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  • #61
    Originally posted by Bugs-n-Frodo View Post
    My STB ex and I had many an argument over the horses. He was so insecure and so threatened by the horses. I stand fast on this subject, I will NEVER get rid of a horse for a man, EVER. That is like selling the part that makes me ME, and, if the man loves me, well, then, he would never want me to. PERIOD! He does not have to ride as well, but he does have to respect and support my passion. And yes, I know is it difficult to love someone who has a passion, but, it can be done as many of you prove.


    ETA: I am all for supporting and respecting my SO/husband's passions as well and I think it is healthy to have passions outside of your marriage.
    Hear hear!!!

    I've dumped many a man because of them being insecure about the horses (or the money involved, time involved, whatever). I finally found a man who appreciates that without horses in my life, I'm not the same woman he fell in love with. He wouldn't even THINK of making me get rid of the horse, much less ALLOW me to do so, and he is very supportive. He comes to the barn to watch me practice, and comes to every show to cheer and hug. And he has his passions that I don't share, that I fully support.

    We are the best team and it's so amazing.

    So gals (and guys) hang in there - you will find the right person who respects your passion, has their own, and a few you can share.

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    • #62
      Interesting thread, as my friends and I were just discussing the economy, having kids in college, jobs being "rightsized", etc. We were pondering the cost of so many things these days.

      Of course we ruminated over women we knew that are divorced due to the horse thing, and how all this might affect them. Some are working, some are not. Not to be morbid or insensitive in any way, so please forgive me, but what is the monetary cost attached to a divorce?

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      • #63
        when my mate got devorced she had 2 neds one was her old girl before they met the other she brought of me after they met and hes my neds full brother so was going to be in the devorce proceedings that was until she sold him to for 10p and i kept him for 2 years as she couldnt afford 2 and she didnt want him to have her other neddy and she didnt want the neddy to go somewhere horrid so she sold him to me

        not only that but shes my best matey and i knew her horse was old and when it died she wouldnt be able to afford another horse plus i couldnt see her horseless not her to be without one so i came up with the idea to beat the system
        but if you do that type of thing you have to have 100% trust on the other person buying the horse risky but my mate knew it was a genuine offer without risk of losing her horse forever
        shes is like family to me as we have known one another for over 30yrs and more

        so ra was with me for 2 years come when she moved yards with another mate as she a bit further away from me anyways they decided to rent a yard between them so thats when she brought him back-- we fed well happy and well looked after
        now its competitions between me and her as maties we often go to events together or meet there shes remarried now and has a child and is happy al be that her old horse did die she still has the other one and my thoughts were spot on - she cant be horseless

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        • #64
          Originally posted by smilton View Post
          Break up with hubby, valentines day and my 30th birthday in that order. Oh boy what a month.
          I'm creating a cupid voodoo doll.
          Other comments included that I was like hugging a man as I was in the barn so often in barn clothes.
          _______

          Smilton, are we the same person? At least he never accused you of having an affair after arriving home 45 minutes late from the barn, and with manure on your breeches and horse snot in your hair -- yes, the barn is just full of available straight men to cheat with.
          "Go on, Bill — this is no place for a pony."

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          • #65
            Definitely the guy needs his own interests. My sister is dating a guy who's a Mummer and while I was weak from laughter after she told me, I instantly said "Marry him." She doesn't ride, but if she did, that is a hobby on the level with riding in terms of time and commitment. Plus, the stray feathers would go so beautifully with the stray horse hair in your house.

            Click here for an example of Mummers in the great and mildly insane city of Philadelphia. http://www.polishamericanstringband.com/

            edit to add - for anyone who clicks the link, no, they're not gay. It's not a gay thing. It's just a fabulous straight male thing.

            Originally posted by Tiffani B View Post
            Strike three. I started taking lessons. Two weeks into it, he forbade me from riding anymore. Ever.
            Mmmmmm, masculine...

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            • #66
              Ahhh, divorce and horses. Lots of people who don't have horses still get divorced, so the real problem has got to be the passion, as someone else noted.

