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  • #21
    Originally posted by BeastieSlave View Post
    For those of you (us) who wonder where those great old schoolies went.... the endings aren't all sad. Tales like Harry's are heartbreaking when we hear them and we do hear them too often. I can't help but wonder if we are not hearing the sweet tales, because because they aren't as 'emotional'. I know they are out there! I have some of my own.

    The farm owners where I keep my beasties had a couple of older retirees that I took care of for many years. They were old when I got to the farm and ancient when their time was up.

    One grand old fellow was about 30 in my early days at the farm and a local trainer would still come pick him up once a week or so to 'take him to work'. He would go to her place and give a lesson or two, then be back in time for dinner. After a while he retired from that too and lived out his retirement in horse heaven. When it was time to put him down, his owner was away at college and it made me sad that the only person there for him was me. I hadn't known him in his prime. To me, he had always been old and hairy - dealing with cushings and the infirmities of old age. I called the trainer and she came out to tell him goodbye. She brought pictures to share with me of the old guy from his glory days. They were pictures of a strapping shiny beastie with smiling kids proudly displaying hard-won ribbons.... Somehow, it was right that the trainer, who had known him back then, came to wish him well on his final journey. She wasn't able to stay 'til the end, but I was able to be there for him - with my new appreciation for all he had been
    Thank you for sharing. There are MANY good folks out there who do the right thing and BeastieSlave is correct that they aren't generally publicized. I would just like to see those that do the right thing rewarded.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
      If there was more awareness I think its would be a good selling point too. Like humane meat or green products. I guess just by stating "we never dump our horses horses" someone would ask what that means?

      If I had known what veal was I would not have bottle fed that calf. Like if they had said "lets go get day old calves to make milk fed baby beef" I might have asked

      So "Farm X, devoted to safety, fun, learning and loyalty to our horses" might encourage people to ask. Then other barns would follow suit.?

      Then the barns that do keep their horses make more $$$$$$$ and can afford to keep them.

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      • #23
        Back in the dark ages, I actually got to show a couple of times in Medal classes, as the BigEq was then called. I was a horseless teen who really wan't all that good.
        I rode a schoolie was was a scary combination of ugly and mean, but get him on course where he could gallop and jump and he was wonderful. Those medal classes are priceless memories for someone like me who didn't have a horse.
        Skeezix, I did move to another barn but always kept up with the schoolies at my first barn. My brother worked there and so I stopped in alot etc. Many years later when this old horse had to be up in his 30's I was horrified to discover that, while the BO was away the BM had "sent this horse away." He'd served that place doing everything from Medals to up-downs. he'd taught many a student to ride AND to respect! Had I known, I'd have happily paid to euthanize and dispose of this old soul.
        To this day I have ZERO respect for the woman who did this, ZERO. Just thinking about how old and frail he was and knowing how frightening that ride must have been for a horse that had been at one place for 25+ years makes me want to have her sent on the same trailer to the same fate. I just hope he's waiting on the other side and I can jump that big green rolltop again, but if that so-called trainer gets there first (not that I think she's going where he is!) I hope he kicks her face in, and he was mean enough here to do it.
        F O.B
        Resident racing historian ~~~ Re-riders Clique
        Founder of the Mighty Thoroughbred Clique

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        • #24
          The first horse I ever rode was a then 10yo QH named Bubba. That was 15 years ago, and as of October he is still living with the woman who owned the barn then. They've changed barns, but he's still with her and as well cared for as any of her others. I rode him for a year or so.

          The next real schoolie I rode was at college, named Stats. TB, rumor was OTTB, but no lip tat. He was donated to the school program, who changes the horses names and doesn't tell anyone where they came from; to help prevent students from passing judgement on schoolies by where they came from. He had navicular when I was there, and was on bute and all kinds of maintence. I wanted him when he was retired, but they told me he was one that his original owner wanted back, they were really attached. He was retired about a year after I left, and went back to his owners. I don't know what happened to him after that, since they would never tell me who that is. I hope and pray nothing bad came to that horse, I would have taken him even if all that was left to do was feed him his last meal and give him the humane end he deserved. He taught me SOOOO much about how far the bond between a horse and rider can go; I'm sure I wasn't instantly a better rider when I got on him, but we clicked so well he tried his damnest to make me look like one. I never made him work when he was off, and I gave him my all when I was the one 3 legged lame.
          You can't fix stupid.... but you can breed it!

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          • #25
            When I learned to ride as a kid some of the horses I learned on were kept till the end and some sold at auction and PT. Never went to any formal lessons we all learned on ranches or farms where we grew up and or worked. All of us were very aware that some livestock was used for food and it was all a part of normal life and the right thing to do.
            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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            • #26
              After a conversation with Lisa today, I believe I know her intention was to place Harry in a good home for trail riding. She said the horses she sold were good horses and deserve a good home. Sometimes personal issues come unexpected and in her case she was unaware of the impending problems, now she is divorced and is free to start her life again without that baggage. Without going into more details about her personal life, I just want to say that she is starting over, kept as many horses as she could and will build a new lesson program in MD. I wish she were moving closer to me again, she used to live in West Grove when I first met her. She's never had this happen to a horse before. It caught her off guard and she learned about his fate too late to stop it.

