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  • #21
    Well, along with good pasturage and turnout, and stable, knowledgeable staff, I'd like a facility that is easy to use.

    Nice driveway for easy truck and trailer access, good trailer parking, good car parking - I guess what I am saying is I'd prefer not to arrive, park, get ready to leave and then get stuck while the feed truck or a ship-in or the farrier is unloading or working. I'd love to see well gravelled/drained gate accesses in the paddocks - No Mud!, and a good fencing plan that made pastures less of a hike. If you have the pastures opening on to a common driveable alley please make it really driveable with good gravel/drainage. The place doesn't have to have the most beautiful wrought iron gate but I sure would like asphalt on the main entry, or keep it up - no potholes or ruts or muck.

    Doesn't have to have an automatic fly spray system but I'd like safely, securely attached fans and good, safe, electric service. Could be a converted tobacco barn as long as the stalls are amply sized with good headroom and non-horse injuring surfaces, and the ventilation is good - ammonia stink is a no-no. Keep a stack of repair parts, fence boards and such, sure, but stash them where they aren't going to be in the way or where a horse that gets loose won't get into them and get hurt.

    There really isn't a way to keep a barn/facility clean, but keep it safe, tidy, organized and well-maintained.
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    • #22
      Originally posted by KnKShowmom View Post
      Our guys go out at 7 and come in at 4, weather permitting, and are fed at 5 -if they come in earlier for weather, farrier, vet, etc. and the stalls get dirty, they are picked before feeding and then again at 8:30 night check. Not a complete stripping, just picking piles and any obvious wet spots. It takes more time but saves on bedding, cuts down on flies and makes the barn smell much nicer.
      If the horses stay in, I clean in the morning and pick again at dinner time. If they go out, there is no need to pick again as I don't bring them in mid-afternoon. They are generally out 10 -14 hours. My stalls are extremely clean. One of the barns has 6 stalls in it and regularly only takes 1.5 - 2 level wheelbarrows of muck out of it for the whole barn. I use pelleted bedding and there is very little wasted bedding as it is very easy to sift and the wet spots kinda clump like cat litter almost.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by WorthTheWait95 View Post

        2) Excellent footing. Dragged at LEAST once a day (more if there are alot of horses at the facility). I'm fortunate enough to be at a private barn where we have the rubber footing. It gets dragged after almost every horse and my BO is constantly checking it and doing things to make it even better.
        Wow, what the heck do you DO in the arena that it would be necessary to drag it after every horse??!!
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        • #24
          I think the "ideal" facility is going to depend a lot on who your target customer is and what price point you are seeking.

          The ideal barn for a kid's trail horse may be very different than what is considered ideal for a facility catering to saddlebred show horses.

          Personally, the single most important issue to evaluate in looking for a boarding situation has nothing at all to do with the facility itself. I have been at truly impressive facilities with every possible amenity that s*cked because the person running the place wasn't particularly honest or caring.

          So my first priority is that the barn be run by a trustworthy, knowledgeable, caring horseman.

          That type of person can generally make any reasonably decent facility work because they will put the horses' welfare first and foremost.

          My horse is currently at a relatively small, non-fancy barn. It does have decent turnout, safe fencing, two sand rings and a smallish indoor. The barns/stalls are rather plain/workmanlike, but they are clean and safe and well bedded. The rings don't have fancy custom footing but they drain well and are maintained regularly, so they stay very rideable except in the worst weather (when we don't ride anyway.) The indoor is a bit of a hike from the barn, not ideal in the cold or the rain... but the path is lit for those like me, who come at night after work, and they sand the path or put ice melt down so it isn't slick. The barn is run by my trainer who is an extremely knowledgeable horseman, and someone with very high integrity. She personally oversees the horses in her care and pays a lot of personal attention to make sure they are doing well and getting what they need. No little bump or ding goes unnoticed!

          We will be moving soon to a much fancier facility (with the same trainer) because the trainer's personal situation has changed and for reasons unrelated to the horses, she cannot continue her boarding business. She has taken a position as a manager for the facility we are moving to and will still oversee the care and the (larger) staff of this facility. While there are some pluses to the new place - a larger indoor, more turnout, fancier barn/tack room amenities... to be honest I will be sad to move and lose the personal care and attention for my horse. You cannot provide the same level of attention to a busy barn of 30 horses that you provided with only 6-7 to look after.

