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  • Original Poster
    #81
    I think we were writing at the same time because that's basically how I replied to js


    Originally posted by red mares View Post
    The horse is apparently bred to be a ranch/roping horse. What is so bad about letting him do what he was bred to do?
    "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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      #82
      The decision to sell has not come easy, which is why I'm so neurotic about this.

      For reference, this is the first horse I've sold, ever in 24 years of horses. Well, there was a pony that I bought from some idiots up the road, and put a year into her, and rehomed her for less than I paid for her, and she's still with that family. But she doesn't count because I bought her to save her, with the intention of giving her an upgrade.

      My personal horses have never been sold, period. He is the first, so I didn't just decide to do this on a whim.
      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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      • #83
        You have gotten yourself into an unusual sales situation for a newbie!

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        • #84
          Originally posted by red mares View Post
          The horse is apparently bred to be a ranch/roping horse. What is so bad about letting him do what he was bred to do?
          Absolutely nothing. Since the OP said he might be good at dressage it was just a suggestion to maybe market him as such. How would he be at barrel racing? Always a good market there too.

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            #85
            Originally posted by js View Post
            Absolutely nothing. Since the OP said he might be good at dressage it was just a suggestion to maybe market him as such. How would he be at barrel racing? Always a good market there too.
            I bought him for this - it's not his thing. If it was, I would be keeping him
            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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              #86
              So, aside from just thinking its odd that he wants to come to Vermont from Ohio, I cannot find one.single.thing that says this would be a bad idea. In fact, in all of my digging on Google, Facebook, phone calls and conversations, etc., everything he has told me completely checks out and has been true to his word. I've spoken with references that he's put me in touch with (who I also googled and facebook stalked lol and they check out too) and didn't have a bad feeling about them either.

              The only thing holding me back was the "what if" he comes and rides in a way that I do not like. I would feel obligated to sell my horse to him because of the distance he drove.

              But, I spoke with a good friend, a few actually, who know my situation with this horse quite well and knows how hard this has been for me. She also pointed out that he could show up and ride him great, and I could feel great about the sale.

              I decided its not worth missing out on a sale of a horse that has had no interest by local buyers for a "what if" situation. If he shows up and his trailer is falling apart or he starts man-handling my horse, I would have no trouble telling him "No" but I truly don't think that will be the case based on my communications with him or his references. Could he be filling me full of crap? Sure, but a more local buyer could do the same, there are no guarantees, so I'm going to go with the fact that everything has checked out and move forward with him coming to try him out.

              Wish me luck, I hope this doesn't end up being a learning experience in a bad way! I shall update either way! He isn't coming until the end of the month (I needed to give the school appropriate notice so we pushed it out a few weeks which was my decision, he was perfectly okay with it.)
              "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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              • #87
                Have some friends with solid backbones, who will tell you the truth whatever it is, be there with you when the guy comes. For moral support, and some extra pairs of eyes. It won't be just you evaluating and feeling the full weight of the decision. If they see something you don't - good OR bad - they can tell you, on the side or right in front of the guy. That kind of friend.

                Tell them whatever they think your feelings are, or the guy's feelings are, that matters LESS than what will be good for the horse. Tell them they are the designated Horse Welfare Advocates.

                Before the trial, let the chosen friends see the background research you have done and form their own impressions.

                If at the end of the trial, all of you are comfortable seeing this horse go to this guy, it will certainly be easier for you to make that decision without second-guessing yourself then or later.

                And do have that 'empty-trailer long-journey-home' conversation with the guy BEFORE he comes. Make it easier for yourself by preparing your exit strategy, and then you hope you won't need it. If he's not cool with that outcome, he shouldn't come. Tell him and yourself that you care more about this horse than you do about him.

                I gather that it is still the case that no one locally has spoken up to even come look at this horse, as I'm sure you would have mentioned it. If you had some local comparisons, or if someone local had already taken him to a forever home, of course that would settle it. But as that has not happened ...

                Maybe destiny is leading this guy to this horse. Or maybe the guy has a screw loose. You are right that if you don't agree to let him try, you'll never know.

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                • #88
                  Good advice to have some friends and/or trainer there for a second opinion.

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                  • #89
                    I don't know when the potential buyer found out about your horse's bloodlines but that could certainly cemented in his mind that he wants this horse.

                    Also I'm not sure how common his particular color is in the roping/cutting world, but in the qh pleasure world, roan is usually a good indicator of desirable bloodlines. Not always but often. So that may have been another thing that the buyer liked.

