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  • If I didn't think my guy would be a total butt about it...I'd love to do a team-penning. I generally ditch the english saddle and throw on my friends circle-y when we hit the trails.

    I would LOVE to ride a really well trained reiner or cutting horse. It'd be worth it if I fell off!

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    • Looks like we got a couple of Long Island cowgirls here ...cool !!!
      Whats that Alan Jackson song(right performer?).....she's gone country?? Grew up on Long Island <g>
      I hear ya on reaching for those trail gates on a big horse.....my guy is 16.3(built like a hummer, too), and everytime I get on him, I am reminded of just how big he is...nose bleed time, every time
      LoriO.what happened to the arm kiddo???

      "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

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      http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/
      Eileen
      ~~Cowgirl Clique~~ ~~Reriders/AKA Fossils On The Flats Clique~~~


      \"Always saddle your own horse.\" Connie Reeves 1901-2003 Member of the Cowgirl Hall Of Fame

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      • LIHS, I developed Cubital Tunnel Syndrome in my right elbow (basically the same as carpal tunnel, but in the elbow) Had surgery on Wednesday to fix it. Major PITA!!!!!!! No riding for me for a while.

        It's only been 3 days since the surgery & I'm already bored out of my mind. 3 1/2 more weeks of sitting home. AAAAAUUUUUUGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!!!!

        I can relate to the tall horse trouble. Liz is 16 hands. Of course the other horses at the barn are all about 15'1 to 15'2. I feel like I tower over them.

        All gave some...And some gave all...God bless the USA
        "You are under arrest for operating your mouth under the influence of
        ignorance!" Officer Beck

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by scotchdun:
          DH,
          You're not the only one who cross-trains. One of the local dressage shows (about 5 years ago) had a Western Dressage class. You had to do a Training Level test in your western regalia. There was quite a turnout - about 11 or 12 in the class. We got 3rd - the mare would not hang her neck (!!) across the walk diagonal - but got "best turnout" which figures because I have always been better groomed and turned out than trained! I'd like to find one of those classes now and take my reiner/all-around horse in it!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          We had a "trail" class at one of our ADA recognized dressage shows....it was done in dressage saddle and outfit, but over bridges, etc......they used one of AQHA's patterns. It was a riot!

          &gt;^.,.^&lt;
          ~~Linda

          "My treasures do not clink or glitter; they gleam in the sun and neigh in the night"

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          • Anyone heard anything yet??

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            • As far as I know,it's still under consideration.

              Question to you all ??? How many of you show locally, at non registered shows(4-h, local clubs, etc)? How do you feel the shows are run? What could be done to make them run better?? Class thoughts?
              Division criteria ? etc.

              "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

              The Long Island Horsemen's Society web page
              http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/
              Eileen
              ~~Cowgirl Clique~~ ~~Reriders/AKA Fossils On The Flats Clique~~~


              \"Always saddle your own horse.\" Connie Reeves 1901-2003 Member of the Cowgirl Hall Of Fame

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              • I do just the local shows when I do western, however some of them are under AQHA judges.

                The ones I have been to have been well run! I liked the classes (Pleasure, Equitation, Horsemanship, Trail). There is usually 4 divisions (Youth, Open, Senior, and for WP they have Limit, for if your horse has never won a 1st place at a rated show).

                I have noticed at some shows (but you will always find this somewhere!) the judging was not always fair. At one show the QH judge, picked only tall solid (mostly bays) horses. Where it was quite obvious these other horses (that have shown at the same show before, and done great!) sshould have placed somewhere!

                I also noticed, that the judges at the open shows are still picking the horses that barely move with their heads in the dirt. For western, ok thats fine with me. But what really gets me, is these English Horses basically had a english saddle slapped on them, and moved a tad faster.

                Not what I am used to (I do Hunter), but these were open shows, and I believe they didnt go by QH rules, or based on how those horses go!

                *Gotta Love Those Chestnut Mares With Lots Of Chrome*
                *Gotta Love Those Chestnut Mares With Lots Of Chrome*

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                • So far, I've onlt taken Liz to one show. It was an open 4-H show. Had a great time and thought the judging was very fair

                  All gave some...And some gave all...God bless the USA
                  "You are under arrest for operating your mouth under the influence of
                  ignorance!" Officer Beck

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                  • [QUOTE]Originally posted by LIHS Western Chair:
                    Question to you all ??? How many of you show locally, at non registered shows(4-h, local clubs, etc)? How do you feel the shows are run? What could be done to make them run better?? Class thoughts?
                    Division criteria ? etc.