          For the record, I do trust my trainer to make the new situation work; my point was simply that her management was the most important factor in my decision to board with her, not the facilities she offered.
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          • #25
            Since we're describing our "ideal" boarding facility we should also state how much monthly board we would pay for this care.
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            • #26
              One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet that is on my short list is barn hours. Some of us ammies ride in the evenings during the week, and like to have the option of riding after work...also, I am always a little leery of a place that doesn't welcome me on the property whenever I want or need to be (that said, I respect limitations on riding hours, just not on access to the barn!)

              Ability to choose and use your own vet/farrier is on my must-haves.

              Adequate amount of feed and bedding. I passed on a barn that limited a horse to two flakes a day (when kept in 12 hours of 24), regardless of the horse's weight or nutritional requirements.

              Also...one barn I was at was a very big lesson facility, and I was often frustrated at my inability to access the indoor/outdoor rings during peak riding hours...there were limited times when lessons were NOT going on. In the future I would not be adverse to a facility that gives lessons, but ONLY if I knew that as a boarder, I could ride when I wanted in an adequate schooling area and not be limited in access because of the lessons.
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              • #27
                Originally posted by saultgirl View Post
                Wow, what the heck do you DO in the arena that it would be necessary to drag it after every horse??!!
                Just the normal flatting/jumping. My BO really likes to stay on top of it. I probably averages out to every three/four horses since we tend to ride ours at the same time (so two horses each) then she'll redrag before her last set. Her ring is her pride and joy on the farm and she's self admittedly a bit OCD about it. She's constantly working on making the footing perfect and she has really done a great job. Its come a long way in just a year or two.

                It's so nice to ride on well maintained footing consistently. I fully admit to being a bit of a footing snob when I go to other barns now. After having a few horses injured due to poor footing I really appreciate it!

                Originally posted by horsecents View Post
                Since we're describing our "ideal" boarding facility we should also state how much monthly board we would pay for this care.
                I pay $550 for my barn which I consider to be ideal for both me and my horses save lacking an indoor. I would be willing to pay up to $650-700/month if an indoor was added most likely. As it is I would be willing to pay a bit more to stay there but I do alot of feedings and house sittings for free for the BO so we're both pretty happy with the deal. It's a private facility, no trainer.

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                • #28
                  I am so happy where I board that my husband recently offered to go look for horse property and I said no. They offer:

                  -Feed 3 times daily (by the BO except rare occasions where the boarders take turns for her)
                  -box stalls w/runs and daily turnout (either breakfast to lunch or lunch to dinner)
                  -1/4 acre private paddocks with large stalls (this is where my girl lives)
                  -All weatheer arena footing that is manicured perfectly (an indoor would be nice, but of the several in town, the horses aren't cared for as well)
                  A vet boards there and checks all the horses periodically at no charge. She knows all our horses really well, and partners with us all quite well. She also deworms and vaccinates as needed.
                  -the farrier visits 2 or 3 times a month (eveyone has different time needs) so a thrown shoe is no problem. He also knows the horses well and gets them out/puts them away, etc.
                  -excellent quality hay
                  -pens cleaned at least once a day, twice in the summer
                  -blankets, flymasks, flysheets and flyspray done to all horses in the same way the bo takes care of her own
                  -no over-reacting, but notification of issues
                  -knowlegeable horse people live on site
                  -warm water wash racks
                  -consideration of all boarders when someone new comes in-we all get along very well
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                  • #29
                    I agree that it doesn't matter what they offer if the BO/BM doesn't put their eyes on your horse everyday and know what is normal and what is not normal for your horse. I've been at facilities where any number of barn workers or boarders will be handling your horse, and that really doesn't work all that well.

                    My trainer has a double grooming bay in what looks to be a former carriage barn. It has white walls, bright fluorescent lighting and 2 huge heaters. It's bright and open and you could spend all night there grooming or soaking a bad foot and it would be comfortable. I yearn for one of those :-)
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                    • #30
                      1. 24/7 turnout in a very large area (grassy, woodsy, but not mud or dirt). Like another poster said, acres and acres where they can run and stay warm if needed.

