Some snips of misinformation from Northbeach and responses to such:
SNIP "what more and more graphic designers are going to is the on-line photo galleries. Depending on the photo site (all photos are by professional photographers), you either pay a set fee for unlimited use of any photo listed on the site (there are thousands) or you pay a flat fee for each photo depending on the size of the photo - regardless of what it is used for and once you buy the photo, you can use it in multiple medians. None of the charges on any of these sites is anywhere near the $350 charge listed in this thread."
This description reflects royalty free images of stock subjects - not images of your horse made just for you to promote your business. There are 2 types of stock images: royalty free - RF - (pay one fee use however you wish) and rights managed (license the image for the use YOU need for only the use you need at a fair rate, meaning differing levels for differing levels of use). If you can use these RF to successfully promote your business - fantastic! If you want images of your horse, you'll need to look elsewhere to get them and since most pros don't have significant stock files (shot on speculation at their expense) containing dozens of images of YOUR horse you will likely need to contract the shooting services of a pro and you will need to license the rights to use the resulting image to enhance your income from your horse activities. That's what advertising photography is about: images custom made to promote and licensed by the owner of the image (the creator) to do that job for the person who is trying to make $ via that promotion effort. And this is not just in general advertising photography but in equine advertising photography as well. Once in awhile, you can get lucky and find a stock image (one already shot on the photographers speculation & at NO COST TO YOU) but usually to ensure you get what you want, you'll want to have some work done to meet your needs.
SNIP "when you hire a photographer for a farm shoot, you are paying the photographer an hourly rate and all expenses so those photos should belong to the farm owner and should NEVER have to pay another dime to use any of those photos. If I hired a landscape designer should I have to then pay him/her a yearly fee? If I hired an interior designer, should I then have to pay a yearly fee?"
Actually all professional photographers decide how they will run their business individually as is their right and the vast majority of them (especially the good ones) do not do work for hire which is the scenario you describe. Why? Because it is generally considered the place to offload subpar images and there is not enough money in it and because most want to retain rights to THEIR property, their creations, rather than allow others to use them for whatever they wish with no further payment to the creator. The same is true of authors, songwriters, musicians, painters, software developers, etc. Licensing of the owned copyright protected creations is a right provided for by US Federal Copyright law as well as the international Berne Convention. These laws also allow creators to restrict any and all use of their work and to control it's display (not allow significant editing, compositing, etc.). Most countries subscribes to this as they recognize the value of creatives in the world. If artists cannot be paid fairly for their work, enough to survive, what will become of their work? It will stop and the world will be a lesser place without some of the great contributions ALL artists make to the world. Copyright ensures EVERY creator the protection of ownership of THEIR creations and the right to control the use of them including the licensing of those creations. Landscape designers and interior designers and website designers may choose not to avail themselves of copyright protection for their creations but no one is screaming at them insisting that they must. Photographers as a rule do avail themselves of this protection and they have every right to choose to do so. If you were using the landscape design or the interior design to promote YOUR income stream, your business, then these designers would have every right to license the rights to use their work in your advertisement for a fee of their choosing. This is federal law and international law regardless of whether you like it or not. Sometimes we just have to work with what is....
A SNIP from another in this thread on work for hire: "The graphic designer or the website producer do not get a royalty, no matter how long their work is used. That is because they do a work for hire. Similarly, if your doctor cures you of cancer, you don't pay him an extra royalty for each year you survive."
Graphic designers and website designers are free to choose their business model just as are photographers. The fact remains that many, including the best of both, choose not to do work for hire. Graphic designers in the mainstream license their works just as photographers do - by the value received from the use of their design, by press run or by time limit. That licensing fee may be rolled into the total fee making it quite large in the case of a very talented designer or it may be billed separately. Same with website design. The web designer rarely just hands over their design for someone else to maintain, upgrade, etc. They charge maintenance charges that are in effect a way to have additional fees over time to keep it going and of course as the creators they are entitled to do this and do not have to hand it over as in a work for hire. If they do that is strictly their choice and option to do so just as it is the photographers option to maintain ownership of their work to maximize revenue from it over time. Doctors are not creators and so cannot have any protection under copyright laws.
SNIP "what more and more graphic designers are going to is the on-line photo galleries. Depending on the photo site (all photos are by professional photographers), you either pay a set fee for unlimited use of any photo listed on the site (there are thousands) or you pay a flat fee for each photo depending on the size of the photo - regardless of what it is used for and once you buy the photo, you can use it in multiple medians. None of the charges on any of these sites is anywhere near the $350 charge listed in this thread."
