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Fed up with boarding -- should I do my own thing?

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  • #21
    Consider this; required in addition to mucking out and feeding.

    Winter;
    Possible turn out restrictions due to weather.
    Blankets need to be managed.
    Double the hay supply.
    Frozen/broken water supply.
    Mend fences.
    Get up in the dark to freeze your ass off doing barn work.
    Manure disposal.
    Attend to worming and vaccinations.
    Order feed.
    Collect board payments.
    The ring is frozen.
    No vacation time.

    Spring;
    Fertilizing and seeding pastures.
    Spraying for weeds in the ring.
    Horses with too much energy to behave.
    Removing winter coats.
    Remove fallen trees.
    Mend fences.
    Manure disposal.
    Attend to worming and vaccinations.
    Order Feed.
    Collect board payments.
    No vacation time.

    Summer.
    Mow pastures.
    Rotate pastures.
    Mow pastures.
    Spraying for weeds in the ring.
    Mow pastures.
    Mend fences.
    Manure disposal.
    Attend to worming and vaccinations.
    Order Feed.
    Collect board payments.
    No vacation time.

    Autumn.
    Fertilizing and seeding pastures.
    Mow pastures.
    Spraying for weeds in the ring.
    Mend fences.
    Mend/clean blankets for winter.
    Manure disposal.
    Attend to worming and vaccinations.
    Order Feed.
    Collect board payments.
    No vacation time.
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    • #22
      I have had horses at home for 12 years, after boarding for longer than that. While I love looking out at them, I would not do it again. I have been tied down, missed family vacations, and the winters have been very stressful.

      And now I need to fix the wood fences - very costly. And we built the barn, and the two run in sheds, along with the wood fences. I am guessing we have $50k into those. And I am thinking of getting out altogether, but feel guilty about letting them sit idle - along with the tractor, gator etc.

      Count me as another one that would board if I were to decide right now. Let someone else with a big dream take over! While it might not be how I would do things, if the horses are content, so be it.

      I do not think I could lease a barn and not live on site. Too many things can go wrong. And any money you make in improvements are lost.

      But you can always try it, and then board if it doesn't work out. At least you won't be stuck with the property to sell.

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      • #23
        Well, most people who go from boarding to running their own barn suddenly become much less critical of BO's!
        I found the opposite effect to be true. Maybe I'm a control freak when it comes to my horses, but I still can't find the standard of care that I was able to provide to my horses when I was running a barn. Now, that being said, that worked when the barn was close to my house. Later, I tried it again when the barn was about 20 minutes away, and it didn't work out as well. It was just too far to be effective each and every day in addition to my "real" job. So distance and other responsibilities DO matter....keep an eye on that.

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        • #24
          I can sympathize with you. Having moved to several boarding facilities (some might consider me a barn jumper ) I was sick to death of paying for services that were supposedly provided to me during the initial visit, but never lived up to what was told.

          No water outside in winter
          No hay given all day
          Indoor and outdoor constantly used for turnout (my biggest gripe)

          Maybe it is just me, but I've found the smaller the place (back yard barns), the better the care. I've learned to live without an indoor, but care and no drama is worth the trade off.

          I would think having your horse in your back yard might suit you, BUT driving back and forth to an off site barn would get old awful quick.

          Do you really want to drive back and forth 24/7 twice or three times a day in all weather?

          I did rough board for about a month and was sick of it the first week and I wasn't even working at the time. (It wasn't my choice, but BO was divorcing and had to leave property asap)

          It was only a 15 minute drive, but it did get old very very quickly going twice a day 7 days a week until I could find a permanent boarding situation.

          I'd keep looking for that ideal situation. By word of mouth, through your local tack store etc.
          They are out there - You might have to give up a little, but when you find the right place, it is worth it.

          Good luck.
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          • #25
            Large boarding barns are businesses best left to those who run them as full time jobs with a convenient cash stash for the unexpected.

