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  • #21
    I am never there for my farrier. I used to be a farrier, so my farrier knows that if he sees me something is wrong. If I need something addressed, I leave him a note. My horse is a steady eddie type. Now my previous greenie, me or my b/o would be there for the farrier's safety.

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    • #22
      Originally posted by wendy View Post
      Do people with jobs seriously take an entire day off every time their horse needs a trim? because otherwise how on earth do you get out there every time? most farriers seem to work during normal business hours.
      I schedule my farrier appointments for his last appointment of the day and I leave work a little early on those days to be there.

      It is not that difficult, really.

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        #23
        Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
        Good on you for that but bear in mind something. Those with only one horse aren't worth enough money to be a PITA to anybody. Be a little careful with the demands.
        George
        I am guessing in the current economic turmoil, he likely wants to keep each customer he can > On the other hand, I am more then happy to give my business to one of dozens of farriers that work better for me( and the horse). I don't think I was asking too much... be present for the work?

        I work 3 12s overnights thru fri and Sat.So i my week days are essentially free.... and i have "broken" up my sleep before to make appts, go to school functions and soccer games....

        If I knew the farrier, i wouldn't have minded... but the point being I don't. I couldn't pick him out of a crowd. It takes more then one visit for me to feel comfortable with someone thier work and how they handle my horse.

        I have never "boarded" before,my horse has always been at my house or at a self care facility, so there has never been a question of being out there when the farrier comes...
        Formally Marinewife91

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        • #24
          At first I was always there, but once he got to know my horses and I got to know him he just fits them in when he has time and I show up to horses with lovely feet and get a bill later

          But not the second visit- more like the 20th.

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          • #25
            To answer the question about how to be there....

            Until recently, my horses were always within about 20 min of my office. I typically would meet the farrier first thing in the a.m. or a little later in the afternoon and adjust my work schedule accordingly.

            Then I used a farrier who lived quite a ways away and she and her hubby would come up and do the horses and then we'd play poker or have dinner.

            Now I trim my own so it's moot.

            As for veterinary stuff...same thing. I generally try to make it the first appt of the day so if I schedule it at 8am or 9am, I just work a little later.

            I have a flexible work schedule though.

            Shoot, my boss never blinked when I'd have to dash out of the office due to threat of bad weather to bring the horses in when I self cared either.

            Before when I worked more of a strict 8-5 job, appts were typically in the evening or on weekends. Same as appts for myself.
            A good horseman doesn't have to tell anyone...the horse already knows.

            Might be a reason, never an excuse...

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            • #26
              Originally posted by Ecks Marx The Spot View Post
              I have never "boarded" before,my horse has always been at my house or at a self care facility, so there has never been a question of being out there when the farrier comes...
              I think this is your problem. And I think you did not make this clear to the BO so they knew you wanted to be there for the farrier.

              I would guess that the BO is used to dealing with these things (hence the farrier called the BO) and they did not give it a second thought that it would be an issue. You have to make your desires clear to the BO or they are going to go with what their standard is.

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              • #27
                Originally posted by Ecks Marx The Spot View Post
                I have never "boarded" before,my horse has always been at my house or at a self care facility, so there has never been a question of being out there when the farrier comes...
                Then you will need to chat with your BO and the farrier and ask what the protocol is. They may have a certain working relationship in place.

                I am only making an assumption here, but with most boarding places, IF they are using one farrier, the schedule is posted. If it's a small enough facility the farrier knows the animals and the BO goes about their business on the farm unless there are special needs or a new one that came in.

                Larger boarding barns may have an attendant. Many, many owners do not come out for the farrier. But there is no reason why you shouldn't be able to, especially if you pay for the services that day. Nothing wrong with being a responsible horse owner willing to be educated.

                I'd give it another cycle and see what happens.

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                • #28
                  Unfortunately, when you have your horses at home and work FT, yes, you do have to take time off from work for farrier appointments. That is why, when they don't show up, I am PO'd. I only have so many personal/vacation days. I understand things sometimes come up, but that's what a cell phone is for, just call and let me know so I don't leave work for nothing. But apparently their time is much more valuable than mine.

                  Sorry, this is a sore subject with me right now. I just need to shut up. Either that or post a "dear farrier" thread like the "dear trainer" one.

                  Anyway, OP, I think the above poster is correct, you need to take this up with the BO since you're boarding. When I boarded I wouldn't usually be there but would try to come to an appt. now and then just to sort of catch up with the farrier and get his thoughts on my horses' feet. BO was always there, however, and I trusted her completely.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                    I think this is your problem. And I think you did not make this clear to the BO so they knew you wanted to be there for the farrier.

                    I would guess that the BO is used to dealing with these things (hence the farrier called the BO) and they did not give it a second thought that it would be an issue. You have to make your desires clear to the BO or they are going to go with what their standard is.
                    I made it clear to the BO yesterday when I was out I wanted to be out there. I never thought to involve the BO being I was playing phone tag with the farrier...and he was calling me telling me when he was going to come out, not the BO.... until the day he came out... then he called BO( who was out of town!). We made arrangements the FIRST time for me to be out there, I just assumed thats how it always was going to work.

                    its a small private 7 horse place, with 4 horses being the BO retired (25 years + old) reining horses. There is no set schedule of horses being done there that I know of.
                    Formally Marinewife91

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                    • #30
                      Well- I board, but I have been there 99% of the time when the farrier comes for my horse. this is because, even if other horses are being done, BO usually is not around because "farrier knows the horses and what needs to get done." Which is probably true, BUT
                      1. I like being at the barn and chatting with the farrier- catch up on all the good gossip that way. and also get chores I put off (like cleaning tack) done.
                      2. This is my main reason. I feel that it is a safety issue. I know the farrier has a lot more experience with horses than I do-BUT-I would feel horrible if there was an accident and no one was around. So, I choose to be there instead of farrier working alone. I also bring horses to him and put them back which I think he appreciates.

