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  • #81
    I am trying to figure out why people are getting so emotionally involved/bent out of shape about this. The man killed horses. The man is alive and well - and is successful. Nothing you can do about it. Are you going to have picket strikes outside Acres Wild? You live your life. Mr. V. will live his. I doubt your two paths will ever cross.

    I think OJ Simpson killed two people. Am I loosing sleep over it every night? No. I feel awful for all involved (except OJ). But there is nothing I can do about it. Nothing.

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    • #82
      I don't believe there is nothing we can do about it. We can try to make sure that PV is not allowed back into USAEq. We can not support him financially. We can educate people who do not know the history about him.

      "I can justify anything!"
      \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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      • #83
        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by 7/8:
        I am trying to figure out why people are getting so emotionally involved/bent out of shape about this. The man killed horses. The man is alive and well - and is successful. Nothing you can do about it. Are you going to have picket strikes outside Acres Wild? You live your life. Mr. V. will live his. I doubt your two paths will ever cross.

        I think OJ Simpson killed two people. Am I loosing sleep over it every night? No. I feel awful for all involved (except OJ). But there is nothing I can do about it. Nothing.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Here's one difference: OJ was never convicted in a criminal court. PV, by his own admission, is a convicted horse killer. (Perhaps there was just a better prosecutor in the PV case. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] )

        You can bet that if I had a daughter and she ever had occasion to move in OJ's circles (highly unlikely, but whatever), I'd sure as he$$ do everything in my power to make sure she knew about what OJ *had* been found guilty of and would do whatever I could to keep her -- and her friends -- from dating him.

        As a horse owner, I can do no less for my animals.

        I'd also disagree that there is "nothing" you -- or anyone else -- can do about. Sure there is. You can write to USA Eq to voice your disapproval of his potential reinstatement; you can write letters to COTH expressing your displeasure over the ad; you can educate other horse owners; you can make sure it never happens again.

        No, none of that will bring any of these poor horses back. But I, for one, *still* lose sleep whenever I allow myself to think about the confusion, pain and, yes, terror those horses must have felt.

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        • #84
          like someone else mentioned, we must not forget. The fact that there are those on this bb who are asking the question "who is he?" speaks volumes.

          We need to do all we can, and I am appalled that there are some who have posted on this thread that are willing to let this pondscum (no, he is a bottom dweller) keep his name out there---and more so are willing to pay this horse killer money to train them. They should be ashamed.

          I will be writing a letter to usaeq.

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          • #85
            Word of Mouth in the horse world is surprisingly powerful. There is a barn near me that is perpetually empty. The facility itself is nice; the person who owns it is not.

            The owner for some reason insists on trying to stay in horses, and to avoid all their creditors, declares bankruptcy every so often, and opens up under a new name. It remains empty.

            Why?

            Because every one in the area reminds anyone who knows about horses to aviod this person. This person cares not one whit about the horses, but about bilking every penny they can from customers. Word of mouth has kept this barn empty in spite of 5 barn name changes and 3 aliases of the owner. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

            ~&lt;&gt;~ Remember, the Ark was built by a rank amateur; the Titanic was built by a team of experts~&lt;&gt;~

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            • #86
              I can't comment on the PV thing except to say that I think keeping a low profile after being involved in such a negative issue would have been the tasteful, dignified thing to do, regardless of any other circumstances which exist.

              But about COTH (and other magazines') decisions to publish certain ads, here's what I learned a few years ago when I discovered someone publishing FALSE advertising, not only in COTH but also in PH and Equus:

              The FTC (which I called) relies upon publications to police themselves and their clients. The commission does not investigate false OR offensive advertising--only the RESULTS of it. I was told that if subscribers to the publication were concerned enough to communicate their displeasure, then there should be no reason why an ethical, responsive publication would continue to publish the ads.

              And it does happen every day in television, doesn't it: many networks and stations refuse to air advertising which might be (or gets proven to be) offensive (or misleading--which was the case with the ads I protested to) to their audiences.

              When I contacted COTH about those ads, I got nowhere (I don't remember what the reason given was, although LATER the publication did write the occasional update on the controversy in In The Country). PH and Equus, by the time I got to them (because their deadlines are much earlier) already had put a stop on the account because of the advertiser's failure to pay (or something like that).

