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  • i looked on e-bay today...the bidding was up to $15,000 for Columbia Debris....how terrible! The auction was ended, but the link and the bid amounts are still up there...10 people bid on this....I just cannot believe people sometimes.

    Michelle
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    • This is so sad and heartbreaking, and it really puts everything into perspective. That morning was my first day without my horse as I sent him out on a major trial. I have been so sad, but then I woke up to this all over the television and it made my problem seem incredibly insignifigant. I feel HORRIBLE for the children and familys left behind in this tragedy..these people were 15-20 minutes from home! How could this happen? The voyage was going great. They were truly brave souls and I know they died with loyalty. RIP COLUMBIA SPACE SHUTTLE CREW.
      Jaime

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      • To follow on the -sub-thread started by Hobson. The reason for space exploration is really two fold - first because it is there and we don't understand it, and second, because we don't know what we will find until we get there.

        "I'd be more tactful, if I were wrong."

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        • maudeflanders (I'm even watching the Simpsons as I write),

          There were several deep space missions scheduled for launch using the Shuttle. The reason for the use of the radioisotopes is that in deep space (beyond the asteroid belt) solar power is too weak. The plutonium is used in the thermal power generators. Galileo was one, Deep Space 1 was another. They moved those off of the shuttle and used unmanned vehicles to launch them. As far as I know, after Challenger, no plutonium was ever on the shuttle because of that accident.

          As for the risks, when I worked for Martin Marietta (now Lockheed Martin), we designed at a 99% success rate (1% failure rate) in our unmanned vehicles. I believe the shuttle is the same. The one failure per 30-40 launches was based on the sole sample of Challenger. At this point NASA has above a 98% success rate.

          Why do we go to space? It is a tool for learning. Many functions in biology, physiology, combustion, materials synthesis, plant growth are dependent on gravity due to convection (heat rises). By working in microgravity, we eliminate one of the parameters that define a system and thus we can begin to understand its specific effects. It is similar to blocking the nerves in a horses leg to diagnose a lameness. You systematically change the sytem in order to understand where things are. From what we learn we can then improve what is done on Earth.

          Reed

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          • hobson, you and I are on the same side of the coin, politically speaking, most days... But I have to tell you, investment in a space program still rates pretty high in my book, even if gas mileage isn't as good as it could be. I mean let's face it, the reason it could be better probably has more to do with the space program. The reason why it isn't, has a lot more to do with politics.

            And here's thanking all those 14th and 15th century monarchs that thought it was a good idea to see if a ship would fall off the edge of the earth. Oh and what the hell, thanks to Galileo too...

            "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." Albert Einstein
            Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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            • One of the experiments being performed by the Columbia astronauts was using special cameras to photograph desert dust clouds, to help scientists understand how the clouds affect global warming. Can't do that from the ground.

              I totally agree with jr, that the timeline of scientific discover has been greatly accelerated by space research. If NASA didn't need to solve the problems of space travel, we would be without so much of the science that has improved our health care and way of living. As jr posted: "It is the difference between evolutionary and revolutionary improvement."

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              • I visited the Kennedy Space Center right before they launched the Columbia. I have pics of her on the launch pad, if I find them I will put them up.

                Rebecca and Stewart (show name unknown)
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                • I live in East Texas, and we actually saw the space shuttle. We were all at the barn getting ready to head out to a schooling event at Pinehill. On the left side (west-ish?) of the horizon a really bright ball of light appeared with what looked like smoke trailing. We thought it was a jet at first, but it was moving so fast and as it moved we could see smaller pieces of light coming off of it and the smoke was thicker. We watched it go over our barn, on the horizon, and took guesses at what it was, until all the pieces had fallen away and the light had faded. Then we heard a low rumbling that lasted for quite a long time and you could kind of feel it. We went back to getting ready to leave and loading horses, but about an hour later, as we are traveling to the event, we turn on the radio to find out that what we saw was the space shuttle.
                  I called my home (30 minutes away from the barn) to find out that everyone in that town thought there was an earthquake from the noise and the way the houses shook. It even shook the glass out of my patio door.
                  Anyway, they are finding debris all around us, along with other more morbid items.
                  Rhode Islands are red;
                  North Hollands are blue.
                  Sorry my thoroughbreds
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                  • A note from my friend, Meg McKinney Simle (the Southern Living Journalist whom you may remember wrote about Rolex last year). Her ex-husband, Bob Simle, also does a lot of work for NASA. (Reed - did/do you know him?)