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                      • #31
                        I like to be there if I can but I don't have to be and the farrier doesn't mind either. Actually, it is really hard for him to give an exact time so it is give and take on both our ends. He will even pull the horse in from the paddocks and turn them back out.
                        Again, I'll leave them in if he knows what time and tells me but 9 times out of 10, he doesn't know. There are only three horses at the barn.

                        I think at a boarding barn it is standing practice for the owner NOT to be there and usually the barn owner or manager is the one in charge, so maybe it is her/him you need to be speaking with?

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                        • #32
                          I try to be there for my horse's appointments, but with my varying work schedule that is not always possible. Luckily I trust my farrier implicitly and my horse is pretty good for him (hocks are sometimes an issue in winter... but otherwise) so I don't worry much if I can't make it.

                          At my barn, you have to ask for the BO or staff to hold and there is a charge. Most horses are fine in the ties though so it is mostly a non-issue. Unless of course it is a boarder with a pill of a horses but doesn't want to pay the extra charge (but that is another issue all together).

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                          • #33
                            Well, until recently, I couldn't be at the barn during the week since I leave for work at 7:15-7:30am and don't get home until 7:45-8:00pm. For the most part, it's never been a problem. But I've always used my own farrier, never the barn's unless it happens to be the same person. When it was a new farrier, I was there, however going forward, unless they were available on the weekend, Ms. Mare just stood for her pedicure

                            Now, Ms. Mare is barefoot (for the last 4+ years). My trimmer has a full time job and can only trim on weekends which is perfect for me. She likes me to be there, and with the exception of 2 trims at the end of this summer (I was home with a broken ankle), I'm there.

                            If I were the OP, I would have a nice chat with the BO and farrier. Explain how you would like things to go, and if they don't concur - find a situation that suits you.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by JHUshoer20 View Post
                              Good on you for that but bear in mind something. Those with only one horse aren't worth enough money to be a PITA to anybody. Be a little careful with the demands.
                              George
                              Yep.
                              http://www.camstock.net/

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                              • #35
                                When I switched farriers, I was there for the first 2-3 appts as we were going to do some major changes since my previous farrier screwed my guy up. But now? Over 2 years later? He does him while I'm not there. Actually, no one is there from the barn but he doesn't work alone. And there is another girl who uses the same farrier. Besides that, everyone else uses the "house farrier". Which I have nothing against, but just like my guy. And I've never had a problem. I know when he's coming so I can tell the BM to leave him in that morning. Farrier usually calls me afterwards to let me know how things are, etc. If I have ANY questions, I can call anytime and he gets back to me quickly. He even turns my guy out for me when he's done so he doesn't lose a day of turnout!

                                I trust him. He's one of the reasons my horse is sound now. And I reciprocate by leaving a check for him so he doesn't have to bill me.
                                Last edited by LSM1212; Mar. 17, 2009, 02:10 PM.

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by Sneekers View Post
                                  If I were the OP, I would have a nice chat with the BO and farrier. Explain how you would like things to go, and if they don't concur - find a situation that suits you.
                                  Also "yep".
                                  http://www.camstock.net/

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                                  • #37
                                    I generally like to be there myself. I like to ask questions and take to him about her feet. I have a winderful farrier. But if I cant make it its not the end of the world. I trust him, he knows what hes doing and he knows how I like her trimmed. he also knows I am fairly knowledgeable and can therefore be slightly picky lol.
                                    he does a great job and treats my mare fairly, and mare likes him.

                                    I'm going to play devils advocate here for a moment.
                                    You said your horse has been barefoot up until recently. I am assuimg you are putting shoes on now?? If so, your horse may not be sore due to an improper or short trim but the feet may be sore due to all of a sudden beinf shod... I agree.. adress your concerns but I wouldnt be looking for a new farrier just yet..
                                    Love and Laughter - 2005 TB Mare - Boss Mare
                                    Foxfire Lacey - 2007 Half Welsh Superstar
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                                    • #38
                                      I'm always there out of courtesy.

                                      I also like to pay on the spot, and set up the next 1 or 2 appointmnets.
                                      Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                                      Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.

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                                      • #39
                                        I hold my horses for the farrier. I think it would be rude for me to expect him to come handle my horses all by himself. Besides, while I am holding each horse, this gives him to time to let me know what is "going on" with its feet, and make suggestions for needed care between his visits.

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                                        • #40
                                          My horses are home and I do make sure I'm always there for the farrier. But only because I don't think it's fair to him to have nobody holding the horse/nobody else on property. Heaven forbid he gets hurt and there's notbody else here. And standing under a horse holding a hoof up isn't 100% safe anyways.
                                          But if I were boarding...my horses would hopefully be mannered enough to stand tied when being shod and if the farrier didn't require me there that's fine with me unless I specified clearly to him/her that I want to be there.
                                          In this case it sounds like the BO didn't know you wanted to be there...and that the turnout situation already was annnoying due to the injury...and the farrier after playing phone tag for two weeks came at his earliest so the horse wasn't going to be waiting another week or two. If he didn't know you felt a need to be there, if the BO okayed the appointment then the farrier was probably thinking the client might be more pissed if they were kept waiting another 1-2 weeks for a time the farrier and the client both had free time together.
                                          I'd let this one drop and then just let the BO and the farrier know you'd like to be there for all appointments. And I'd also call the farrier today to set up the next appointment ahead of time so this doesn't happen again. It's far easier to pick a time when both can be present if neither person is waiting until it's time for the next trim.
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