              I think you don't know who someone really is until the shit hits the fan. When Mr. EqT and I were trying out living together, I broke my collarbone. Badly. I could not pee without help. And it took over a month to heal so you know what else I had to have help doing.. every 28 days comes around sooner than you think...

              he didn't like it. But he did it. He took care of the horses and me and everything else that had to be done. Not cheerfully. But not unbearably, either. He did tell me he expected me to have better judgement about what horses I got on (he was correct; I knew I should not have gotten on that horse!) as I was a professional, not a hobbyist.

              Since then he has held the bleeding horse, held the abcessing horse, held the soon to be dead horse, drove while I held the maybe dying dog, the maybe dying cat, buried two horses and my beloved Bisous (the only time I have seen him breakdown, for 30 seconds when he laid him in the hole he sobbed, it was horrible on all accounts) .. drove me to the ER when I burned myself up and took care of me after that.

              he's not very helpful in other emotional situations. If I am having a meltdown, he stays away from me. He knows what is going on around here but is not involved in it. But if the shit hits the fan.. you can count on him to be there and handle everything perfectly. And then go build something.

              He knows what it means to care for something that you love and he understands the value of a mate who does, too.
              "Kindness is free" ~ Eurofoal
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              The CoTH CYA - please consult w/your veterinarian under any and all circumstances.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by EqTrainer View Post
                But if the shit hits the fan.. you can count on him to be there and handle everything perfectly. And then go build something.



                Originally posted by vacation1
                My sister is dating a guy who's a Mummer and while I was weak from laughter after she told me, I instantly said "Marry him." She doesn't ride, but if she did, that is a hobby on the level with riding in terms of time and commitment. Plus, the stray feathers would go so beautifully with the stray horse hair in your house.
                I'm from SE PA (Delaware County). I <3 Mummers!

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                • #68
                  There ARE good guys out there who may not be into horses themselves, but understand what a physical need it is for some of us. And guys who will do everything they can to keep us happy.

                  I'm married (18 yrs this June, gulp, + 11 yrs cohabitation before that!) and have 3 large dogs, 10 cats, and 7 horses. Last year my Hubby's business went bankrupt thanks to a major institution's underhanded but essentially legal practices. We had very little savings and a lot of critters to care for. I automatically began thinking about paring down my herd, via euthanasia (I've got a couple ancient ones), sales, freebies if necessary. He wouldn't hear of it. Would. Not. Said we'd be ok, he'd pull some moonlighting shifts, whatever it took to give the retirees the life they'd earned, and to keep all our foundlings in their home. He also said he knew what parting with my friends would do to me (I've rehomed exactly 1 animal in 30 years) and he couldn't bear to take away something I loved so.

                  We live out where we can have our horses at home, which means a longer drive to work for him. He'd be happy with a condo or apartment somewhere, but he knows I'd be miserable. He doesn't NOT like living out here, but it wouldn't be his 1st choice. I pay him back by doing everything, all the chores, housekeeping, critter care, lawn mowing, repairs... everything other than earn $$. That's his job

                  He's recently gotten back into motorcycles, and while I have no desire to climb on one, I'm happy he's got his own diversions, besides the TV. He said "thanks for letting me buy the new bike" and I reminded him that 1) he earned the $$ he can spend it how he pleases & 2) I just bought a saddle and a (used) trailer, at his encouragement. Nothing to thank me for!

                  There are good'uns out there. Keep looking, decide which battles are worth fighting, and remember that compromise is a good thing so long as it's coming from both sides.

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                    #69
                    Thank you for all of your suggestions and support.
                    Hubby did come back one week later saying he didn't mean any of it and wanted to work things out. I have not allowed him to move back in. I have seen a lawyer and have covered my butt.
                    We did go to councelling. We both made a list of things we would like to see both ourselves and the partner improve on. I haven't seen him make an attempt on any of them.

