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  • #21
    Originally posted by sniplover View Post
    How does one become a "photoshop professional" and what do you do with that (graphic design, etc - I honestly don't know!) ? I mean, I completely agreed that I'd need a class just to figure out how to use the darn layers (which is what thwarted me the only time I've tried to use a friend's copy)... seems like this might be something I have to do as well. Right now I'm just editing stuff to try things out and see how they turn out (like the disaster of a mane in the cut out) because I've never so much as touched editing before.
    I have a BA (hons) (a degree) in design, and I've worked as a web designer for various large companies for a little over 10 years, which involves not only manipulating photos but also directing photoshoots. So - a lot can be learned in class (yes - take one! It's fun!) but also a lot gets learned "on the job." You're doing great considering - take a class and you'll be flying

    In my job I have received photos to fix that are less than optimal and it takes a lot of time to correct them. It's just not worth my time. High quality assets (photos, graphics, copy) makes for high quality designs. It can be very rewarding to make a "silk purse out of a pig's ear" but honestly in this business I don't have the luxury of time to do that.


    Originally posted by sniplover View Post
    I've inquired into a few classes through local photography stores, and am considering asking a few local photographers if I can job shadow/volunteer to learn more about everything. No responses yet from the class teachers, but I'm going down to HITS tomorrow and we'll see what I can snap there. .
    Good for you - job shadowing a photographer would be superb experience, and a class will let you refine your skills and bring it all together. Then you could go pro!
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      #22
      Ha - my thesis advisor would have my head if I tried to "go Pro" before I finish my doctorate! LOL!! I just think volunteering with the local photographers would be awesome.

      Do you think I'd need full out Photoshop or would Elements get me by? Are you familiar with Irfanview and its capabilities? It's my understanding that it has a lot of identical features and it's freeware...

      Let's hope I make a few silk purses tomorrow. Last week was just to play with features, tomorrow I'll try to play with composition.

      How about this; can people post pictures they've purchased at shows or inspections that they absolutely love and perhaps one reason why they love it?
      RIP Adriane, aka Eyesontheground, 6/4/83-9/14/09
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      • #23
        Can I just say we learned about the "Panorama" abilities of Photoshop yesterday, and I experimented with it at the barn and am soooo excited by. My photos are nothing exciting, but I like the idea of giving Photoshop a bunch of separate images and waiting to see what it spits back at me. It's like Christmas in a computer!

        We also learned about HDR images, which I'm real excited to try, but understand that Photoshop doesn't make great HDR images, so I'm going to hunt down the software for that. I love the images in Ariats new ads, and my guess is that they are HDR... I wanna make my photos moody like that!
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        • #24
          The red shirt pic bothers me, but if the customer likes it cool. I would crop the pic better to focus more on the horse and change the shirt color as an option for a sale pic. See my new profile pic for an example. I'd mess with it more, but my head is stuffy from being sick.

          Originally posted by sniplover View Post
          How does one become a "photoshop professional" and what do you do with that (graphic design, etc - I honestly don't know!) ? I mean, I completely agreed that I'd need a class just to figure out how to use the darn layers (which is what thwarted me the only time I've tried to use a friend's copy)...
          I love layers. Whenever I'm trying out a fix, I'll use a layer. If I don't like it, that layer gets deleted. If I like it, I'll merge it down. If I'm not sure, I'll play with the transparency or click the eye on or off to see the difference from the original. I'm no pro, but you could read some magazines, take a class, watch a pro. Whatever you want/can do. Even You tube has some interesting videos. My favorite is the "You suck at photoshop" series. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXeZ0...320E03&index=1 I'm sure there are others that would be helpful.

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          • #25
            I am just going to chime in here, I have used Photoshop Elements, 7.0, CS3, now I am using CS4.

            I just want to share my perspective a bit... Don't forget though in order for an HDR image to come out correctly, one must have shot the image correctly in the first place. If you haven't shot through the correct range of exposures your images won't appear as you had planned once they are merged. I am not going to give myself away here as most of what I have learned is on my own time, but I know it can be done well in CS4.

            To the original OP: cutting images out of the background, especially when it involves hair is not an easy task, and there is no easy shortcut. Cutting any image out can actually be quite a process. I recommend a higher grade software if you can afford it. I also recommend any book from Katrin Eismann, she is amazing!

            Also, I am not sure what camera settings you are using, but try to learn evey aspect of your camera! I encourage you to read your Manual,over and over again, one can always learn something new from their manual. Please let me know if you have any questions, feel free to PM me!
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              #26
              One - the blue does look much better.

              Bayknight - I have read the manual and picked up some photography for dummies books (repetition is the key to me learning these aperture/f-stops and all the fine tuning of the settings). I may PM you in the future, and will be in MD for a conference at the end of April - I'll have to see how things shake out, but perhaps I can watch you in action

              yesterday I used Shutter Priority;
              Shutter at 1/640
              ISO max; 200
              White Balance; Sunny
              Meter; center weighted (spot was blowing all of the highlights)
              AF; SPOT (might try one-area high speed focus next)
              Pre AF; Q-AF
              AF/AE Lock; AF/AE
              Intelligent exposure; HIGH (for this camera, it just ups the responsiveness to changing light conditions, I believe)
              pict adjust; sat +1, played with contrast +1 but I wasn't sure if this was helping or hindering my case with the extremely strong light.
              STABILIZER; Auto


              Almost everything came out at ISO 100 nicely exposed. I avoided using burst mode so I could practice my timing and I am very pleased with the progress made there. I also tried to pick and choose my shots more, although it was still nigh impossible to get a normal background - the main ring by the entrance to HITS has cars on display on one side, a road across the arena, stables and equipment up at the end, and the area behind me (which you won't see much) leads to the various other rings.