              To be fair to COTH, however, this was all pre-BB and so I was out there all on my own, trying to bring an issue to light. I've no doubt whatsoever that, these days, IF people on BB's like this one who are also subscribers threatened to put their money where their mouths/fingers(?) are, COTH's publisher would probably consider the issue more seriously.

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              • #87
                in every horse sale contract you do, add conditions preventing the boarding or training by any of the banned folk, include the conviction as a reason.

                get this on the net as free ware and it will get in to wide circulation and be around forever as a reminder
                more hay, less grain

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                • #88
                  armandh - wow, not a bad idea!

                  Gambit - I'm sorry, I seriously need a sense of humour for Christmas. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

                  And WCPrincess, if you are reading this, I apologize and edited my post - I am actually the one who gets my panties in a wad about this issue, so I am sorry if I came on too strong.

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                  • #89
                    You are loffed, even when your panties are in a wad! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img]

                    "I can justify anything!"
                    \"Riding a horse is not a gentle hobby, to be picked up and laid down like a game of solitaire. It is a grand passion. It seizes a person whole and, once it has done so, he will have to accept that his life will be radically changed.\" -- Ralph Waldo E

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                    • #90
                      Mr. V. will live his. I doubt your two paths will ever cross.
                      _______________________________________

                      Not meaning to be rude, but I don't really see why you would say that - the horse world is a pretty small one, and there are a fair amount of us on the bb, and on the east coast, so it would be reasonable that at one point our paths would cross, especially if PV gets reinstated.

                      Anyway, we like getting worked up over this issue - I mean, what else would we talk about, helmets?


                      PS - Thank you Duffy!

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                      • #91
                        Does anyone have a list of the Trainers/Owners that were convicted?

                        Darlyn
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                        • #92
                          It seems the holidays make us ALL act a little wierd! Personally, I'd like to fast-forward through the whole thing! Wonder how I can do that??????

                          My horse bucked off your honor student!

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                          • #93
                            Anytime we see or know an ad is going to be placed, esp. in the COTH, maybe we could take up a collection to run a "counter/reminder" ad. Something equally tasteful [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

                            This kind of behavior in the horse world is only going to go away, if we ALL let trainers and owners know that it will never be tolerated.

                            Darlyn
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                            Are We Having Fun Yet?

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                            • #94
                              What a good idea!
                              Since COTH accepts HIS, I'm sure they'd accept OURS! Count me in! I say we get busy and submit one NOW!

                              My horse bucked off your honor student!

                              Founder: LOFL (lawn ornaments for life) clique

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                              • #95
                                I had no idea who PV was (I know I've seen the name- probably in the previous COTH ad he did) but now do. No, I don't do the h/j circuit but I do know people who do- and if anyone ever brings up his name you can bet I'll have a nasty word to say about him.

                                Keep informing!

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                                • #96
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Portia:
                                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Moesha:
                                  ... I am sure he will be reinstated into the USA Equestrian ... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  I agree with everything else you said, Moesha. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif[/img] But not this part. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Oh, Portia, I so hope you are right. If not, I will be forced to 'unjoin'. To paraphrase Groucho, I can't belong to an organization that would have him as a member.

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                                  Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
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                                  • #97
                                    Count me in if y'all decide to do the ad.

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                                    • #98
                                      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by gambit:
                                      What a good idea!
                                      Since COTH accepts HIS, I'm sure they'd accept OURS! Count me in! I say we get busy and submit one NOW!

                                      My horse bucked off your honor student!

                                      Founder: LOFL (lawn ornaments for life) clique<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Perhaps a yearly memorial ad to the horses killed by...

                                      and list those convicted.

                                      ****
                                      Just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
                                      *****
                                      You will not rise to the occasion, you will default to your level of training.

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                                      • #99
                                        How would a reinstatement hearing be handled?
                                        Is there precedent for such a case?
                                        "All life is precious"
                                        Sophie Scholl

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                                        • Do you think they'd let that fly?
                                          Yeah, a memorial would be more "positive"...with the killer's names added for the punch!

                                          My horse bucked off your honor student!

                                          Founder: LOFL (lawn ornaments for life) clique

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