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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by Thomas_1 View Post
                          You can. You have a groom's door and a front unload as well as a rear unload.


                          Some trailers don't have all those extra doors. I know plenty of trailers that only have the rear doors and drop down windows. My trailer has one escape door in the head part of the first stall. No door going from tack room to front stall.


                          At any rate, I do it like Thomas. Bring horse in, hook to trailer tie (or tie w/safety knot) then close divider. Never ever had a problem. Only difference is I put hay nets in first--that way, the horse walks in and starts munching, and they're not really thinking about going anywhere.

                          Most horses, if they move, will stop as soon as they hit the end of the rope (unless they're confirmed pullers.) I would expect much more shenanigans when the divider hit their butt if they were loose, but whatever.

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                            #33
                            Originally posted by lesson junkie View Post
                            Fairview, I am not tall enough to reach the level of my horse's head from the outside of the trailer-I'd need to stand on something to reach into the window and snap/tie him after the partition is closed. I expect the OP's trailer is like mine and gabz's-no running board. When the partition is in place, the horses' heads are blocked from each other-when it's in place, you can't reach the horse's head from the inside-unless you're on the same side as the horse, which is a very tight fit.

                            As all of that is clear as mud, if you're curious enough, you can look at floor plans of slants on line, and see the problem.
                            Yes that is one reason why I tie first. My windows are so far up and I am short so I have trouble opening the windows. I can't imagine trying to tie a horse! What kind of trailer do you have? It sounds exactly like mine.

                            "What advatage is there in tying first and then closing the divider? Why would that be preferable" ZIL I do not know if there is an advantage. It is just the way I have always done it. I just wanted other peoples perspectives.

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                            • #34
                              I go camping a bit and so meet all sorts of folks who do it very differently. Some tie, some leave loose, some have breakaway, others tie with rope halters. Others have stock type trailers where they just cram them in and one person I know hauls the horse tack and all. Others insist straight is the only way to go. So unless I am hauling , I really don't make too much of a fuss-because when you meet people of so many different types insisting theirs is the only way and a yard of reasons as to why-well you just figure out your way-what works for you. For me I can reach over the divider without difficulty, so not an issue either way.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by cherham View Post
                                I always open the side windows, load the horse into the stall and slide the partition over and lock it up. Then I head outside and attach the trailer ties from the outside.
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                                This is what I do too. I drop the windows on the head side first and in they go. But mine self load so I don't have to walk them in.
                                I tie the lead ropes under their necks and send them in, then slam the divider, then do the outside.
                                I don't tie horses either until the back end is secure. Mine don't pull back, but you never know what might happen, better to prevent it than to try to fix it.
                                "Perhaps the final test of anybody's love of dogs is their willingness to permit them to make a camping ground of the bed" -Henry T. Merwin

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                                  With a straight load, the horse's head is above the chest bar, so they are quite limited with where they can put it. I can't imagine having to climb up on the side of the trailer, with rain driving and try to convince a horse to bring his head up to reach his halter.
                                  No problem...mine usually have their heads up eating from their hay bags or are looking out the window anyway. I also will pass the rope out the window and it's pretty long, so there's no issue getting control of the head. You can easily tend to each horse, give it water (I hang a bucket on long trips) and extra hay.

                                  Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                                  With a straight load, I can walk back the empty stall while still holding the rope, attach the butt bar, and then go back to the front to tie. With 2 horses, I always have a 2nd person, so that is not an issue.
                                  You should try to load two horses by yourself in a straight load. I have many times and if they don't self load and stand straight until you get back to the front to tie them, it's a PITA. I've had horses turn around in a straight load also...amazing to see one do it but they can!

                                  Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                                  My main reason I wouldn't have a slant is that you can't get to the front horse in case of emergency, without unloading the rest.

                                  Can't someone design a small drop down/sliding opening in the partition so you can reach thru?
                                  My trailer was custom ordered to my specs and it has a full size door for the first horse. I can also walk through the living quarters, open a door, and access the horses if I have to.

                                  My head dividers are bars and you can reach through if you have to. I suppose you could do a sliding head divider or something if you wanted to.
                                  Mine opens up to box stalls easily. We have it configured right now with three slant stalls open and the dividers are solid to the floor. I hauled a mare and a foal for a client and it was very roomy for the mare/foal. My tack compartment is on hinges and swings out of the way (without having to empty it) so it's like loading into a stock trailer from the back. Very nice for young stock or hard loaders.

                                  I love my 4H slant much better than the straight load I used to have. Certainly both types have advantages and disadvantages and it's personal preference to a large part. Having had both, I know what I like best now.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
                                    We have it configured right now with three slant stalls open and the dividers are solid to the floor. I hauled a mare and a foal for a client and it was very roomy for the mare/foal.
                                    Do you have a solid stud divider on all or like that thing I read in another thread about a rubber mat like thing that goes all the way down.

                                    That is about the only thing I don't like about a slant is if a horse got kicky, he could nail the neighbour's legs. My mare's great and I usually haul good easy loaders. I have a 3h and so if I don't know, I usually separate by a stall. But the rare occasion I have hauled 3 , I usually insist on not having a greenie. But now that I have a greenie of my own-my mustang-I am thinking I could put those partitions all the way to the floor as a just in case.

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                                    • #38
                                      I have a gooseneck Sidekick two horse step up slant with a dressing room. I do have a walk thru door at the front horse, and a door that connects the dressing room with the horses. I could open the walk thru door to tie the front horse, but I don't. I've had the Dutchman peel a front shoe off on the bottom of the door frame in the time it took me to walk around to his head. He was pawing, wanting the show to get on the road.

                                      I love it-it's roomy for the horses, and safe for me. The horses ride quietly, and it pulls great. I got it 3rd hand for not a lot of money.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by tkhawk View Post
                                        Do you have a solid stud divider on all or like that thing I read in another thread about a rubber mat like thing that goes all the way down.

                                        That is about the only thing I don't like about a slant is if a horse got kicky, he could nail the neighbour's legs. My mare's great and I usually haul good easy loaders. I have a 3h and so if I don't know, I usually separate by a stall. But the rare occasion I have hauled 3 , I usually insist on not having a greenie. But now that I have a greenie of my own-my mustang-I am thinking I could put those partitions all the way to the floor as a just in case.
                                        I do have solid "stud" dividers on all of my partitions but one that gets removed if we need a box stall....the last one is solid to the floor only and it serves as our wall for a box stall. I have not had trouble with horses not being able to stand wide enough or losing their footing. Most straight loads have partial dividers too. I do believe that horses can keep their balance easier riding slant or backwards than standing facing forward. You can try it yourself in a motor home or bus..a diagonal stance is much easier to brace against the movement of acceleration or deceleration.

                                        This was a pic I took of our trailer shortly after we bought it. You can see the full dividers I think OK. This pic was taken from the walk thru door from the LQ. It is much bigger than it looks in this pic.

                                        http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l215/ssluss/LQ6.jpg

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                                        • #40
                                          Thanks. That is a nice trailer. My dividers are similar, but I just have partials..Next time I go for service, I will ask about making it a full and see my options. I would rather be safe than sorry.

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