                      2. If shelter is not provided, then there needs to be trees or whatnot for protection.

                      3. Plenty of good quality grass hay

                      4. BO/BM and staff that knows what they are doing and with lots of experience.

                      5. BO/BM who is easily reachable. They don't have to be attached at the hip to their phone, but able to return phone calls in a timely manner

                      6. Access to water 24/7

                      7. Indoor arena as well as an outdoor

                      8. Places to ride outside like trails, fields, etc.

                      I'm sure there are more things, but these were just off the top of my head.

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                      • #31
                        I'm no expert, but here are some things I think about:

                        - The people (in other words, who works there from day-to-day? what about weekends? are they friendly, knowledgeable, and responsible?)
                        - Turnout (the space, # of hours, etc. - I like a lot of turnout, but I do want my horse in if it is extremely muddy or if ice is a factor - I worry about falling)
                        - Hay and feed catered to the horse's needs (water always available, also)
                        - SAFE fencing
                        - Stalls cleaned daily
                        - Indoor arena
                        - Bathrooms
                        - Availability of extra services if needed (blanketing, holding for vet or farrier, etc.)
                        - Ideally, a trainer on the premises (I like lessons, but hate trailering)
                        - And, because no one else has mentioned it, HOURS. There is no point in being at a barn that isn't open when I can be there.

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                        • #32
                          Having a bathroom other than a port-a-potty is also nice.

                          And a sink that dispenses hot water in a tack room or lunch room or feed room is also great. I miss that about my old barn. Hot running water.

                          Manure management is a plus.

                          Also a place to bathe/hose horses. Somewhere outside. Or a wash stall if possible.

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                            #33
                            Just wanted to add some basic info. As of current, the plan is to have a 25 stall barn. BO will reside on the premises and has extensive horse knowledge and experience. There will be an indoor and outdoor riding arena, the ideal size of the indoor is currently planned for 100' x 200'. The barn and arena will be heated and fully insulated. Adequate daily turnout will be provided as long as it is not raining/storming severely. We are planning for two indoor wash areas with hot and cold water, along with bathrooms, etc. We plan to provide the feed, but will feed an alternative if it is provided by the customer. There are many more details in the works, but this is some of the core info. Your suggestions are greatly appreciated and I can't wait to read more of them!!!

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                            • #34
                              Specifics depend on target client and what their needs will be, and that is all over the map.

                              Bottom line, they are run like a business by adult professionals who say what they will do and do what they say. In writing.
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                              • #35
                                I have a few to add:


                                For Turnouts:
                                1. Large turnouts with run in sheds and plenty of water
                                2. Smaller paddocks for lay up injuries
                                3. Enough paddocks to rotate so that you have healthy pastures
                                4. Excellent pasture management
                                5. Good horse to acre ratio to prevent over grazing
                                6. Quality and safe fencing. Hot wire on top.
                                For the barn:
                                1. Big stalls that are airy and clean
                                2. Water buckets scrubbed daily (no auto waters)
                                3. Each water bucket has own water source
                                4. Fans in stalls for those hot southern days
                                5. Lights over each stall
                                6. Lots of lights in the barn
                                7. Big tack room with A/C. Big enough to be a lounge with TV
                                8. Big feed room with own H/C water sink, fridge, counter and A/C
                                9. Laundry Room
                                10. Bathroom with shower
                                11. Lots of cross ties
                                12. Most important: H/C wash rack with a drain that never clogs
                                Arenas:
                                1. Large arena (s) with excellent footing and stadium lights so you can ride after dark. ( I use to board at one place that had these and it was awesome!)
                                2. Round pen for schooling
                                3. Miles of trails to ride to give your horse a break from schooling

                                Staff:
                                1. Knowledgeable and friendly. Easily reliable
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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by VCT View Post
                                  I am confused.

                                  To you guys who want all day turnout, but also want the stalls done twice... what in the world are you expecting? At my place they go out in the morning and come in during the late evening. Stalls are cleaned after they go out in the morning.

