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  • I know I wasn't going to post here, but...

    THANKYOU, TOBI!!!!!

    I can't believe some of you who can't see the problem with burning rockstarr and Miniwelsh in effigy. Grow up, please, and move on. If you don't see the unfairness of rockstarr and Mini getting banned, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

    *EMMA*

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    • And, just for the record, I have gotten NINE (count 'em, nine) e-mails applauding me for pointing this immoderation out. I guess I just happened to have the nerve to say what several others were dying to . . .

      Oh, and Erin--I know once you accused me of lying about receiving an e-mail because my e-mail address is not posted in my profile (I don't make this stuff up, guys). Well, I have given it out in several threads and apparently people felt passionately enough about this to go find it.

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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Tobi:
        (exactly how many days does it take to get to 25 pages)?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        I've already stated I have no understanding of yesterday's events (nor do I care to) but given that historically we've (collectively) been able to post 5+ pages in less than an hour on a particularly 'hot' topic...a 25-page topic could appear in as little as 5 hours. Seriously though, there have been several topics that reach that length in just over a day. Apparently, however, I never saw or opened this particular 25-pager either, so I really can't comment if it was a 'hot' topic or not (despite the supposed sexual content).

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by commodore:
          And, just for the record, I have gotten NINE (count 'em, nine) e-mails applauding me for pointing this immoderation out. I guess I just happened to have the nerve to say what several others were dying to . . .<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          WOW! NINE?? Out of 7,000 members??? I'm certainly impressed.

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          • Well said ETBW! I'm tired of having to wade through the OT threads and tangential threads to get to the threads that are actually what the boards are supposed to be for!

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            (formerly known as "GreyMareMom"!)

            [This message was edited by Madison on Jan. 17, 2003 at 03:25 PM.]

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            • Call me "beige," but the last thing I want to see is this tremendous opportunity being taken away. And it is just that, an opportunity. A great way to share ideas, comfort, support. What it is NOT for is mean spirited, bitter, antagonistic remarks. Anyone else feel they could do as great a job as Erin does? I doubt it. Commodore, you tell of these supportive emails you received. Be that the case, perhaps these people would be better served having the decency to email them to Erin.

              What I found particulary offensive was the fact Miniwelsh and Rockstarr went on and on and on about poor Colin and her bad treatment. And then, we don't hear another thing from either of those two until there is yet another pot to stir.

              While we're on the subject of emails, without invitation one of the aforementioned took it upon herself to send me a caustic email which bordered on the bizarre. It was another example of being "way out there" in order to cause trouble. Quite frankly, I found it amusing.

              "If you are going through hell, keep going." ~Churchill~
              \"If you are going through hell, keep going.\" ~Churchill~

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by -Emma-:
                I Grow up, please, and move on. If you don't see the unfairness of rockstarr and Mini getting banned, then there is no point continuing this discussion.

                <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                That's a pretty one-sided view Emma: "If you don't see the unfairness don't post".

                Now isn't that sort of like, if you don't like a topic don't read it? Which is what Miniwelsh and Rockstar didn't bother to do in the first place with the Aiden threads. I find it ironic that you are now advocating that same practice that got them in trouble in the first place!

                And again, it wasn't so much what they did, but how they went about it. Coming out in complete attack mode at the get go doesn't usually bode well for a civil discussion.

                Despite all of Moesha's protests at how "nice and caring" Miniwelsh and Rockstar are, they sure didn't do a good job of showing that to those of us who don't know them, and their posts, unfortunately, is all we have to go on to base our opinion.

                And based on their recent actions, I can honestly say I;m not sure I want to know them.

                By the way, where are all these other people who so vehemently disagree with the moderating? I keep seeing reference to all these people, but only a handful have said anything. If you feel that strongly about it, why not post? Otherwise even referring to "others who disagree" is pretty useless.

                I could just as easily say there are "hundreds" who agree with me!

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                • To respond to Serendipity, actually nine e-mails is quite a lot in a span of 45 minutes, especially when I am pretty certain that NOT ALL 7,000 members are currently online. It is because of this mean-spirited, biased sarcasm that I have abandoned (except for today!) these boards.

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Janeway:
                    Despite all of Moesha's protests at how "nice and caring" Miniwelsh and Rockstar are, they sure didn't do a good job of showing that to those of us who don't know them, and their posts, unfortunately, is all we have to go on to base our opinion
                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    I was no longer arguing on this thread because, like I said, there is no point for it to continue. Furthermore, Mini and rockstarr are NOT able to defend themselves here, and if anyone should choose to search for posts by them I would think that you would see that their histories show dedication and knowledge as well as compassion. Like I said, if people aren't seeing why it's wrong, then this conversation has devolved to a bash of rockstarr and Mini, who, like I said, are not able to defend themselves.