            Personal horses at home are best for people who love the "farm" lifestyle and really don't want to travel much or spend large amounts of time on competing pursuits.

            Small boarding barns run with a few friends might work if the size of the property is extremely manageable, and isn't the primary residence for any of the friends.

            When managing a farm, it is never possible to predict all expenses and horse related horrors. As I reflect on those just from my personal experience, it's hard to believe they actually happened to me; in total they become quite incredible.

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            • #26
              What happens if your help gets sick? Injured? Quits unexpectedly?

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              • #27
                IMHO, what you are considering is the worst of both worlds, boarding and having horses at home. You gain none of the advantages of having horses at home (no barn drama, no commute to see them, etc.) and yet still have all the down sides of boarding -- commute to the barn, having to deal with boarders and having to deal with people you've hired to feed/muck, whatever.

                I have had my own place for 25+ years, would never board again - but I have NO desire to board others, and you couldn't pay me enough $ to do what you're considering.

                As to people who say they have less time to ride at their own place, I really don't get that. I work full time, have an 11-hour day 5 days a week with the commute, yet ride every day. I have three horses I am riding and competing - and sometimes I ride two horses during the week after work, and go to the gym 3x a week. And I'm 50+. The times I've boarded a horse at my trainer's for a month during the winter, it took me WAY longer to just ride one horse than to clean all 3 of my stalls and ride one or two horses at home.

                Honestly, I think you are going to just be trading one set of problems for another.
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                • #28
                  If you do this, do it with your eyes WIDE OPEN. I own a boarding/training barn and even though I have numerous people doing stalls, maintenance, etc, it's still very much a full time job for me and I have GREAT boarders! I recently traveled to visit an ailing relative for a week - it was my first time off the farm other than horse shows in FIVE YEARS. I got calls from the barn/boarders numerous times every single day, despite leaving the barn in the care of responsible, competent, reasonable people. I can't imagine doing any more than caring for my own horses at home and having a full-time job off the property. Yes, maybe your horses will get their supplements every day, but who will handle an emergency vet call in the middle of your work day? Or a broken fence? Plumbing/electrical problems? Etc ad nauseum. Obviously, what you're describing does work well for some people, but personally I wouldn't even consider it.
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                  • #29
                    I really appreciate all of your feedback. You all have brought up a lot of good points, some of which I hadn't considered yet. While the company I work for is great and I do have flexibility in my schedule, given the uncertain job market, I think it might not be the best time to undertake something that has the potential to take me out of the office unexpectedly.

                    I think I'm going to pound the pavement some more and see if I can find something where the care will be more consistent. My concern is that it will be ok for X months then deterioriate like it always seems to do. For the life of me I don't understand why it's so hard to do what you say you are going to do. In any other industry you wouldn't be in business for long. I certainly wouldn't be employed if I made empty promises...

                    Someone asked if my horse was happy and up until about a month ago I would have said yes. The drama has resulted in a lot of changes and I swear he senses the tension in the air. He's been acting depressed lately and just isn't himself. Maybe he's trying to tell me something.

                    I appreciate everyone's perspectives. Thank you all.

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                    • #30
                      Frankly, you'd probably be happier if you just do assisted self-care somewhere. That way you get to oversee your horse's care yourself without relying on someone else, but you also don't have the hassle of boarder, because in IME, no matter what you do, boarders are NEVER happy.

                      I keep mine at home. Its a lot of work, but I love the lifestyle and I think it keeps me young and gives me a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Less time to ride because there's more work and there are always weather/footing issues on the weekends, but that's OK with me. My trainer comes to me, weather permitting, and I also have the option of trailering to an indoor.

                      But no way would I ever take in boarders! I let a friend keep her pony at my place for a month, and that was a disaster, I had to kick her out because the pony was a royal PITA and the friend never showed up to clean stalls, etc., as agreeed.