                    I am on the planning committe for a local open show series and have shown in open shows for many, many years. There are about 3 different levels of open shows around here, with 4-H being the least competitive (for adults, I mean). We usually get western breed show judges for our own little circuit, but it's a trial and error thing. Some past judges will never be invited back. I think they are mostly very fair. Our showbills say that we follow QH rules and we mostly do. We've tried to address issues like clothing and tack differences to accommodate our users, e.g., you can show in Trail in English tack and clothing, but you have to use one hand and the points are accumulated for the Western High Point. We have two daily high point awards and year end awards for each class and overall, which is a saddle. Most people are very friendly and it's a core group that all, by now, know each other and have a good time with it. The prices are cheap at $5 per class so nobody has to get too upset if they blow it. It's a great place to practice new events, too. If it weren't for the breed points, I would never show anything but open shows.

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                    • My daughter shows mainly 4H which she enjoys. Only complaint there is I wish they would do the gaming events in the morning before it gets too hot!

                      She also does Children shows at the local riding club, which I think does an excellent job for the small number of people involved. If they were closer I would try to help more, but its about an hour away, and I can barely make it there in time for the first class.

                      I only do fun shows, and only when I feel like it, my horse is holding shoes on his crappy feet, and the moon is in the 4th quadrant

                      Personally, I love Ben Gay barrels, and twinges in the hinges events. Sometimes they do the 'oldest pair' award, adding the age of you and your horse. This is a lot of fun, cause just making it around safely is everyone's goal!

                      OLD FRIENDS FARM-Equine Retirement-We LOVE Seniors!!
                      Facta non verba

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                      • Speaking of Team Penning and Sorting...

                        For any of you guys who want to try it, go for it!! I did sorting once with my 4 yr old mare.

                        I had soo much fun!! The only part that I found scary, was that everyone else who was there had done this many times, and almost half of them did it competetively.

                        They were all very nice to me, and helped me out! I hope to do it again sometime!



                        For those of you that have done both before, which one did you like the best? Find the hardest?

                        I think the sorting would be harder, since you have to get the cows over in order of their numbers without letting them back across, or letting the wrong numbered cow go across.

                        Team penning looks a little easier, but ive never done it, so I wouldnt know!

                        *Gotta Love Those Chestnut Mares With Lots Of Chrome*
                        *Gotta Love Those Chestnut Mares With Lots Of Chrome*

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                        • Interesting about the "peanut roller" issue.....last year we had an APHA judge for our first show, and she did not pick the peanut rollers.......caused quite a commotion with the people who had been showing AQHA and other breed shows.Unfortunately those who did not pin did not return.
                          I know that AQHA & APHA are in the process of 'reteaching" their judges thru their required judging seminars, on the basics on how a pleasure horse should look and move. 4ahorse.com had a viewable video clip on this subject not to long ago, and the horse moved like a horse should move (MYHO). I often wonder, what will happen to those horses that do the 4 beat lope,what will happen to them when things go back to "normal". I would hope that most of them can be retrained, and not dumped in the slaughter line & feed lots (sigh), inlieu of being retrained to a more natural gait.
                          I can't wait for a judges opinion to be posted here
                          Sounds like a wonderful time with the elbow LoriO.....spending to much time on the comp???

                          "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

                          The Long Island Horsemen's Society web page
                          http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/
                          Eileen
                          ~~Cowgirl Clique~~ ~~Reriders/AKA Fossils On The Flats Clique~~~


                          \"Always saddle your own horse.\" Connie Reeves 1901-2003 Member of the Cowgirl Hall Of Fame

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LIHS Western Chair:
                            Interesting about the "peanut roller" issue.....
                            I know that AQHA & APHA are in the process of 'reteaching" their judges thru their required judging seminars, on the basics on how a pleasure horse should look and move. 4ahorse.com had a viewable video clip on this subject not to long ago, and the horse moved like a horse should move (MYHO). I can't wait for a judges opinion to be posted here
                            Sounds like a wonderful time with the elbow LoriO.....spending to much time on the comp???

                            "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

                            The Long Island Horsemen's Society web page
                            http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            AMEN to that! As a former english rider/exhibitor, I get pretty tired of everyone saying that all paints and QHs are peanut rollers. To me, (Oh, here we go on this topic,LOL), the peanut pusher/4 beater is not the definition of a pleasure horse of any type. That's not to say that some of them (who go that way naturally) may not be a "pleasure" to ride, but it's time that owners/trainers stopped forcing horses to go that way! Especially that 4 beat lope/trot gait, it makes the horse look lame!!