              Here are some of my better pictures;

              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3317703467/
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3318545712/
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3317688889/
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3318331328/
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3318314640/
              http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3317881576/

              Still not spectacular, but each one is a lesson in itself.
              RIP Adriane, aka Eyesontheground, 6/4/83-9/14/09
              Proudly owned by:
              Veronica II (Vienna Waltz/Woermann)

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              • #27
                Originally posted by sniplover View Post
                Do you think I'd need full out Photoshop or would Elements get me by?
                Elements has a lot of great features and it's an excellent starting point.

                A lot of folks have the higher versions and never use even a fraction of the tools. You might be able to get an older version pretty cheap. I have CS at home and it has virtually everything I need for my equine photography business. I'd consider myself intermediate with Photoshop photo editing skills. I have Photoshop 7 on the laptop I take to sporting events and it gets the job done for my editorial work. It has all the basic color correction and sharpening tools needed to quickly get a photo sent to the publication. I have CS3 at the office and it is very cool (have not seen CS4 yet) but if you're starting out, go with a basic version and work your way up.
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                • #28
                  Originally posted by sniplover View Post
                  Here are some of my better pictures;
                  I like the new one in my profile pic. I like that you can see her smiling at the end of the jump. I cropped it, desaturated the background a bit, saturated and sharpened the foreground. When saturating, flesh tones can be a useful guide as to how much is too much.

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                    #29
                    One - could you remind me what software you're using to accomplish these changes? I need to get some time and try the Irfanview and see if I can make these fine tuned changes (sharpening an area vs the whole picture)

                    I tried to replicate your version as closely as I can and got this; http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3320431222/

                    I think flesh tones are a great guideline, thanks for the tip!
                    RIP Adriane, aka Eyesontheground, 6/4/83-9/14/09
                    Proudly owned by:
                    Veronica II (Vienna Waltz/Woermann)

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                    • #30
                      If you're a student, you can purchase CS4 with academic pricing. Still not cheap, but a whole lot cheapER.

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                      • #31
                        Originally posted by zagafi View Post
                        If you're a student, you can purchase CS4 with academic pricing. Still not cheap, but a whole lot cheapER.
                        Indeed you can, and it is an excellent way to start out.

                        Please bear in mind that as soon as you charge for anything you make with the product you need to purchase the full non-academic version.
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                        • #32
                          Originally posted by sniplover View Post
                          One - could you remind me what software you're using to accomplish these changes? I need to get some time and try the Irfanview and see if I can make these fine tuned changes (sharpening an area vs the whole picture)

                          I tried to replicate your version as closely as I can and got this; http://www.flickr.com/photos/24994333@N03/3320431222/

                          I think flesh tones are a great guideline, thanks for the tip!
                          Your edit looks good, except I muted the blue thing right behind the horse. From a buyer's point of view, I'd definitely want to see myself and the horse look appealing.

                          I'm using Photoshop Elements 5.0. I agree with the others that said you can start with Elements and move up to CS. I haven't needed to, I just do it for fun.

                          There's probably an easier way, but I use layers for these edits, for example, changing the shirt to blue. With a background copy layer, I'll erase everything but the shirt and then adjust the hue, sat, and lightness until I've found a color that I like and looks real. Then flattened or merge down.
                          Pretty much all the pics I've shown you were edited in this way. For a pro with 100's of pics to edit, this would be tedious I'm sure and it's definitely easier to fix problems before you shoot, especially backgrounds. I would stake out a good background.
                          Last edited by One is Enough; Mar. 1, 2009, 06:26 PM. Reason: forgetfull

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                          • #33
                            http://flickr.com/photos/missninanoo/2823167690/

                            This is my best shot, but Im not happy with the crop

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                              #34
                              Does anyone use Corel Paint Shop Pro? I'm trying a few things tonight, will post if I get any success regarding levels and layers.

                              I wonder if HITS will let me drop in a giant backdrop of pleasant landscape to cover the RVs and crap across the arena
                              RIP Adriane, aka Eyesontheground, 6/4/83-9/14/09
                              Proudly owned by:
                              Veronica II (Vienna Waltz/Woermann)

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                              • #35
                                hobby/amateur photographer here ...

                                I agree w/ several posters that what you are seeing through the viewfinder is very important. I shoot strictly for fun (film! and then get images put on cd to share) and try hard to get a) fairly un-busy backgrounds and b) control depth of field so horse/rider are in focus and background soft. can be a challenge w/ a manual focus camera!

                                http://cahill.smugmug.com/gallery/72...18_SoUdW-XL-LB

                                http://cahill.smugmug.com/gallery/66...28_9tyLg-XL-LB

                                critiques welcome!

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