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  • #21
    I've worked in large slaughter plants and small mom and pop slaughter plants beleive me theres not a big difference in " humane " or " inhumane " its just one place has more cases of things going wrong due to sheer numbers. The commercial plant here in town kills 1000 head a day, the mom and pop place 40 head a week. Pretty easy to figure out the number of mistakes will be greatly higher on 1000 a day versus 40 a week. Personally I raise my own meat, I know what its been fed I kill it myself, I raise the animal myself. But if you think it all goes like clock work in a small operation your kidding yourself.

    And feeding 300 million people you couldn't have enough mom and pop butchers if you wanted to.
    Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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    • #22
      You are going to have a hard time convincing me that any operation that sends a animal down the line 3 seconds apart is not making more "mistakes" than an operation that at least takes the time to make sure an animal is dead/unconscious before hanging it up and cutting it's throat. Go read the book and then tell me again that the larger slaughter houses that kill a 1000 head a day are as humane as the smaller ones that take a bit more time to do it right. Why don't you eat the meat that comes out of these places? Could it be that you know firsthand how messed up it is and how filthy the products are that come out of there?

      The sad fact is that it's not even that they kill so many more but the fact that they don't care if hogs are scalded alive or if they aren't stunned right because the stunners are turned down by management to avoid blemishing the loin meat. The people that work in these places have to do what it takes to keep the line going it that means beating a pig over the head instead of getting in close to "stick" them properly so they'll bleed out as intended. Go read the book and account after account of barbaric treatment of animals all sworn by affidavits of people who worked in these places for years.

      One "sticker" even mentions the day that "some famous lady" (probably Tempe Grandin) came to tour the plant and the line speed was slower, stunners were turned up and no animals came down the line alive or awake and struggling to his station. Sad if it only works as it's supposed to when someone is watching that cares.

      Hey you finally got me to agree with you that no one animal species deserves better treatment than another. They all deserve to be treated humanely and not tortured to death and hauled in inhumane conditions so I can eat my hamburger or bacon or some foreigner can eat his Cheval.

      You can still feed 300 million people without sacrificing humane treatment of the animals. It is a choice to do it right and not to do it wrong for the sake of profit.

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      • #23
        Why don't I eat meat that comes out of large commercial plants or small mom and pop ones/ Because I have a freezer full of beef, pork, lamb, and poultry I raise myself why would I buy it from any place?

        I have read the book and as most printed things its biased one side or the other and not exactly reality. And not one thing in that book or that happens in a large plant hasn't happened in a small one right down to changing how things are done when inspectors come. Some small places are run top notch some bottom of the barrel most in between., Exactly how large ones are run.
        Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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        • #24
          If I had to have a place do my butchering I'd use the ones here with a truck that butchers on the farm then takes the carcess into town in a stainless steel container. They have a electric hoist built onto the truck to lift the animal up. That way I can see how its killed and done if I see something I don't like I have control over it.
          Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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          • #25
            Originally posted by Daydream Believer View Post
            I really don't think though that it will ever be realistic to think that horses could be slaughtered at local little slaughterhouses...not when they are not eaten here but JSwan is right in saying that we should support this sort of operation.
            Yes, I think you're right about small processors not wanting to handle horses. I think that would be purely a business decision on their part. My local plant recently decided against processing poultry. Purely a business decision. Not enough poultry operations in the area to justify retooling.

            But it means I have no place to take poultry - and I cannot afford the insurance required to process and sell them from my farm. (I can legally do it but insurance is very expensive).

            So - all y'all get to continue to eat the mystery meat from the grocery store. I'm not risking a lawsuit for a stewing hen.

            I have not confirmed this rumor but a neighbor told me the local renderer is no longer going to accept carcasses unless all neurological tissue is removed (spinal cord and brain).

            If that is true that is going to place a tremendous burden upon all livestock owners - including horse owners who cannot bury their horses on their land due to local ordinances.

            I think all of us care deeply about animal welfare, even if we cannot agree on specific issues. I think it is also true that there is no way to feed 300 million people (and export food as well) using the small family farm model and local mom and pop butchers. But it's no reason to reject the small farm/local concept.

            I've never believed that outsourcing processing and consolidating agriculture was the solution to our animal welfare concerns. There should be plenty of plants in the US and we should encourage our communities to support more of them.

            Who knows - your local processor may offer to put down horses and have the renderer pick them up for a fee.

            That is something a jurisdiction can work out with the proposed operation -and something that horse owners could provide input on. There are many roads to Rome.


            county - I've seen those mobile facilities and find them intriguing. I've not seen one in action but am very interested in doing so. I'd REALLY like it if there was one for poultry in this area. It would have a tremendous impact.
            Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
            Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
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            • #26
              Its illegal for meat processing places to kill livestock just for disposal the USDA has a list of regulations a mile long.