                    *EMMA*

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                    • Since I have the uncanny ability to kill threads, I thought my posting on this one would please everybody (well, MOST!)

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                      • I was not protesting, but merely stating the actual facts of peoples real lives not the inaccurate descriptions people having been forming through posts on cyberspace. No one here is unfortunately gifted enough to be able to tell what kind of a person someone is from any post. You have no way of knowing with even 100% certainty that the same person is even sitting at the keyboard each time under the same username. There are people on here with Alters that others are clearly unaware of. I am not condoning Colin's behavior or her sense of humor or misuse of. I ahve met her, and we got along very well in person and I watched her ride last year at the Middleburg Classi horse show. She is a beautiful rider with an amazing feel for a horse and her empathy for the horse she is riding and the horses respect her and perfomr beautifully under her. That is all I can say about her. People come to the internet for a vairiety of reaons, to have fun, to seek advice, to date, to buy things to learn, to escape from reality, etc, etc. The list goes on and on. A person is not free of responsibility of tehir behvaior and how it affects others...and that goes for all of us. What strikes me as so odd is that people who have shown so much compassion and unity over certain ideas and events, and who view any of the "mentioned" "offending threads" or "posters" one would thinkg would go with the saying that two wrongs don't make a right, and if they felt Miniwelsh and Rockstarr were "out of line" then a more in line to their supposed morals and values type of response would prevail.
                        "All life is precious"
                        Sophie Scholl

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                        • Nope, sorry--didn't kill it. just wanted to chime in and agree with Emma that it is TOTALLY uncalled for and unfair to disparage rockstarr and miniwelsh when they cannot be here to defend themselves because of someone's letting their little bit of authority go to their head.

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                          • I hold the title "thread killer" So, hopefully between Jetsmom and myself, this will die a sudden death and we will all agree to disagree, but with a renewed sense of comraderie that dissenting opinions aren't worth getting angry over and a healthy differing of viewpoints makes this place a lot of fun.

                            "A horse which stops dead just before a jump thus propels its rider into a graceful arc provides for general merriment" - Duke of Edinburgh

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                            • RIP

                              My horse bucked off your honor student!

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                              • You know what? they ARE worth getting angry over when you are being personally attacked by the moderator of a board on which you would like to participate. For example, I am going to London in a couple months to visit one of my best friends and was TOO AFRAID OF BEING SENT a personal attack e-mail by Erin to post my question of where to purchase a Patey in London. That is a sad statement about the affairs of the BB, it has affected the extent of the horsey community to which I have access, and it has caused me to lose contact with many of the friends I have made on this board. And that is something to get upset about.

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                                • OK. I wasn't going to contribute because I find the devolution of the boards depressing, but I have an honest question. Not meaning to "stir the pot," but why wasn't the "If you don't like it, don't read it" dictum applied to Colin?

                                  I don't know her personally, and I did find a lot of her posts to be meanspirited, of no interest to me, or both. So when she was active, I skipped reading her posts. But I didn't think she needed to be kicked off. It was like life; if there are people that get under your skin, it's simplest to avoid them.

                                  I didn't read the Aiden threads, either. Not that I didn't care, but honestly, for a long time I assumed he was a sick horse. I didn't mind them being there, I just wasn't interested.

                                  I didn't read any of the threads at issue here, either: the sexually explicit thread, or rockstarr and miniwelsh's responses. I do know, however, that their objections did come from a genuine concern and outrage about juniors being exposed to inappropriate material. Irritation at what they saw as hypocrisy and favoritism on the part of the moderators was secondary.

                                  And despite the fact that posting here is a priviledge, not a right, it doesn't ring true or fair when the stated rules are applied inconsistently. And I do think they were here.

                                  I guess I just have to add my name to the list of people who don't like the way the board is moving--I have made great friends here, including rockstarr, and have definitely gotten, and given, substantial emotional support here, but the emphasis on this place as a feel-good, family substitute is getting to be too much. I just wanted to talk about horses with smart, knowledgable, funny people. And they seem to be getting picked off like flies...

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> TOO AFRAID OF BEING SENT a personal attack e-mail by Erin to post my question of where to purchase a Patey in London. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Gimme a freaking break. The helmet nazi's would get you way before Erin even read your post.

                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> and it has caused me to lose contact with many of the friends I have made on this board. And that is something to get upset about. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Noone, thats right NOONE from the BB is preventing you from sending an email to someone you know or picking up your phone and calling them. You lost contact with people because you haven't made an effort!