                    It sounds like you're bring very thorough in your process

                    For perspective, I have a friend buying a horse in that same price range sight unseen but pending a vetting from a long distance away...mostly due to what isn't available in closer markets. Sometimes exactly what you want just isn't local, or you find a "deal" that's still a deal adding in transport.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
                      Have some friends with solid backbones, who will tell you the truth whatever it is, be there with you when the guy comes. For moral support, and some extra pairs of eyes. It won't be just you evaluating and feeling the full weight of the decision. If they see something you don't - good OR bad - they can tell you, on the side or right in front of the guy. That kind of friend.

                      Tell them whatever they think your feelings are, or the guy's feelings are, that matters LESS than what will be good for the horse. Tell them they are the designated Horse Welfare Advocates.

                      Before the trial, let the chosen friends see the background research you have done and form their own impressions.

                      If at the end of the trial, all of you are comfortable seeing this horse go to this guy, it will certainly be easier for you to make that decision without second-guessing yourself then or later.

                      And do have that 'empty-trailer long-journey-home' conversation with the guy BEFORE he comes. Make it easier for yourself by preparing your exit strategy, and then you hope you won't need it. If he's not cool with that outcome, he shouldn't come. Tell him and yourself that you care more about this horse than you do about him.

                      I gather that it is still the case that no one locally has spoken up to even come look at this horse, as I'm sure you would have mentioned it. If you had some local comparisons, or if someone local had already taken him to a forever home, of course that would settle it. But as that has not happened ...

                      Maybe destiny is leading this guy to this horse. Or maybe the guy has a screw loose. You are right that if you don't agree to let him try, you'll never know.
                      Oh yes, my very good friends who know my history and love for this horse have already been part of the process. I have discussed with them my almost-neurotic research that I've done and they all concur there are no red flags, and not much more I could have done to do due diligence. They all agree that at this point, the only thing left to do is have the guy come try him out.

                      My boyfriend, who is a solid-built character, is going to be there with me, and the barn manager will be there on the same day too.

                      Nobody local has even contacted me. Since he's been for sale, I've had 1 person from MA come try him, and she was the only person who has contacted me before this guy.
                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                      • Original Poster
                        #91
                        Originally posted by RegentLion View Post
                        I don't know when the potential buyer found out about your horse's bloodlines but that could certainly cemented in his mind that he wants this horse.

                        Also I'm not sure how common his particular color is in the roping/cutting world, but in the qh pleasure world, roan is usually a good indicator of desirable bloodlines. Not always but often. So that may have been another thing that the buyer liked.

                        It sounds like you're bring very thorough in your process

                        For perspective, I have a friend buying a horse in that same price range sight unseen but pending a vetting from a long distance away...mostly due to what isn't available in closer markets. Sometimes exactly what you want just isn't local, or you find a "deal" that's still a deal adding in transport.
                        He called me in response to the ad, and in that phone discussion, asked that I send him a photo of his papers. I did. The next day is when he called and asked if I could meet him in NY. I said no, the next day he called and said he wanted to make the drive to VT.

                        Roans in the cutting and roping world are pretty common especially with certain bloodlines. Blue Valentine and Hancock to name a few.
                        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                        • #92
                          Since you are new to selling...typically a seller does not call a potential buyer back right away (or at all) if buyer states they would call seller back after checking their schedule to set up appointment. That's in horses, cars, boats, real estate, anything. Sometimes it's a soft way of saying they aren't sure or have changed their minds and are backing out. Or they want to think about it for awhile.

                          See nothing wrong with shooting him a follow up text but not until he's had more then a few days to work his schedule out and get back to you on his own. Maybe if nothing by next Wed. Just send something like "If you are still interested in trying horse, remember we need two weeks to set up trial. Look forward to hearing from you".

                          Then leave it for him to get back.

                          IME, the ones that are really in hurry and have to have it tomorrow tend to drop off the radar if it doesn't close on the first contact, curious how this comes out.

                          Oh, Reminics are typically roan, known for reining but even better as Working Cow Horse and my late BIL had a red roan granddaughter who was a hell of a Penner and Heeler in team roping-despite BIL on it after a six pack.
                          When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                          The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                          • Original Poster
                            #93
                            Since you are new to selling...typically a seller does not call a potential buyer back right away (or at all) if buyer states they would call seller back after checking their schedule to set up appointment. That's in horses, cars, boats, real estate, anything. Sometimes it's a soft way of saying they aren't sure or have changed their minds and are backing out. Or they want to think about it for awhile.