This description reflects royalty free images of stock subjects - not images of your horse made just for you to promote your business. There are 2 types of stock images: royalty free - RF - (pay one fee use however you wish) and rights managed (license the image for the use YOU need for only the use you need at a fair rate, meaning differing levels for differing levels of use). If you can use these RF to successfully promote your business - fantastic! If you want images of your horse, you'll need to look elsewhere to get them and since most pros don't have significant stock files (shot on speculation at their expense) containing dozens of images of YOUR horse you will likely need to contract the shooting services of a pro and you will need to license the rights to use the resulting image to enhance your income from your horse activities. That's what advertising photography is about: images custom made to promote and licensed by the owner of the image (the creator) to do that job for the person who is trying to make $ via that promotion effort. And this is not just in general advertising photography but in equine advertising photography as well. Once in awhile, you can get lucky and find a stock image (one already shot on the photographers speculation & at NO COST TO YOU) but usually to ensure you get what you want, you'll want to have some work done to meet your needs.
SNIP "when you hire a photographer for a farm shoot, you are paying the photographer an hourly rate and all expenses so those photos should belong to the farm owner and should NEVER have to pay another dime to use any of those photos. If I hired a landscape designer should I have to then pay him/her a yearly fee? If I hired an interior designer, should I then have to pay a yearly fee?"
Actually all professional photographers decide how they will run their business individually as is their right and the vast majority of them (especially the good ones) do not do work for hire which is the scenario you describe. Why? Because it is generally considered the place to offload subpar images and there is not enough money in it and because most want to retain rights to THEIR property, their creations, rather than allow others to use them for whatever they wish with no further payment to the creator. The same is true of authors, songwriters, musicians, painters, software developers, etc. Licensing of the owned copyright protected creations is a right provided for by US Federal Copyright law as well as the international Berne Convention. These laws also allow creators to restrict any and all use of their work and to control it's display (not allow significant editing, compositing, etc.). Most countries subscribes to this as they recognize the value of creatives in the world. If artists cannot be paid fairly for their work, enough to survive, what will become of their work? It will stop and the world will be a lesser place without some of the great contributions ALL artists make to the world. Copyright ensures EVERY creator the protection of ownership of THEIR creations and the right to control the use of them including the licensing of those creations. Landscape designers and interior designers and website designers may choose not to avail themselves of copyright protection for their creations but no one is screaming at them insisting that they must. Photographers as a rule do avail themselves of this protection and they have every right to choose to do so. If you were using the landscape design or the interior design to promote YOUR income stream, your business, then these designers would have every right to license the rights to use their work in your advertisement for a fee of their choosing. This is federal law and international law regardless of whether you like it or not. Sometimes we just have to work with what is....
A SNIP from another in this thread on work for hire: "The graphic designer or the website producer do not get a royalty, no matter how long their work is used. That is because they do a work for hire. Similarly, if your doctor cures you of cancer, you don't pay him an extra royalty for each year you survive."
Graphic designers and website designers are free to choose their business model just as are photographers. The fact remains that many, including the best of both, choose not to do work for hire. Graphic designers in the mainstream license their works just as photographers do - by the value received from the use of their design, by press run or by time limit. That licensing fee may be rolled into the total fee making it quite large in the case of a very talented designer or it may be billed separately. Same with website design. The web designer rarely just hands over their design for someone else to maintain, upgrade, etc. They charge maintenance charges that are in effect a way to have additional fees over time to keep it going and of course as the creators they are entitled to do this and do not have to hand it over as in a work for hire. If they do that is strictly their choice and option to do so just as it is the photographers option to maintain ownership of their work to maximize revenue from it over time. Doctors are not creators and so cannot have any protection under copyright laws.
Believe me, I do delete alot. What I find so wonderful about digitial is I can take a million photos, review them and if I don't have what I want, I can then delete it and do some more until I get what I'm after. I have found with time, I am improving my skills as well. I have learned what works better and learned from my mistakes. I just find it more affordable for me. I spent 750.00 on ebay in 1999 and have been able to do all my photos for myself ever since. If, I was really wealthy, believe me I would have professionals out again. For me it is just an ecomomical choice that works for me. It may not be for everyone and we all have our choices to make. 
no hard feelings!
Anything that I can't do, which is alot, I have her do. But, if I'm capable, I do it. She has tried to teach me to do more, but I just don't get some of it! And believe me if I can learn to do some editing,anyone can!!! 
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