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  • Halters on Horses and other odds and ends

    When I last posted, it was all about getting all boarder horses out safely. They all did get out (thank you all for the help)

    Now I have a question....is it customary to leave halters on horses in turnout? How about in stalls?

    I moved horses to several different facilites...but one in particular insists on halters during turnout. I can "almost" understand.

    But, when I found my horse in his stall with a halter on I about lost it. Why? So I asked figuring that it was either A) concierge service--they knew I'd be out B) my horse was a jerk and they couldn't get the halter off.

    Nope. It was C. They don't take off halters that buckle instead of snap nor do they remove rope halters. Good to know. AHEAD OF TIME.

    I'm dealing with several different handlers all of whom are "in charge". I can't imagine why someone wouldn't have called and said, "Hey, we don't do these types of halters"...but they didn't. I had to ask why my horse still had his on while no others did.

    Is this common? One doesn't take off halters in the stall unless they're X type? And further???????? Who leaves on nylon halters in turnout? WTH? I was aghasted. Bought new leather halter with snap. So no worries for mine. But the others? Wowza. Who does that?

  • #2
    Oh man...I am not ok with this at all.

    I guess I can understand halters on when out...I don't personally like it and would never ever do it with a nylon or rope halter but if that is the barn rule and everything else is good then ok.

    Halters on when in the stall? Nope...it is part of the job to take a halter off when the horse goes in the stall. Period. Not taking the time to undo a rope halter or a halter that buckles is LA-ZY. If they can not take the time to take off your halter I am betting they arent really taking the time to make sure every thing is a-ok when he comes in from the pasture. I am 100% sure they aren't running their hands over him to get a good idea. Makes me wonder what other things they are being lazy about when you are not there. "Horse slow to finish breakfast...eh...just go ahead and turn him out...he can get it later." "This one only needs 1/2 a load of fresh shavings this week...just sprinkle them all around so it looks like he got rebedded." You get my point I am sure.

    Good luck! This is no fun I am sure.
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    • #3
      I don't think there's any good reason to leave a halter on in a stall. I think leaving halters on in turnout is ridiculous too...but then I haven't had 40 horses to bring in at night.

      Still, can't imagine allowing nylon. Seems dangerous to me.
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      • #4
        That seems super dangerous, especially with nylon or rope halters... I can understand them wanting halters on in a turnout situation with a ton of horses to bring in, and I've heard of that being done, but only with breakaway safety halters. I boarded with a girl who put a rope halter (too big, no less) on her mustang foal while she taught him to be caught, and left it on him in turnout. She seemed to think it was a good idea until he got stuck on the round bale feeder. Fortunately he was calm and stood there.
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        • #5
          How totally bizarre. I have NEVER heard of the barn refusing to take off a halter because it buckles.

          I was at a barn that left halters on for turnout. No one said anything about it, and I didn't know until I showed up one day when my horses were out. I purchased leather halters shortly after so the girls would not be going out in nylon..

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          • #6
            Not okay. Especially since they never gave you a heads up. Their excuse is just plain laziness.

            I don't care if it's leather, there is really no good reason to leave a halter on in a stall IMO. Way too dangerous. We don't even leave breakaway halters on babies in the stalls. Too easy for them to hang themselves even in 'safety' halters.

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            • #7
              Most good boarding/training barns leave the halters on in turnout-ease of bringing them in but, also, sh*t happens and they can get out. Even if it only happens once every 3 or 4 years that one gets loose, so much better to have that halter on there.

              Most barns also stipulate NO nylon or nylon with the leather crown piece only. Nylon chafes the nose anyway when left on alot.

              If you keep your own at home, do whatever suits you. They can get hurt on anything and nothing and, really, more are probably hurt getting loose with no halter on and being harder to catch then ever get tangled up in a properly fitted, breakable leather halter.

              See no purpose in leaving them on in the stall but they should be right there by the door so they can be easily found.

              I wonder what else OP was not told about this place...the requirement for a snap on the throatlatch should have been spelled out in the boarding contract if thy refuse to touch any other kind.
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              • #8
                ABSOLUTELY NOT ok to leave halters on in the stall! See this thread from a few months ago....
                http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...d.php?t=179428

                I agree with findeight on the turn-out though. Leather is best!

                Mine currently does not wear one during turn-out and that's OK with me, but if I did board where it was needed, it would be LEATHER all day long (which is all I own).

                It definently should have been told up front about requiring a specific buckle type! I also agree it is just plain laziness! I perfer the snap under the throat-latch, but would not not choose to take one off or put on because it had a buckle??
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                • #9
                  Tell the people at that barn that they've obviously never seen a dead horse hung up by a halter in its stall. They'll never leave a halter on again if they do.

                  One of my horses has a snap halter, the other has a buckle... I find them equally easy to put on and take off. Are these employees not smart enough to work a buckle? I wouldn't such idiots taking care of my horse, anyway.
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                  • #10
                    Just get the little leather connector piece that you can attach to the nylon buckle. You barely notice it's there, it'll break in an emergency, and you can use the snap closure on the halter instead of having to buckle it.

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                    • #11
                      Objector here. Halters in turnout are every bit as dangerous as in a stall, infact, I think they are SAFER on in a stall. It is much easier in a confined stall to make sure they can't get hung on anything. Outside, tree branches, loose nails, cracks in boards, etc.

                      I bring in 35 horses each day, and I won't leave a halter on a horse unless they become a huge problem to deal with at bring in time.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by eyesontheground View Post
                        Oh man...I am not ok with this at all.

                        I guess I can understand halters on when out...I don't personally like it and would never ever do it with a nylon or rope halter but if that is the barn rule and everything else is good then ok.

