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  • #101
    You need to be actively seeking other buyers for this horse. While his intentions may be genuine, this guy is behaving like a Class A tire kicker.

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    • #102
      He seems to be having some doubts himself...maybe he wonders why the horse hasn't sold yet. But sheesh a PPE would solve many of these issues -- give me your word, that makes me roll my eyes. Or what, he's going to sue you for lying?

      Actually, you should insist the sale be contingent on a PPE from this buyer, since he's coming from so far away. Protects you, too.

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      • #103
        What I'd be afraid about at this point, and given the most recent back and forth, is that you'll haul the horse all that way, the guy will look at and (possibly) try horse and then say "eh, no thanks."

        Or, worse, that he'll take the horse for one week or one month and then get back to you and say that the horse is unsound, you must come and get him and refund my money.

        I think I'd text him back saying that if he's concerned about the soundness of the horse, he should schedule a PPE prior to the 26th. His insistence on your word as a guarantee of soundness strikes me as his preparation for rejecting the horse either immediately or after some period of ownership.
        "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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        • #104
          Posting Trot is right, he's setting this up for a return if he doesn't like the horse.

          Just tell him no at this point, and keep looking for a buyer. All this hassle isn't worth it. I get it that you don't have any inquiries, and you want to move him on. Any way you can get him with a Western barn and get him sold on commission? Ask your vet and farrier if they know of anyone who might be interested in buying him.

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          • #105
            Move on...life's too short to deal with bozos like this guy!

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            • #106
              Tell him to take a hike. This will turn into a goat roping if you even show the horse to this guy!
              "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White

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              • #107
                Good. Lord.

                I don't think I'd want to sell to this guy for the sheer fact that I'd be afraid he'd annoy the poor horse to death.

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                • #108
                  Just going to put this out there, esp. with a buyer that is 'prepping' for a possible return or hassle later on,-please, please, please, please have a sales contract with lines supporting what needs to happen (even if it's nothing) in the event(s):

                  - he gets the horse home and decides he "doesn't like him", within a certain timeframe.

                  -he signs the contract and dates it agreeing the horse is in sound/working condition on the date he picks him up, so if he gets him home and "majikally" the horse is lame all of a sudden (i.e.: he wants to return the horse), you are not held liable and have it in writing he is taking horse in condition shown at trial, and he agrees horse is 'sound' at the time of the trial.
                  "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works."

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                  • #109
                    Posting Trot and Kwill are right.... it sounds like he's already gearing up to try to return the horse to you. He takes it for a week or a month, competes it, then returns it if it isn't as good as he thought it might be. Didn't you say he wanted to use it for roping and it had never done that? Maybe he's trying to do a trial without actually doing a trial...

                    I'd give him an ultimatum at this point. Tell him that if he doesn't come by the 26th, you will no longer consider selling your horse to him. Or, stress getting a PPE. Or, tell him that you have someone else interested... that may get his ass moving if he's really serious!

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                      #110
                      Originally posted by Posting Trot View Post
                      What I'd be afraid about at this point, and given the most recent back and forth, is that you'll haul the horse all that way, the guy will look at and (possibly) try horse and then say "eh, no thanks."
                      Just for clarification - I'm not hauling the horse anywhere, not to NY and not to PA. The guy is tentatively coming to VT. The not hauling horse anywhere was established soon after he first asked.
                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                        #111
                        Originally posted by toady123 View Post
                        You need to be actively seeking other buyers for this horse. While his intentions may be genuine, this guy is behaving like a Class A tire kicker.
                        Horse is still advertised. I've had 2 inquiries since this schmuck has first contacted me and I've provided them with requested videos. I'm not holding the horse for anyone, they just haven't gotten back to me with any interest.
                        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                          #112
                          Okay, so...I spoke with a trusted friend who is also a horse professional and she agrees that something seems shady and he is seemingly getting more aggressive in his pestering of me. She said has a professional, her opinion is that she would tell him to move along and cancel the visit.
                          "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                            #113
                            That being said - help me prepare my notice to him. I know we all need backbones, and I shouldn't be afraid to "hurt his feelings" or whatever, but what do I tell him at this point?

                            "I decided not to sell the horse"?
                            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                            • #114
                              Just tell him you won't guarantee the horse is sound, and won't give your word about it. Given that, you suggest that the visit be cancelled since it's a waste of everyone's time. And if he comes back, say you require a PPE at his expense as a term of the sale -- before he shows up. That should make him run away.

                              Or just tell him you suspect the horse might have an abcess now (don't actually lie and say he does) and you can't show him any more this month.

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                                #115
                                Originally posted by Kwill View Post
                                Just tell him you won't guarantee the horse is sound, and won't give your word about it. Given that, you suggest that the visit be cancelled since it's a waste of everyone's time. And if he comes back, say you require a PPE at his expense as a term of the sale -- before he shows up. That should make him run away.
                                I told him that I made no guarantees and if he wanted a PPE I could give him a list of names and numbers of vets who come to the area. He persisted about me guaranteeing the soundness.

                                My gut says that if he purchased my horse, I get a feeling it wouldn't be the last I heard from him.
                                "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                • #116
                                  Nope, I'd be honest. He's 12+ hours away and doesn't know your home address, and it's not clear he knows exactly where the horse is either (or if so, I missed it?).

                                  "Bob, due to your behavior over text, I no longer have a good feeling about this potential sale. I've gone above and beyond in posting an ad for a $4k horse, I've answered all your questions, and have explained when we can meet and under what circumstances. You've continually attempted to manipulate me into changing my plans or questioned my plans, and are now questioning the soundness of the horse while not getting a PPE to address your concerns. At this point I feel that this will not work for either of us and I've decided to cancel your visit to try the horse. Best of luck."

                                  Or, take out the middle stuff and say "At this point I feel that this will not work for either of us and I've decided to cancel your visit to try the horse. Best of luck."
                                  COTH's official mini-donk enabler

                                  "I am all for reaching out, but in some situations it needs to be done with a rolled up news paper." Alagirl
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                                    #117
                                    I'm SOOOOO not a horse dealer!
                                    "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                      #118
                                      it's not clear he knows exactly where the horse is either
                                      I did not give details; however, he knows the horse is in Vermont, and being used at a local college. It's not hard to figure it out. In light of this, I'd like to prevent really pissing him off.

                                      I think this is best: "At this point I feel that this will not work for either of us and I've decided to cancel your visit to try the horse. Best of luck."

                                      ETA: I did let the gals at the school know that should anyone appear and say they were there to pick up my horse, they are lying and the horse is not to leave.
                                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                      • #119
                                        "At this this point, I don't feel this will sale will work for either of us. Thank you for your interest."

                                        Cross post, but I am agreeing with you.

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                                          #120
                                          This guy is pretty persistent. If I say "At this point this sale is not going to work for me. Best of luck." and he asks why, do I just block his phone number?!
                                          "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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