                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Just to let you know, Bob and I talked this am re Columbia tragedy.
                    He says he didn't have anything on this shuttle from his lab, but other folks in his lab did. It's communications data stuff (he used bigger words). He says mood there in Houston is really really bad; entrance to NASA is filled w/flowers, etc. (like tv news camera s show). He says his lab will have a meeting Monday morning, with reviews, reviews, reviews. Fortunately, he won't be directly involved.
                    He also completely discounts conspiracy theories due to the Israeli astronaut on board, but doesn't think anyone will believe what NASA says about that.
                    I think he and many, many, many others** are dreading Monday morning.
                    And, believe it or not, the University of Alabama-Birmingham's medical school had 3 trays of lab experiments on board. Local tv showed mock-ups of the very thin, sealed, test tube trays that were on Columbia...

                    **about 10,000 Houstonians are employed, one way or another, by NASA, fyi. A tragedy is a personal to everyone. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

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                    • On a lighter note, talloaks posted the following:
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                      A lesson in "night" geography......

                      This is awesome! It looks too peaceful to be OUR world.

                      Enjoy-Some of you may have seen this before, but in case -----

                      See below. Just takes a few seconds. The image is a panoramic view of the world from the new space station. It is a night photo with the lights clearly indicating the populated areas.

                      You can scroll East-West and North-South. Note that Canada's population is almost exclusively along the US border. Moving east to Europe, there is a high population concentration along the Mediterranean Coast. It's easy to spot London, Paris, Stockholm and Vienna. Note the development of Israel compared to that of the Arab countries. Note the Nile River and the rest of the "Dark Continent." After the Nile, the lights don't come on again until Johannesburg.

                      Look at the Australian Outback and the Trans-Siberian Rail Route. Moving east, the most striking observation is the difference between North and South Korea. Note the density of Japan.

                      What a piece of photography. It is an absolutely awesome picture of the Earth taken from the Boeing built Space Station last November on a perfect night with no obscuring atmospheric conditions. Thought you all would enjoy it....OPEN

                      http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ima...s_dmsp_big.jpg

                      "There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man." Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)

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                      • Actually, JER, we have been watching (and still are) footage of that plant explosion over and over for a week.

                        Also those folks have NOT been forgotten. A fund has been set up and so far over 107K has been raised. That community has pulled together and will be OK if West Pharm. rebuilds. Things will be really tough if they don't. This was especially hard on an area that hasn't fully recovered from Floyd.
                        'Computers are useless. They can only give you answers.'
                        - Pablo Picasso

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                        • Hmm...I saw Colombia's first flight in '81.

                          So tragic. But those people died living their dream!

                          **BARB***

                          **BARB***

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                          • Uh, I don't think 'money will be pouring in' for the astronauts' families. What on earth gave you that idea? These people aren't asking for anything.

                            A former shuttle pilot said yesterday that when he piloted the shuttle they had a list of 1500 parts that were called critical firsts or something, and this meant that if any one of those 1500 little parts malfunctioned it 'meant disaster' for them and they would not return.

                            So these brave, brilliant people and their families know exactly the risks involved and do it anyway, which is one of the many reasons we so admire them and are so touched by them. But they NEVER take anything for granted, ever.

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                            • Lily, what a great photograph!

                              And what an observation of population densities. I wanna go live in a "dark spot" That place in the lower right hand corner looks kind of nice

                              "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." Albert Einstein
                              Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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                              • Actually, Lily, that's a composite picture. There's no such thing as a perfectly clear night everywhere on the planet.

                                It's all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)
                                "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                • Actually, it's never night everywhere on the planet at the same time, so therefore the composite (but I think Lily already knew that).

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                                  • Hobson - I understand what you are saying and (OHMIGOD) I agree with you. I can live without velcro quite nicely.

                                    My compassion goes out to the families the astronauts left behind. And let's also send some compassion to the families of the four boys killed in that tank explosion in Afghanistan last week.

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                                    • Anne FS,

                                      I guess that should go without saying, shouldn't it?

                                      I was thinking in terms of one rotation where night falls everywhere and it's perfectly clear everywhere--which is impossible and not what that picture is of. I would hope no one out here would be confused enough to think that it's night everywhere on the planet at the same time!

                                      It's all about ME, ME, ME!!! (The only signature worthy of a real DQ.)
                                      "And I'm thinking you weren't burdened with an overabundance of schooling." - Capt Reynolds "Firefly"

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                                      • This was sent to me. She OK'd it to be forwarded on. Interesting perspective, I think.