                    It has been a really rough last two years. He was 50 feet away from a fellow officer that was shot and killed by Morva. He was one of the first people into Norris Hall. He was one of the first responders to the decapitation murder at Va Tech last month. I've had to sit and wait for phone calls everytime he was called out.
                    My grandfather passed away and I have been involved with multiple lawsuits with crazy relatives as they contested the will. I had to assist my mother who inherited 150 horses but did not know what color "bay" was.
                    He is not the same person I married. He shows very little emotion. He is only interested in instantaneous fun not long term goals. He has become a materialistic and appearance oriented. He can't say where he would like to be 6 months from now as he only sees having a good time now. I am making him go to councelling for the events which he previously refused to do. I think he needs it no matter what happens.
                    For me I have simplified my life. Taken on fewer responsibilities and I'm moving on. I bought a canter cutie that arrived last week. I'm going to have some fun again. I haven't shown since we have been together and I really missed it so I am going to enjoy myself. I have 6 months before I can make anything officail so I'm taking my time to think about it but some amazing changes would have to occur to change the current path.
                    Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and wisdom. I can't say this has been easy. Its been the hardest things I've ever been through but I know I can't continue to take all the blame and I need to be happy with who I am. I've always been a tom boy covered in dirt and that isn't going to change now. So guys even like it.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by smilton View Post
                      Thank you for all of your suggestions and support.
                      Hubby did come back one week later saying he didn't mean any of it and wanted to work things out. I have not allowed him to move back in. I have seen a lawyer and have covered my butt.
                      This is very wise.

                      Originally posted by smilton View Post
                      We did go to councelling. We both made a list of things we would like to see both ourselves and the partner improve on. I haven't seen him make an attempt on any of them.

                      It has been a really rough last two years. He was 50 feet away from a fellow officer that was shot and killed by Morva. He was one of the first people into Norris Hall. He was one of the first responders to the decapitation murder at Va Tech last month. I've had to sit and wait for phone calls everytime he was called out.
                      Wow. Any one of those situations would be incredibly difficult to deal with. Collectively, I cannot imagine how they would not have a major impact on one's mental health. I'm not saying it's an excuse to behave like an a$$ to a loved one, but certainly it helps you have a better understanding of why and maybe where this hostility is coming from. Not to mention the effects on you, having to deal with a loved one trying to process such trauma.

                      Originally posted by smilton View Post
                      My grandfather passed away and I have been involved with multiple lawsuits with crazy relatives as they contested the will. I had to assist my mother who inherited 150 horses but did not know what color "bay" was.
                      He is not the same person I married. He shows very little emotion. He is only interested in instantaneous fun not long term goals. He has become a materialistic and appearance oriented. He can't say where he would like to be 6 months from now as he only sees having a good time now. I am making him go to councelling for the events which he previously refused to do. I think he needs it no matter what happens.
                      For me I have simplified my life. Taken on fewer responsibilities and I'm moving on. I bought a canter cutie that arrived last week. I'm going to have some fun again. I haven't shown since we have been together and I really missed it so I am going to enjoy myself. I have 6 months before I can make anything officail so I'm taking my time to think about it but some amazing changes would have to occur to change the current path.
                      Thanks to everyone for sharing their experiences and wisdom. I can't say this has been easy. Its been the hardest things I've ever been through but I know I can't continue to take all the blame and I need to be happy with who I am. I've always been a tom boy covered in dirt and that isn't going to change now. So guys even like it.
                      People change when they are ready to do so. There's a lot that goes into being "ready" ... and you can't push someone else into being "ready" just because you want him to or you need him to, even. I hope counseling is helpful for him, because he has a lot to deal with just for his own well-being, nevermind yours and the well-being of your marriage.

                      You are right to take care of yourself for now. Offer him whatever you feel you can for now. That is all you can do. What he does is up to him ... not something you can change and maybe not even something you can influence.

                      Good luck to you both, whatever comes.
                      Full-time bargain hunter.

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                      • #71
                        My first marriage ended the day he said "It's me or the horse". Yes, I kept the horse. I liked the horse. Him, not so much.