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                            • &lt;goes to Ebay and gets a gross of flame suits......saves them for future use

                              "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

                              The Long Island Horsemen's Society web page
                              http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/
                              Eileen
                              ~~Cowgirl Clique~~ ~~Reriders/AKA Fossils On The Flats Clique~~~


                              \"Always saddle your own horse.\" Connie Reeves 1901-2003 Member of the Cowgirl Hall Of Fame

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                              • Found it......the link to AQHA pleasure clip
                                http://www.4ahorse.com/videos.html

                                "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

                                The Long Island Horsemen's Society web page
                                http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/lihs/
                                Eileen
                                ~~Cowgirl Clique~~ ~~Reriders/AKA Fossils On The Flats Clique~~~


                                \"Always saddle your own horse.\" Connie Reeves 1901-2003 Member of the Cowgirl Hall Of Fame

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                                • The only problem I have with the judgeing in my area is that out of the 5 shows for the season, 1 the judge is judging and the rest they are showing at!!!!!!
                                  Things tend to get very "cliq-ish" and the same people win at every show on the same horses they have been showing since I started, and when they arent there they are at AQHA and WHA shows!!

                                  We jsut got our new APHA rule book and it has the "standard" position for the head set.
                                  Level from withers to pole and head slightly in front of vertical. - Also horse is to be judged on how it moves concidering its conformation.
                                  Glad I didnt show western in the day of the peanut roller I hate it, and would of been one of the odd ones out not conforming to that trend.
                                  This year Im showing local and regional show's.
                                  Cant wait.

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                                  • We usually do a couple of open shows each year in addition to APHA shows. They're a great place to get your horse out and about without the pressure or expense of a breed show.

                                    We've encountered good, not so good and down right awful judges over the years. There is an older gentleman who we've shown to a couple of times who likes "their heads up and getting there" in WP classes. I really don't like it when my super slow but non 4-beating and non peanut rolling Sup. WP horse gets beat by horses who are literally getting chased around the pen. When you show, you're asking for the honest opinion of the judge. This man's idea of good is vastly different from mine so we just don't go to shows where he has been hired.

                                    I live with a judge and pester him with "what if" questions all the time. I don't know what shows or judges YourDesire is speaking of specifically, but don't automatically assume that a judge is picking the peanut roller because s/he thinks that is the most desirable way for a WP horse to go. If the peanut roller has a steady, consistent "pleasurable" ride, the judge often has little choice but to place it over a less consistent ride put in by a truer mover. In that situation, the judge is required to select the lesser fault.

                                    I applaud the APHA judge who specifically excluded the horses with their noses in the dirt. That had to have been a tough thing to do. Now, if we could just get rid of that horrible, afraid-to-move QH shuffle that passes for a walk!!

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                                    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LIHS Western Chair:
                                      Found it......the link to AQHA pleasure clip
                                      http://www.4ahorse.com/videos.html

                                      <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      Thanks for posting the link! I'm on my way now to see if I can view them and actually get anything out of them.

                                      Jo

                                      H*ll just froze over!
                                      ~~Some days are a total waste of makeup.~~

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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Now, if we could just get rid of that horrible, afraid-to-move QH shuffle that passes for a walk!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Oops. Didn't mean to pick on the QHs with that one. A horse came back from a QH trainer's with it so that's the description that rolls around in my head. I see a lot of it in Paint too.

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                                        • No offense taken, Overo......as an AQHA member,owner, Chair for our western shows, and horse lover in general, I applaud you guys for the stand that you seem to be taking in regards to this issue. I am very glad to hear that there are horses out there being retrained to over come this fault (IMOHO). Maybe it's kind of like teaching a horse "impulsion", after all the years of going on the fore.
                                          Seems like there are alot of viable discussions that we can share. I applaud Ste. Hallie for starting this thread.......makes me feel good to know that there are alot of us out there
                                          I just got done today finishing up awards for our annual dinner dance, which is this Friday night. We break down our divisions in walk/jog JR & Sr ( Sr is aka Fossils on the flats !!!), beginner jr & sr, novice adult, and open. As we get into discussions, I'll have to tell you of the rule that my fellow committee members wanted to instill this past year..but more of the 4 beat issue, please

                                          "If the world were truly a rational place. men would ride side saddle." Rita Mae Brown

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                                          Eileen
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