                                        Nancy is on my MOreRescue group and lives in Nagadoches, where the
                                        shuttle fell to earth. She wanted everyone to have an idea of what they
                                        have been experiencing. It gives a whole different perspective. Pass it on
                                        with her permission. vk

                                        ~~~~~~~~~~~~
                                        For those of you who don't know, I work as a nite auditor at a La
                                        Quinta Motel in town. So I get to see the comings and goings of people in
                                        the wee hours of the morning when they are feeling a bit more open and
                                        talkative. Last nite was no exception.

                                        We had the whole alphabet soup of groups still checking in after 11pm
                                        when I got there. The FBI, the DPS troopers, the FEMA people. The
                                        National Guard had a number of our rooms reserved, and it seemed to me the
                                        Guard personnel got younger looking as the nite went on. They were so
                                        proud of themselves in their uniforms! But some of them looked like they
                                        would really rather be home with Mom than out here doing what they were
                                        trained to do. They reminded me of boy scouts on a camping trip.

                                        The newspapers were represented. San Antonio, Dallas, Ohio, California,
                                        Washington DC. Then London, The Associated Press, European
                                        Broadcasting, even Tokyo. Some of them had been called to Nacogdoches from trips
                                        they were taking in other countries, one from a vacation with the
                                        grandkids. They traded stories in the lobby about how big of a piece of debris
                                        they saw that day, it was like men swapping fish stories at a country
                                        store.

                                        When Sharon dropped off the newspaper this morning she told me she has
                                        a guard in her front yard standing over a computer board, complete with
                                        serial numbers. (the board, not the guard.) She is torn between keeping
                                        him or planting an ivy on him.

                                        When I got ready to leave this morning the traffic was light for a
                                        change. There was a film covering my car, I had to wash the windows so I
                                        could see out. I didn't speculate what that dust could contain.

                                        Driving home I saw areas dotted with orange traffic cones with debris
                                        in the center. Each cone sculpture had one of the Boy Scouts standing
                                        guard over it until it could be processed, tagged and picked up. It was
                                        scary seeing my little town dotted with uniformed personnel - thank
                                        goodness they didn't have guns slung over their shoulders! I wondered what
                                        it would be like to live in a country where uniforms and guns were
                                        commonplace. I stopped to talk to one of the guards and look at "his"
                                        debris pile much as I would stop at a flea market booth. There were chunks
                                        of metallic things there that looked like giant car parts to me. One
                                        looked like a huge brake shoe, a couple of pieces looked like battery
                                        terminals for monster cars. A couple were coated with a white sheen. I took
                                        pictures - not digital, so it will be a while before they are
                                        developed. It felt ghoulish to stop, even worse to take pictures but I did it
                                        anyways. The guard had been there since 9am the morning before - almost
                                        24 hours. I offered to bring him a meal but he pointed to a row of fruit
                                        juice containers and take out foods neatly lined up at the curb and
                                        declined.

                                        There is an overall, almost carnival like feeling on the surface - a
                                        "where were you and what were you doing when you heard" and "how big of a
                                        piece did you see?" feeling. But underlying all the excitement of being
                                        in the spotlight there is an anxiety, a sadness in Nacogdoches that is
                                        almost palpable but just out of reach. (I'm mixing my metaphors,
                                        hopefully you understand if you've read this far.) Seeing those parts in the
                                        road surrounded by every day orange cones, seeing the Guardsman who is
                                        barely old enough to shave standing over them, washing away the film
                                        from my car windows. I cried on the way home today.

                                        Nancy Hinds
                                        Nacogdoches, TX
                                        Independent

                                        http://www.pelosanimais.com/pages/free_me.php ****Disturbing images--view at your owe discretion***
                                        \"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a wand and a strip search.\"

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                                        • Maybe it's because I saw the Challenger explode when I was a little kid, maybe it's because of the whole 9-11 thing, maybe it's because I put my 17 year old cat down at 10am on Saturday, but for some reason, the loss of Columbia hasn't affected me emotionally very much. Maybe it's because a homeless man froze to death in Omaha a couple weeks ago, and that's just hits much closer to home.

                                          I think it's great that numerous scientific and technologic advances have been made because of the space program. Hobson raises a really good question though: why are these advances not made in the course of R&D for other things? Was there not a need to closely monitor hospital patients before the space program? Did people not need an easy fastening system for children's shoes? Would Tang not have come along of it's own accord? What is different about the space program that leads it bring these advances that extend into our every day lives?

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