                      So, basically, I think running a boarding barn is a royal PITA thankless job, especially when you have a full time job already.
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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by IncognitoAlter View Post
                        I think I'm going to pound the pavement some more and see if I can find something where the care will be more consistent. My concern is that it will be ok for X months then deterioriate like it always seems to do. For the life of me I don't understand why it's so hard to do what you say you are going to do. In any other industry you wouldn't be in business for long. I certainly wouldn't be employed if I made empty promises...
                        I'd guess because the help unexpectedly gets sick or quits and they have nobody to replace them- the exact situation that prevents you from taking on the job.

                        Have you tried shifting the type of barn you are going with? Large scale/small scale, high end/low end, etc to see if you notice a difference?

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                        • #32
                          OP- let me say this: you just Have. NO. idea!

                          what it's like on the other side

                          you might think you do. of course. but. you. do. NOT!!

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by Ambrey View Post
                            Have you tried shifting the type of barn you are going with? Large scale/small scale, high end/low end, etc to see if you notice a difference?
                            I have, actually. I've boarded at big, fancy show barns and a small backyard place. The *care* was best at the backyard place but there were maintenance issues with the facility and my horse had a number of preventable injuries, one of which required surgery and a very long layup. I just happen to live in a part of the country where the boarding situation is widely known to be very bad. I'll put it this way, when I eventually retire this horse I won't be buying another one unless I relocate. I'll lease or lesson.

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                            • #34
                              Originally posted by feisomeday View Post
                              OP- let me say this: you just Have. NO. idea!

                              what it's like on the other side

                              you might think you do. of course. but. you. do. NOT!!
                              You are absolutely right. I don't have any idea because I haven't done this before. That's why I started the thread.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by LAZ View Post
                                I'd say yes, you're probably crazy. It is extremely hard to find someone realiable to outsource the feedings and stall cleanings to and I can't imagine you're going to be ahead of the game by leasing a facility, paying all the feed/bedding/hay/disposal/maintenance/labor/insurance/electricity fees. You will be the one that MUST, no questions, MUST show up no matter what the weather, no matter what the other plans, no matter what anything when something needs attention. You will always have to be attentive and vigilent for injury to the horse and pay attention to a "not acting quite right" horse. Then you will have to either take the horse to the vet or be there when the vet comes out--doesn't matter if a snow storm that is going to drop 12" of snow is occuring, it is -10, or it is beautiful weather. Other scenerios include feeding, turn out, horse catching and fence repairs when a drunk drives through the corner of your field, when the waterers/hydrants run over or freeze up.

                                I just spent well over $2500 in the last two days--fixing fence that was damaged over the winter in a couple of places and where someone drove into in and left without any comment to me in another place, and then replacing headers and purlins (sp?) and door rails on my barn because the sliding doors had given up over the winter.

                                Keeping horses seems like it would be easy and simple enough, and sometimes it is, but it is a full time job. If you want to keep your own horses buy your own property--that way you'll be spending your money wisely, even if the work gets tiresome.
                                And I would like to add that these things ONLY happen when you have a MAJOR presentation at work, a doctor's app't. that was scheduled a year ago, a lovely evening out that you have been waiting for...you get the picture.
                                Laurie

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                                • #36
                                  Hay

                                  Cyndi said: "As to people who say they have less time to ride at their own place, I really don't get that. I work full time, have an 11-hour day 5 days a week with the commute, yet ride every day. I have three horses I am riding and competing - and sometimes I ride two horses during the week after work, and go to the gym 3x a week. And I'm 50+. The times I've boarded a horse at my trainer's for a month during the winter, it took me WAY longer to just ride one horse than to clean all 3 of my stalls and ride one or two horses at home."


                                  Do you have an indoor because it's dark at 4:30 here in the middle of winter and by the time chores are done, it's just too dark to ride. And, forget it if it's 9 degrees.