                        Halters on when in the stall? Nope...it is part of the job to take a halter off when the horse goes in the stall. Period. Not taking the time to undo a rope halter or a halter that buckles is LA-ZY. If they can not take the time to take off your halter I am betting they arent really taking the time to make sure every thing is a-ok when he comes in from the pasture. I am 100% sure they aren't running their hands over him to get a good idea. Makes me wonder what other things they are being lazy about when you are not there. "Horse slow to finish breakfast...eh...just go ahead and turn him out...he can get it later." "This one only needs 1/2 a load of fresh shavings this week...just sprinkle them all around so it looks like he got rebedded." You get my point I am sure.

                        Good luck! This is no fun I am sure.
                        I agree - there is NO reason that should have happened - I'd start looking at other "things" like quoted poster suggests.
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                        • #13
                          I think the buckle thing is ridiculously funny. I hate putting buckle halters on the really tall ones but to just leave them on is quite lazy.

                          However turnout with halters can sometimes be needed. We have 2 fields where halters are taken off 6 horses in these fields.

                          The other 2 fields have 12 horses each and at turn in time there would be chaos if the horses had to wait their turn to be haltered. I do recommend leather but not all owners bother. We have never had one hung up but perhaps that is because the pastures are quite large.

                          As to halters on in the stall I once boarded at a farm that had a halters on policy. I didn't love it but the BM had lived through trying to get horses out of a barn fire and was not taking chances in case it happened again.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BumbleBee View Post
                            The other 2 fields have 12 horses each and at turn in time there would be chaos if the horses had to wait their turn to be haltered.
                            We just lead them all with ropes around their necks. I can do that safely, because the barnyard from gates to barn is, well INSIDE the barnyard. THAT is what freaks me out more than anything else. I would never want to keep my horse in a place that the horses are being led around, and there is nothing beween them and New York City. I would NEVER be comfortable even leading them down an aisle on a day to day basis with no closed fence surrounding the barn.

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                            • #15
                              Last month I had Miss Mare boarded so I could use their nice indoor arena every day while we worked through some issues (no biggie, just needed to be ridden 8 or 10 days a week - not happening at home in January). And I was getting pretty grumpy because instead of unsnapping the perfectly good throatlatch snap, one or two of the workers insisted on unbuckling the dang thing instead every day after they brought her back in! And I find it difficult to get the stupid thing bucked back up again; it's stiff and I had to take my nice warm gloves off to do it.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Quin View Post
                                Last month I had Miss Mare boarded so I could use their nice indoor arena every day while we worked through some issues (no biggie, just needed to be ridden 8 or 10 days a week - not happening at home in January). And I was getting pretty grumpy because instead of unsnapping the perfectly good throatlatch snap, one or two of the workers insisted on unbuckling the dang thing instead every day after they brought her back in! And I find it difficult to get the stupid thing bucked back up again; it's stiff and I had to take my nice warm gloves off to do it.
                                I get so annoyed when people take off my halter that buckles, and rebuckle it to hang it up. Why??!! How does this make sense? Why would you do MORE work that isn't necessary, so then *I* have to do more work that isn't necessary? Just hang the stupid thing up by the noseband, there's no reason to buckle it and then hang it by the crown.
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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
                                  Objector here. Halters in turnout are every bit as dangerous as in a stall, infact, I think they are SAFER on in a stall. It is much easier in a confined stall to make sure they can't get hung on anything. Outside, tree branches, loose nails, cracks in boards, etc.

                                  I bring in 35 horses each day, and I won't leave a halter on a horse unless they become a huge problem to deal with at bring in time.
                                  echo slight difference to me is i dont leave a head collar on or halter when out only if the horse is new and hard to catch then i leave it on for a couple of days so it gets used to the rountine that i do after that its off and if i cant catch it then its my problem and not the horse or ponies but it really has to be hard to catch before i do that as in almost wild type
                                  most horses and ponies sort out there own pecking order out in a field themselves once sorted which doesnt take long as its normally sorted the same day then you can use that to help you bring in what animal 1st to last so no arguements so really no excuses to leave it on if people think horse and how they work in there social standings and watch them for a while you can just follow there lead why make work harder for yourself

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                                  • #18
                                    Just goes to show after 35 years you still haven't heard it all. That's a new one by me. Seems to me it would be safer to undo a buckle and let the halter drop than slip over the head of a strange horse who might throw his head and bop you.

                                    The stable I boarded at turned a lot of horses in day and night. They had a halter without the throatlatch they just slipped on and off each horse. It was quick and easy. It's so easy I have one here at home I use when I need to catch someone quick. Good for clipping too.

                                    Do they have any other strange customs?

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                                    • #19
                                      I use leather halters and sometimes lose the crownpiece in crossties, but I'd rather lose the crownpiece than the horse. And those leather crownpieces do breakvery easily, as my 2 horses proved on several occasions when we were trimming ears.

                                      There are cheap nylon halters with breakaway leather pieces, so I wouldn't use a synthetic halter without the breakaway piece at all.

                                      I've always boarded where halters were off in stalls and off in pasture/paddocks, but just in case, Cloudy and Callie always had leather halters.

                                      One barn we boarded at used those nylon grooming halters to take horses back and forth to paddocks and some horses were always backing out of them and taking off. But they were easy to use.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by amastrike View Post
                                        I get so annoyed when people take off my halter that buckles, and rebuckle it to hang it up. Why??!! How does this make sense? Why would you do MORE work that isn't necessary, so then *I* have to do more work that isn't necessary? Just hang the stupid thing up by the noseband, there's no reason to buckle it and then hang it by the crown.
                                        This would be something I would do. Not to be difficult but because we hang ALL the halters the same way to keep things neat and uniform looking.

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