                        But, a couple of years after that, I did take a break from horses so I could learn to balance a full life with my horse addiction. Yes, it's an addiction.
                        Then one day, after my mother deviously lured me off to a horse sale, I said to my then husband to be "I want to have horses again someday. Not today, but I want to plan for it." About a year later, I eased back into it, and he has been 100% supportive the whole way, even the times when it would have been so much easier or sensible to just not have horses..

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                        • #72
                          I don't think I want to get married. Ever.
                          Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                          • #73
                            LexinVA - it's not always bad...I've only been married for 3 years but my husband and I are NOT from similar backgrounds so we've had our challenges. True, marriage is not for the faint of heart but there's a reason so many people try it - for the most part, human beings are built for companionship.

                            I find the biggest mistake people make is building their marriage around love...feelings changes over time and people automatically believe that once they don't feel the same way that the relationship is over. Hello...NO ONE feels the same way after years of marriage - people are unlikable Even the "love of your life". Loyalty, respect, communication, and WORK are what keep a marriage intact.

                            To the OP....it sounds like your husband has possibly been going through a very hard time and while not fair to take it out on you - we are only human and even the best of us often say/do things we regret later on.

                            Short sad story...I have a relative who is a Marine and who married his young wife weeks before being deployed. When he came back he was messed up and actually ended having a one night stand during one of leaves in which he was out of state being debriefed.

                            It came out a few months later, wife was devastated, husband was sorry. They tried to make it work but she just couldn't forgive him and he couldn't live with her holding it over his head whenever something went amiss. It was truly sad - barely in their 20's and already divorced. I tried to put myself in their situation - knowing how screwed up he was and how he had suffered and knowing how hurt she was and how difficult it was to forgive - couldn't imagine really.

                            It's very difficult to give marriage advice without knowing both individuals. OP, you should not have to endure abuse of any kind but do keep in mind that we ALL say things we don't mean in the heat of the moment. Again, I don't know you or your husband so I do hope everything works out for you whatever ends up happening.

                            And to keep it HR - my husband doesn't much like horses at all and my ENTIRE family is actually in the horse business so it can be a strain...marriage is about compromise however. I don't think it's particularily healthy to have the "accept it or leave" kind of attitude - I think more importantly that both parties should be aware and respectful of each other's passions BEFORE tying the knot so there are no surprises.
                            \"Don\'t go throwing effort after foolishness\" >>>Spur, Man From Snowy River

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by smilton View Post
                              Did your horses contribute to your divorce? Did you keep your horses afterwards?
                              No they didn't contribute, and yes I kept the horses and everything that was horse related, including the truck, trailer, and barn tools. He got all his very expensive tools and his car. We split the house stuff in half.

                              Trying to take my horses from me and succeeding would have meant a lifetime in a wheel chair for him-----------

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by goeslikestink View Post
                                when my mate got devorced she had 2 neds one was her old girl before they met the other she brought of me after they met and hes my neds full brother so was going to be in the devorce proceedings that was until she sold him to for 10p and i kept him for 2 years as she couldnt afford 2 and she didnt want him to have her other neddy and she didnt want the neddy to go somewhere horrid so she sold him to me

                                not only that but shes my best matey and i knew her horse was old and when it died she wouldnt be able to afford another horse plus i couldnt see her horseless not her to be without one so i came up with the idea to beat the system
                                but if you do that type of thing you have to have 100% trust on the other person buying the horse risky but my mate knew it was a genuine offer without risk of losing her horse forever
                                shes is like family to me as we have known one another for over 30yrs and more

                                so ra was with me for 2 years come when she moved yards with another mate as she a bit further away from me anyways they decided to rent a yard between them so thats when she brought him back-- we fed well happy and well looked after
                                now its competitions between me and her as maties we often go to events together or meet there shes remarried now and has a child and is happy al be that her old horse did die she still has the other one and my thoughts were spot on - she cant be horseless
                                BEST.FRIEND.EVER