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              • #27
                Here's a thought to ponder: If the USA had a ban preventing horses being exported for slaughter, would the person who was "given" One Eyed Harry have then called Lisa and offered him back to her since there would hopefully be no kill buyers around to purchase him? Or would Harry be standing in a paddock at an auction house where someone might ID him and call Lisa and she might have gotten cothers to rescue him?

                Another reason to keep slaughterhouses closed to horses in the USA and to push legislators to ban exportation of horses for slaughter.

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                • #28
                  If horses were banned to be exported for slaughter it wouldn't change anything the law would be like in Ca. and could never be enforced. Only way to stop it would to be ban every horse from leaving the U.S. If I want to sell horses to say someone in Can. what that person does with them isn't the business of the U.S. Gov.
                  Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                  • #29
                    Encouraging contempt for the law isn't an argument against having a law.
                    I tolerate all kinds of animal idiosyncrasies.
                    I've found that I don't tolerate people idiosyncrasies as well. - Casey09

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                    • #30
                      There would be no contempt at all unless you make it illegal to sell horses out of country then thats all their doing. You can claim a ban will stop slaughter all you want same as the claim closing down U.S. plants would. Real life says you can ban something but those that want it will still get it the U.S. Gov. has tryed this before with alcohol my guess is they don't it won't work.
                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                      • #31
                        Lori, county isn't encouraging anyone to break the law, just saying that it's unenforceable, and the people buying and shipping these animals know it.

                        He used California as a shining example. California has banned the sale of horses to slaughter/kill buyers. Those sales haven't stopped or even slowed down, even though California law says they're now illegal.

                        If the U.S. passes an export ban, it'll be the same thing; people will find ways to circumvent it because it's virtually unenforceable.
                        Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                        • #32
                          BTW does anyone actually beleive the U.S. senate has any intention on ever voting for a ban? They've given no indication they intend on it, have stated its up to the states what they choose to do, and I would hope theres a number of more important things they would spend our money and their time on.
                          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                          • #33
                            They don't need a way to break the law what they will be doing isn't illegal same as Ca.
                            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by county View Post
                              There would be no contempt at all unless you make it illegal to sell horses out of country then thats all their doing. You can claim a ban will stop slaughter all you want same as the claim closing down U.S. plants would. Real life says you can ban something but those that want it will still get it the U.S. Gov. has tryed this before with alcohol my guess is they don't it won't work.
                              Tell me Glenn, have you ever sold your own personal horses for someone to eat? Or have you personally ever sent your horses to slaughter?

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                              • #35
                                I've answered that many times. Yes, in fact I've eaten horse its red meat a little stringy compared to beef and has a sweet taste. Don't like it as good as beef but much better then goat IMO.
                                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by county View Post
                                  BTW does anyone actually beleive the U.S. senate has any intention on ever voting for a ban?
                                  No matter what happens I hope they handle it better than they did the AIG bailout.
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                                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                  -Rudyard Kipling

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                                  • #37
                                    For sure!!!! Never say never but I'd be very surprised if the U.S. senate ever voted on a horse slaughter ban.
                                    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                    • #38
                                      Harry would have certainly had a chance and Lisa could have found him, taken him home and search for a permanent home for him. If she were in a better situation she could even just keep him. Ii would have taken him and offered him a temporary home for sure. I'm very sure at some point he would have found a good permanent home.


                                      Originally posted by cloudyandcallie View Post
                                      Here's a thought to ponder: If the USA had a ban preventing horses being exported for slaughter, would the person who was "given" One Eyed Harry have then called Lisa and offered him back to her since there would hopefully be no kill buyers around to purchase him? Or would Harry be standing in a paddock at an auction house where someone might ID him and call Lisa and she might have gotten cothers to rescue him?

                                      Another reason to keep slaughterhouses closed to horses in the USA and to push legislators to ban exportation of horses for slaughter.

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                                      • #39
                                        Bingo! A good law would certainly take some of the profit out of removing mass numbers of horses for slaughter across international borders.

                                        IMO, you have to work with what you have, if you have a poor law, you do your best and get it changed to fill in the loopholes till you reach the full intent of the law.



                                        Originally posted by Lori B View Post
                                        Encouraging contempt for the law isn't an argument against having a law.

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                                        • #40
                                          Not everyone thinks selling horses to slaughter is a bad or evil thing.

                                          I do think selling pets down the river is troublesome, but then, I think dumping them at the animal shelters where they'll be euthed is also troublesome.

                                          Heck, we can't keep drugs and illegal immigrants OUT, so how are we supposed to keep livestock IN?

                                          Y'know, this argument has been beaten to death many times over, and I'm bowing out of this thread. Pro and anti folks will never see eye to eye, and I'm tired of arguing the same thing over and over.

                                          Arabhorse out.
                                          Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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