                            See nothing wrong with shooting him a follow up text but not until he's had more then a few days to work his schedule out and get back to you on his own. Maybe if nothing by next Wed. Just send something like "If you are still interested in trying horse, remember we need two weeks to set up trial. Look forward to hearing from you".

                            Then leave it for him to get back.
                            I think you misunderstood my sequence of events (understandable since it was like a novel ). That is the way it went. The trial is already scheduled.

                            He made initial contact, I have not reached out to him in any way other than to return one of his calls or texts.
                            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                            • #94
                              Ohhhhhh....OK, just got the two possible dates mentioned out of this. My bad.

                              When is he coming? Realize we need a full report.
                              When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                              The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                              • Original Poster
                                #95
                                Originally posted by findeight View Post
                                Ohhhhhh....OK, just got the two possible dates mentioned out of this. My bad.

                                When is he coming? Realize we need a full report.
                                March 20th. I will report for sure!
                                "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                • Original Poster
                                  #96
                                  Actually, I did initiate contact yesterday - I sent a text asking for his address for the Certificate of Veterinary Inspection that my vet is doing in anticipation for his sale. He responded promptly and thanked me for getting things lined up ahead of time.
                                  "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                  • #97
                                    Thats different from a follow up sales call trying to prompt a buyer into a firm decision. And nice of you to take care of for an out of state buyer.
                                    When opportunity knocks it's wearing overalls and looks like work.

                                    The horse world. Two people. Three opinions.

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                                    • Original Poster
                                      #98
                                      Originally posted by findeight View Post
                                      Thats different from a follow up sales call trying to prompt a buyer into a firm decision. And nice of you to take care of for an out of state buyer.
                                      The horse needs a current coggins at the moment anyways, his 12 month period from last year's was up in February. So I just told the vet to include the CVI and vaccines (in case the horse does not sell, I don't need to pay for another barn call later).
                                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                        #99
                                        So, I sent a text last night to make sure we were still on for the 20th.

                                        He responded asking if I could haul the horse to PA on the 18th since I'm going to be there anyways (which is why I cannot meet him on Saturday the 19th because we're driving home from PA). I said no, other factors prevent me from hauling a horse to PA, not going to happen. He says Ok.

                                        Asks if I can meet Saturday afternoon/evening.

                                        No - I already explained this, I cannot. Our original date agreed was the 20th. That is when I can show the horse.

                                        He insists that PA is closer to VT than an all day drive, and surely I will be home late afternoon on Saturday.

                                        I say No, it is not, it's a 9 hour drive and we will have several stops along the way because we are traveling with an infant. I insist that Sunday is the day I can meet.

                                        He asks if my parents can meet him at the school on Saturday to try the horse.

                                        I again, say "NO. The 20th was the plan back on 2/28 because that is what worked. I can be there as early as 9 AM on that Sunday"

                                        His response "I'm spending 24-26 hours on the road to come try him, you give me your word for him to be 100% sound"

                                        Um. No. I responded that "Nobody guarantees anything. You're welcome to have a PPE if you would like. I can give you names and numbers of vets that service the area. I am going to bed. Call me tomorrow if you want to talk more."

                                        His response "I do realize there are no guarantees. I was raised on how a person stands by their word. What is your word in regards to him? May I ask why I can't try him Saturday evening later perhaps? Just trying to work it out. One of the girls I work with is having a baby and I'm going to have to be at work early Monday morning. It's simple, if it doesn't work for you, then I'll have to find another weekend. Thanks."

                                        30 minutes later I get another text "so is your horse sound or not?"

                                        I stopped replying because I was getting annoyed. I explained myself several times why I could not meet on Saturday, which was none of his business why, but I explained anyways. Then, he wants me to guarantee the horse sound. He's in regular work and is sound but we all know that nothing is guaranteed with horses when it comes to soundness. No, I'm not going to guarantee anything. Pay for a PPE if you want to know more than you can see with the naked eye.

                                        This morning I get a text "the 26th will work. you still haven't answered me if your horse is sound or not"

                                        I replied "are you absolutely sure the 26th will work? I need to tell the school. The horse is sound in regular work. I have not had issues with him being lame. as you know, nothing is a guarantee"

                                        "let me confirm (the 26th) and I"ll text you later"

                                        OMIGHERD. Now he still has to confirm the 26th?!?!?! Can this guy read? I want to tell him don't bother because he's p*ssing me right off.
                                        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                        • #100
                                          Sounds like he's getting cold feet now. I am wondering why in the heck he wouldn't want a PPE for a horse that's this far away.

                                          How ridiculous -- at this point I would just be saying forget it, myself.

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