                                  So generally say they are out from 8am to 8pm. When do I clean the stalls a second time? 1am? Are you people crazy?
                                  I pick stalls first thing in the morning and again at night when my horses come in for feeding.
                                  They have free access 24/7 and one of them just must come in to use a stall as his personal bathroom.
                                  If there's nothing in a stall, of course, you don't have to pick - but it helps to keep up with it so it isn't a major undertaking every time.
                                  This works for me, but to each their own...
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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by lotc2005 View Post
                                    The barn and arena will be heated and fully insulated.
                                    Save yourself some money - insulating an indoor is not necessary.
                                    I am in the often-frigid Midwest and my 60X120 indoor is not insulated.
                                    It is still comfortable to ride in, even on subzero days (if I wanted to ride then).
                                    My barn is insulated - just the roof - and even with Dutch doors that are open 24/7, it is always warmer in the barn than outside.

                                    Heating a barn is not always a good idea - temps over 40 can hold misture and lead to respiratory issues for horses.
                                    Why would you want to heat an indoor that size?
                                    Your heating bills will be ridiculous.
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                                    • #38
                                      Everyone has said some really good stuff here, so I'll just pipe in with the obvious: make sure the people in charge are knowledgeable and not cheapskates.

                                      Ugh, I've been to so many different places where people think it's okay to have non-horsey teens feed and clean stalls (in flip flops!), or just people that know nothing about horses in general. These people aren't necessarily "bad" they just don't know enough about horses to realize a clean stall and proper feed is important.

                                      These types of employees generally clean stalls poorly at best, often grain first then hay (why??? I've never understood why it's so hard to hay, water, then grain...) put on blankets in ways I couldn't even dream up, and so on.

                                      *Also, this isn't to pick on teens as barn help - I was a very horsey teen and worked at the barn always. I can clean a stall like nobody's business and put the horses' well being ahead of my own.*

                                      The types of owners that employ these types of people are often cheapskates that either don't know or don't care about proper horse care. So you get crappy hay that you don't get enough of, too much grain that isn't good quality anyway, and filthy stalls without enough bedding. AH!

                                      If you have a nice group of people (or person) running the place, that is more important to me than the perfect arena/turnout/facilities/etc.

                                      I'm at a wonderful place now where the owner is the trainer is the manager etc. She lives on the property and has one groom that helps with the feeding/cleaning/turnout, and I couldn't be happier. Most of the horses in the barn are training horses, so the majority of the boarders are very knowledgeable. My horse is happier than ever, and so am I = )

                                      So my short story turned long, but I think the staff is one of THE most important parts of the deal. A good staff usually heads up a good property.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by 2DogsFarm View Post
                                        I pick stalls first thing in the morning and again at night when my horses come in for feeding.
                                        They have free access 24/7 and one of them just must come in to use a stall as his personal bathroom.
                                        If there's nothing in a stall, of course, you don't have to pick - but it helps to keep up with it so it isn't a major undertaking every time.
                                        This works for me, but to each their own...
                                        Yeah, mine just never get that dirty because they are only in the stalls at night and they are cleaned thoroughly every morning. Like I said before, if they are in all day due to bad weather they get done in the morning and evening. I was just er, shocked by someone saying "I want all day turnout and the stalls cleaned twice a day" but whatever. No big thing.
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                                        • #40
                                          The Basics:

                                          1. Someone lives on the property

                                          2. Barn is well-ventilated

                                          3. Stalls cleaned DAILY

                                          4. Turnout provided every day, year-round, unless the weather is nasty (in my book, fellow Washingtonians, just being winter/wet does not count as nasty)

                                          5. It would be nice if they rotated their paddocks, but I have yet to see a single boarding facility do this (sadly)

                                          5. High-quality feed and hay provided, or if it's not up to par, they are willing to feed my own (paid for) feed

                                          6. Arena is maintained regularly

                                          7. Knowledgeable, polite staff

                                          8. Safe fencing

                                          And the extra perks I would like to have...

                                          1. An actual regulation size dressage arena

                                          2. Trails on the property

                                          3. Bathroom in the barn

                                          4. Wash rack

                                          5. Tack lockers
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