              Its also true rendering plants are no longer going to pick up livestock unless the spinal cord and brain are removed I think here it goes into law in April but forget the date for sure. My guess is not many horse owners are going to do it.

              JSwan we have private mom and pop chicken processing places here that will taske your live birds and process them then put them in shrink wrap for $2.25 a bird, they will cut them up for an additional $1. Their business is booming the past 3 years and we've gone from 1 place in the area to 4.

              The mobile trucks are becoming more popular around here more and more people want to buy meat direct off the farm. I plan on using ones service this spring, I always sell beef and pork to customers and haul the animals in to a private place. But for the $30 they charge to come out with the mobile unit I'll start using them for what I sell.

              I also sell cull cows and bulls to the big commercial plant in town. You haul the animal in, its killed then, you go to the office and pick up your check. By the time you drive out the animal is hanging in a cooler getting ready to go to a fast food place.
              Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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              • #27
                One thing I've learned from this forum is way to many people go by what they read in books and see in videos they watch rather then reality when it comes to the slaughter industry. Is slaughter a perfect industry? Of course not but its hardly what many here think either.
                Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                • #28
                  Sh** I forgot about that. Around here farmers just take them to the kennel or put them in the burn or compost pile. Our processors are no longer accepting game animals, either.

                  Thanks for telling me about the renderer - I'd been meaning to check that out but hadn't gotten around to it. It won't affect me at all but I can bet it's going to cause some suburban Virginia horse owners a big problem. Not many of them willing to cut open their own dead horse and extract the tissue.

                  Well that will be interesting! I wonder if our horse industry is aware of what is coming! I wonder if vets will have to remove the tissue for the client when the horse is put down - but then the vet has to be responsible for transporting hazardous waste! No vet is going to want to do that.


                  I think the poultry processing issues will change here in the next few years. Virginia's top ag product is broilers - but it's out on the shore. Not in the mountains. But even in this economy there is some real innovative work going on right now.

                  I really like those mobile facilities and am glad to learn they are popular where you live. I hope to see the same thing here soon.


                  Originally posted by county View Post
                  Its illegal for meat processing places to kill livestock just for disposal the USDA has a list of regulations a mile long.

                  Its also true rendering plants are no longer going to pick up livestock unless the spinal cord and brain are removed I think here it goes into law in April but forget the date for sure. My guess is not many horse owners are going to do it.

                  JSwan we have private mom and pop chicken processing places here that will taske your live birds and process them then put them in shrink wrap for $2.25 a bird, they will cut them up for an additional $1. Their business is booming the past 3 years and we've gone from 1 place in the area to 4.

                  The mobile trucks are becoming more popular around here more and more people want to buy meat direct off the farm. I plan on using ones service this spring, I always sell beef and pork to customers and haul the animals in to a private place. But for the $30 they charge to come out with the mobile unit I'll start using them for what I sell.

                  I also sell cull cows and bulls to the big commercial plant in town. You haul the animal in, its killed then, you go to the office and pick up your check. By the time you drive out the animal is hanging in a cooler getting ready to go to a fast food place.
                  Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                  -Rudyard Kipling

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                  • #29
                    Originally posted by county View Post
                    JSwan we have private mom and pop chicken processing places here that will taske your live birds and process them then put them in shrink wrap for $2.25 a bird, they will cut them up for an additional $1. Their business is booming the past 3 years and we've gone from 1 place in the area to 4.
                    I wish we had a place like that around here. I want to raise my own chickens (for meat and eggs), but I'm not sure I could manage killing them myself (I know some of you do - and I think I could get there). My husband doesn't believe I would eat anything I raised, but I think it has GOT to be healthier and more humane to raise my own. Plus, I admit, there's a pride in raising some of your own food (if not all).

                    The rendering thing is disturbing... I wonder how horse owners are going to handle it? I don't know of any rendering companies near me (I have a guy who will haul them off and bury them), but a lot of people still rely on them..
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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by cowgirljenn View Post
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                      I think it'll be hard to get a new slaughter house opened anywhere. Even most people who aren't opposed to slaughter don't want it happening in their backyard...
                      Ohh I doubt that. I guarantee there are more than a few communities who would be very happy to have the jobs.....

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                      • #31
                        What is the difference between the way the EU does it and the way it happens here?
                        Eight Fences Farm. Mansfield, MA

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                        • #32
                          As for the new regulations concerning spinal cord/brain removal - I got a letter from the rendering plant that they would no longer be accepting bovines for this reason. The letter stated they would continue to p/u equines and swine. So, I'm assuming the new regulations only relates to bovines.