                                    There are lots and lots of comments, innuendos and the like that work my nerves. Luckily, there are enough like minded people that I usually don't have to run off at the "mouth".

                                    And lo and behold, there are usually enough people on the other side of the argument that rarely do we find things so one sided that the discussion is a waste of time.

                                    Don't we participate in this sport because its fun? Shouldn't this be an offshoot of that fun? If it isn't fun for you to involve yourself in heated discussion, if you take everything anyone says against your opinions and feelings personally, then perhaps you should prevent yourself from even logging on and reading what goes on here.

                                    Those that claim they "don't post here any more" amazingly enough always know whats going on. You know why? They lurk, they read, they wait for opportune moment to cause trouble.

                                    Don't you think that someone who has bothered to develop a "personality" or some credentials might not be given so much heat when they have something negative to say?

                                    Ugh, ya'll are killing me.

                                    ~~~~Okay, who put a stop payment on my reality check?~~~~
                                    **Before you can be old and wise, you must first be young and stupid.**

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> At some point yesterday I voiced my opinion on the banning of rockstarr and miniwelsh as being unfair. I posted one follow-up point and then felt comfortable to read both the pro and con arguments. That is until the latest...

                                      Why are comments deemed 'out of line' and 'mean spirited' when they raise the issue that a sexually explicit thread was able to continue for 25 pages (exactly how many days does it take to get to 25 pages)? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      If it was merely a matter of those former members raising the issue in a manner that was constructive and non-confrontational, then I would agree that deeming those comments as "out of line" and "mean spirited" would be unfair. However, the manner in which they chose to voice their concerns in the posts that were deleted were neither constructive nor non-confrontational.

                                      If there is something I don't like about another person and I feel the need to tell them so, I can go about it in two ways. I can go up to that person and say, "You know, I have a problem when you do X. Do you think we might be able to go somewhere private and discuss it?" Or, I can go up to that same person and say in front of everybody, "I can't believe that you do X. It really gets on my nerves, it's one of the stupidest things I've ever seen anyone do, and you must be a moron for doing it. Please stop it"

                                      The first method may or may not elicit a positive response, but the second one is guaranteed to ruffle some feathers.

                                      Unfortunately, the former members of this board chose the second course of action. Had they instead acted in a respectful manner, I'm sure they would not have been banned from the BB for raising their concerns. However, when they chose to mock a moderator by posting a thread in which they slurred that moderator's name in the title and then proceeded to post additional beligerent threads after they had been asked to take it private, I think that does fall under the heading of "mean spirited" and "out of line".

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                                      • ~Oh, this is SO against my better judgement~

                                        I always enjoyed Rockstarr's posts, Miniwelsh I don't remember so clearly.

                                        I agreed that they had a right to express their opinion about Colin etc. and I thought that some of the people who more vehemently disagreed with them had NO right to post some of the things they did. I believe I said that.

                                        I read some of the deleted XX thread, but I guess I missed the really risque parts so I can't comment but I agree with their bringing it up for discussion.

                                        I was shocked at the other stuff they posted that has been deleted. I immediately thought "they have decided to get kicked out in style". And, lo! they were kicked off in a rather public fashion.

                                        I understood that Erin probably had to kick them off at that point. I am sure they understood that too.

                                        I was bummed.

                                        I will be more bummed if more people quit b/c of this or if some people use this issue to raise greviances of their own, dragging it on forever.

                                        Again, props to ETBW for her level-headed discussion

                                        Now!!! about horses.....

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                                        • NO, NO, NO. That is exactly what I am saying--I have NEVER lurked here, ever since my decision to leave because of Erin's personal e-mails to me. I knew what was going on because it was readily apparent after logging on here yesterday to see how Aiden is doing. In fact, I had forgotten my password and had to dig up where I had written it down. Why don't you ask the mods if I have been "lurking, " since they seem to keep a head count on all the members they don't like.

                                          I have lost touch with some people precisely because of that--I kept up with them solely through the BB and now I don't know what is going on in their lives. I.e., it's not like I would ever call bgoosewood, but I would love to hear how she is holding up. I don't know how to reach Heineken, but I have been wondering if she had a job. But I refuse to check because a) I have decided not to waste my time anymore where I am prone to personal attack and b) the impartiality of it all was just driving me nuts and it is a waste of my energy that would be better spent on my work or at the barn.

                                          So, HN, why don't you get your facts clear before you go asserting that someone is a "lurker" or a pot-stirrer, eh?

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