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                                • #76
                                  So my first marriage ended not because of horses but beer. Now had he given the horses the beer the one arab gelding may not have tried to kill me.
                                  Anyway, I agree with the others that they don't need to share your interest and in fact my new boyfriend is a allgeric to them so he stays far away from them. However, he does support my barn time and my hobby.
                                  My ex husband was always trying to "show me how to train my horse" yeah that was a laugh especially when my stud almost kicked his a**. He didn't know his head from his a**!!! I found out that was about a lot of this things in our marriage.
                                  So good luck and hang in there...
                                  Oh yeah I kept my mare but left the bad horse for him to deal with since it was "his" horse. The stud was before the mare he passed away...I miss my boy.
                                  Last edited by barrelchick00; Mar. 4, 2009, 10:51 PM. Reason: spelling
                                  Proud Owner of Acertifiable Sonny 1996 AQHA Sorrel Gelding
                                  -- I loff my QH Clique

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                                  • #77
                                    smilton- you sound like one heck of a girl! good for you!!

                                    My first marriage ended in divorce, working on my second now, he's not horsey, but I think he thinks it keeps me busy and therefore out of trouble!
                                    http://community.webshots.com/user/summitspringsfarm

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                                    • #78
                                      There's nothing incompatible with horses and beer? That was always a special treat for a German-bred warmblood I had.

                                      I bought a Selle Francais with the understanding she would have white wine and french bread as a Sunday treat. I'd be popping a cork of something cheap and breaking up the bread at the barn every Sunday. That was her treat and she loved it.
                                      "Sic Gorgiamus Allos Subjectatos Nunc"

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                                      • #79
                                        Originally posted by Trakehner View Post
                                        I bought a Selle Francais with the understanding she would have white wine and french bread as a Sunday treat. I'd be popping a cork of something cheap and breaking up the bread at the barn every Sunday. That was her treat and she loved it.
                                        Awww Trak, this made me smile!

                                        Casper hates beer; he's a Pepsi boy all the way. Mack prefers water thank you, although Cloud likes beer if he can get it.
                                        Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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                                        • #80
                                          Originally posted by bamboozled View Post
                                          Interesting thread, as my friends and I were just discussing the economy, having kids in college, jobs being "rightsized", etc. We were pondering the cost of so many things these days.

                                          Of course we ruminated over women we knew that are divorced due to the horse thing, and how all this might affect them. Some are working, some are not. Not to be morbid or insensitive in any way, so please forgive me, but what is the monetary cost attached to a divorce?
                                          The short answer is that divorce is inherently expensive. People who divorce have to realize that the same pool of money that supported one household now has to support two. Two houses, two sets of household stuff, two sets of utility bills etc. If you have kids....it is not just the cost of clothes or food you have to consider that two "units" are now looking after the same kids, (household, utilities, vacations, etc...) unless the non custodial parent just visits with the kids and that is less and less common. More people opt for shared parenting type arrangements.

                                          Often things will even up again if the spouses end up partnering up with someone else down the road (who ideally has their own income, no children, grown children or children for whom they are receiving child support).

                                          Also, in terms of legal fees, people can try to keep the costs down by utilizing the services of a mediator or, frankly, not fighting over every damn thing. You will pay for every call to the lawyer, every document drafted and filed, every minute of court time. So it can run from the mere thousands to the 10's of thousands, depending on how many issues the parties are going to fight about.

                                          Use a lawyer that practises a lot of family law...not someone who dabbles. You don't want to end up paying for their "learning curve".

                                          What is really expensive is if one side gets a lawyer and the other side doesn't...very frustrating because everthing takes more times, very little can be agreed on or done expeditiously.

                                          Anyway, if the marriage is bad and there is no hope for improvement all the money in the world is not worth staying in a soul destroying marriage but people have to go into divorce with the long term goal of agreeing to as much before hand as possible and keeping things civil especially for the sake of children. What angry people do to children in a divorce....

                                          None of this may apply to the OP, I'm just adding these comments as a general PSA.

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