                                  And 50+, shoot, I want whatever you're taking, YOU ARE THE WOMAN... Working/commuting 11 hours, going to the gym, riding up to two horses!!! And competing AND DOING ALL THE CHORES in one day!!! You are my hero!!! Honestly where do you get the energy?
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                                  • #37
                                    I've done both. I now have 4 horses at home and I am a complete prisoner to them. I can't even go out to dinner without trying to figure out how I'm going to work evening feeding/ etc around it. The best scenario I've ever had was a "coop" situation where morning feedings and turnout were taken care of by one person (who lived on the property) and we did all the feed/ hay set up ourselves so we knew EXACTLY what our horses were getting. 3 of us traded off doing stalls and each took 2-3 nights a week, which left the other nights open for riding. It was pretty much the ideal, if you have dependable people involved of course. If I were you I would look for something like that!!! Good luck!

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                                    • #38
                                      Lots of good comments. If I only had one horse (versus 17), I would happily board the horse. It's a whole lot less work and much cheaper. I also agree with the comment that renting a barn and running your own facility is the worst of both worlds. If you are going to run a facility, buy the real estate for it. In fact, now is a good time to buy property if you can get a loan. Otherwise you'll find yourself pouring hours of upkeep into a place that is not your own. I can't even beging to detail how much manual labor Mr. IF and I put into our farm and we work FT jobs, too. Basically we work 7/365. And we keep all our horses on 24/7 turn-out. I can't imagine handling stalls on top of it.

                                      On the issue of hiring help, my only comment is that there are I've had a number of people work on my farm over the last ten years. It's an field of employment that has a high turnover rate. So don't assume you can hire any help. Always assume that you are going to have to do it all yourself and have that as your back-up plan.
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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by lauriep View Post
                                        And I would like to add that these things ONLY happen when you have a MAJOR presentation at work, a doctor's app't. that was scheduled a year ago, a lovely evening out that you have been waiting for...you get the picture.

                                        How about missing your daughter's wedding rehearsal and dinner?????? We were lucky to make it to the wedding the following day. Sheesh!
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                                        • #40
                                          I grew up lucky enough to have horses at home. I just finished boarding for the past eight years, due to getting established in my career and buying property.

                                          I couldn't handle it anymore... and I do understand what the BO went through. She was a one-man show, cleaning the stalls and training horses. A total of 10 horses at the facility made this possible. I couldn't have been happier knowing my horse was cared for... I could go away or work extra without worry he wasn't getting the care he needed. I traded other things for this level of attention, such as turnout (he only got three hours a day near the end, much less than when I first moved him there). She was inflexible on many things, but afterall it was her barn, I understand. BUT, it was time to move my horse home for several reasons:

                                          1) TURNOUT
                                          2) Control over feed (no option at this barn)
                                          3) Drama... boarder drama that is
                                          4) Lack of true relationship with my gelding who I bought as a three year old and only ever boarded

                                          That being said, my horses have 24/7 turnout with access to their stalls. Therefore, if it rains or snows they can go in if they want. Blanketing does not exist. Heated water tub reduces time in the winter. A no schedule attitude when it comes to meals... meal times vary by 2-3 hours depending on the day of the week. They do have hay in front of them much of the time. I do have one boarder, my best friend, who in exchange for very reduced board (basically covers expenses) she picks the paddock and stalls 3 days a week.; The paddock is picked once a day, but this takes about 20 minutes. I throw down enough hay from the loft for a week, and I still use Smartpaks because the time it saves me.

                                          I work shift work, horrible hours. BUT, I feed a very natural diet of hay and beet pulp, so I can change my feeding times as I need to. And I have additional friends in the area with horses that I can swap work with... so if I want to go away for the weekend, a friend takes over and vice versa.

                                          I do ride just as much, actually more because I don't have to encourage myself to get in the car and drive to the barn. My gelding and I have gotten much closer over the past four months since they have been home. It has all be worth it. I did the horses at home for 20 years before I moved them into board and couldn't be happier they are back!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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