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                          • #33
                            Theres alot of areas in the country that would take a slaughter plant maybe not joyously but they need jobs. Alot of people here don't like the big one we have but theres over 200 people that have good paying jobs at it. Then figure in the two plants that employ a total of another 300 people where the meat goes to be processed and shipped and you have 500 jobs. Not one has been laid of here either. And you have the rendering plant right up the road from the slaughter plant with another 125 jobs. Is there downsides to them? You bet but love or hate them every Friday 625 paychecks get cashed and spent in this area from them.

                            Personally I don't see a horse slaughter plant getting built in the U.S. until the Fed. Gov. makes up their mind if its going to be legal or not. I can't imagine investors spending millions only to have the gov. rule its illegal and close a new plant up. If its ruled legal then I think you'll see more then one built.
                            Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                            • #34
                              I'd rather have a slaughterhouse in my county than another Mal-Wart.


                              WendallsGirl - thanks for the info about the renderer. No producers in this area had received any information at all - we all heard it through the grapevine. Which is odd because this area is mostly dairy farms and cow/calf operations. You'd think we'd have been given a heads up.

                              But that makes sense and fits in with the plants refusing to process cervids.

                              Now if you want to hear something really stupid this state is considering conducting a captive raised Elk release. We've got mandatory CWD testing, no cervid processing, neurological tissue disposal issues - and some mad scientist wants to actually release the animals responsible for bringing the disease to this coast in the first place.

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                It's a shame more people don't support local processing facilities. So many people scream bloody murder about inhumane treatment of animals in one breath - and in the next scream bloody murder that the don't want more facilities.

                                We can't have it both ways. If some horse owners are upset that horses have to travel thousands of miles to be slaughtered - they should be just as bothered that pig or cow has to travel that same distance.

                                You are my new hero. I've been saying this for YEARS now!! Make it quick, humane, and easily accessible, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
                                -Jessica

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                                • #36
                                  Originally posted by county View Post
                                  One thing I've learned from this forum is way to many people go by what they read in books and see in videos they watch rather then reality when it comes to the slaughter industry. Is slaughter a perfect industry? Of course not but its hardly what many here think either.
                                  We're not talking about mistakes make while manufacturing a TV set or a microchip...we're talking about living breathing animals that feel pain and fear. NO animal should go down that damn line upside down and concious while being skinned, drowned in scalding water or having it's legs cut off. People like to point out other countries atrocities and smugly sit at home eating their hamburger or ham while atrocities to dogs and cats just as bad are done many times a day in our own nation so we can all have our cheap meat. I hate hipocrasy.

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                                  • #37
                                    Originally posted by Iron Horse Farm View Post
                                    One of the problems that i have with slaughter for human consumption is that horses are almost never raised with the intention that they go to slaughter - therefore, they are given drugs, wormer and other substances that are NOT acceptable for human consumption. There is no withdrawl period for horses and no drug testing of meat, just a visual inspection. So, you end up with a lot of horses that get slaughtered no long after getting buted up for the auction to try to make them look sound.
                                    I'm confused by this statement. I was raised on a cattle farm (Angus) and we gave the cattle drugs, wormer and "other substances" to protect their health. They didn't get Bute, I'll give you that.

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                                    • #38
                                      DB I hate hipocrasy also but I don't see any in this thread, also don't see anyone thats said any animal should be slaughtered inhumanly.
                                      Quality doesn\'t cost it pays.

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                                      • #39
                                        Originally posted by AppJumpr08 View Post
                                        You are my new hero. I've been saying this for YEARS now!! Make it quick, humane, and easily accessible, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
                                        I don't know if I should be your new hero - I raise and butcher my own chickens. Basically if it's running around in the back yard or pastures and doesn't have a job I eat it. The horses and goats have jobs so they are safe!
                                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                                        • #40
                                          Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                                          It's a shame more people don't support local processing facilities. So many people scream bloody murder about inhumane treatment of animals in one breath - and in the next scream bloody murder that the don't want more facilities.

                                          We can't have it both ways. If some horse owners are upset that horses have to travel thousands of miles to be slaughtered - they should be just as bothered that pig or cow has to travel that same distance.

                                          No corporation or bad guy is responsible for that. The NIMBY syndrome is the major factor in some of the most appalling practices in animal husbandry.

                                          Concerned about humane treatment of animals? Support your local processor. The more local processors there are - the less an animal has to travel from the farm. Less stress, less chance of disease, fewer injuries, more humane.

                                          The fact that horses are not raised for food is a distinction the cow or pig or chicken does not appreciate. If it is inhumane to transport horses for long distances - it is just as inhumane to transport other species.

                                          Locally raised and processed animals are better for us - and more humane for animals.

                                          Many of us would not object to horse slaughter if it was done the same way as its done at hunt kennels or in most places in the EU.

                                          Support local processing facilities and we'll do more to improve animal welfare than any agitating or ranting about bans on slaughter.
                                          AMEN!!!
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