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Potential buyers are making me crazy (Formerly: Crazy guy from Ohio thread)

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  • He's a nut. I will say texting is not always a great way to communicate, but he did get crazy there with it.

    My mom & I drove 6+ hours on a Sat am to see a horse that when we got there oops came in NQR from turnout. We looked at him, spent the night, looked at him again in the morning & drove home. Told seller to call us when he was sound to do a PPE.

    We never would have thought to blame the seller. We were just like that's horses. lol
    "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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    • I got a flight to go look at a horse, and when I got there the horse wasn't right...turns out the guy had his help fetch her in from the back of the property and he never had looked at her. She had West Nile virus. He then tried to pitch another horse to me for $3500 more...she was ridable but NOT what I went to look at. Yeah, that was a very NOT FUN trip.
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        Let's see...where did this thread leave off...?

        Let me start by saying - weirdo man from OH seems to have gotten the hint. I haven't heard from him since my last long thread of our text messages. Whew!

        On March 13th I had the test ride from somebody fairly local. It went well; they told me they would let me know. A few days went by, and the mom text me that they wanted to come back with their trainer if that was okay. I said certainly...when can you come?

        dom dom dom...... Saturday, March 19th (you know, the day I'm driving back from PA! ARGH!) I asked them if there was any way they could meet me Sunday, March 20th, and there isn't. They aren't sure if they can make it back during the week either because they live 2.5 hours away. CRAP! Now what?!

        So I called my friend who works at the college, and ask her if she can facilitate them coming back to try him with trainer. I didn't offer this to crazy man from OH because, well, he was from OH, and I needed to be there if he wanted to buy him. These people likely wouldn't want to sign papers that day, so it worked to have someone there in my place. Plus, they'd been there before and ridden him; this was just a return with trainer. My friend agreed even though she didn't really want to (thank you friend, I'll love you forever!)

        She called me when they were done - said it went very well, they were glad they came back with trainer. Trainer told my friend that she wanted them to purchase just based on the video they got of girl riding him the first time they came to try him on the 13th.

        I sent the mom an e-mail Saturday night, said I hoped everything went well, and to let me know if they had any questions. Later in the evening she said everything went great, they really liked him, and that she'd call me Sunday the 20th.

        Sunday the 20th comes and goes, I get a text late Sunday night - they are still thinking and will let me know soon.

        A week goes by. Nothing. Then I see a relative of their actively looking for a horse for them on social media. I waited until Saturday, March 26th to send a text. Asked if they had any questions. Response: they liked him and would recommend him if they knew anyone who would be a good fit but the girl wants a long and low quarter horse.

        Okay - back to trying to sell my horse.

        I get a few responses to his ad on social media and some from craigslist.

        Let me just say to those of you who sell horses for a living....you are saints! I can't handle the amount of stupid crap I get in regards to his ad...

        He's advertised for $4k...I've had 2 people offer me $1500 - the first gal I know, she's local, sends me a random message that she'll buy him for $1500 if I'd take that for him. When I said no, she said she figured that would be my answer but it didn't hurt to ask. The second person sent me a message on FB, first question was "what is the lowest you will sell him for?" I said I wouldn't go any lower than $3,000 - her response: I can't afford that, it's way above my price range, I can only afford $1,500 because I have vet bills to pay. Alrighty then.

        Another woman, an older rider who hasn't ridden in 10 years, replied to his ad looking for a calm trail horse that isn't spooky (apparently she did not read my ad because it specifically states that while he will trail ride, he gets hot and can be spooky...) uh, no, moving on...

        Then today the same lady that could only afford $1500 because of vet bills sends me another message today explaining that she can't pay more than $2000 because he's not a 1D barrel horse and that's what she's used to riding. Well, good luck with that...if you're looking for a 1D barrel horse your price range will need to come up some from $2000!

        OMG! I am exhausted from dealing with these people. How in the world do you do it?!

        On a good note, it appears that for every 3rd crazy person, there is 1 sane person in the bunch. I had an inquiry from a gal in NJ last night, we spoke on the phone, I really liked her, she is very interested. I am sending along some more photos that she asked for, and she will be contacting me again soon. Cross your fingers, I seem to have a decent gut feeling, and I really liked this woman. She seems like a great match for him, as well as a good home. She's offered to provide me with her vet and farrier's phone number to use as references as well as photos of her barn and fences.

        I don't technically NEED to sell him, but I do hope he sells soon, because I'm not sure how much more of this crazy horse buyer behavior I can stand!
        "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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        • Originally posted by SuckerForHorses View Post
          Then today the same lady that could only afford $1500 because of vet bills sends me another message today explaining that she can't pay more than $2000 because he's not a 1D barrel horse and that's what she's used to riding.
          The next time she texts you (and there WILL be a next time) tell her the next time she texts you with an offer for anything less than 4K his price goes up to 5K, special, just for her.

          My favorite was years ago when I was selling a big, pretty good moving TB. Hisone fault was that there was no way he was going to be competitive at A shows (that's the kindest thing I can say about the quality of his jump). At the time I was showing at the AA/AAA level on a horse I mostly got there myself, without a trainer most shows. So if I told you a) my background/expertise level and b) I was selling this horse for this price it was because he wasn't going to be competitive at that level, you might want to believe me. Especially if I more or less begged you to wait for me to send you a DVD (pre-facebook/you tube days) before you drove across 2 states to come see him.

          Nope. Very few people took my word at face value. They just KNEW he was the Devon winner hiding in a backyard. Ahem. No. And wasted my time and theirs (a hell of a lot more of their time though, so I just took it in stride).

          My favorite one was a trainer who looked at me with sad eyes and said, "He is so lovely, such a beautiful mover, so kind... if only he didn't have that jump..."

          I replied, "If he didn't have that jump he would be my next ammy horse or his price would include another zero to the left of the decimal point."

          We both got a good giggle out of that one. Which is probably the best advice of all: Keep your sense of humor handy at all times. You're gonna need it.
          Last edited by DMK; Mar. 29, 2016, 05:15 PM. Reason: left I meant left of the decimal point (seriously, I make my living ebing good at numbers. You'd never know it!)
          Your crazy is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.

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            My favorite one was a trainer who looked at me with sad eyes and said, "He is so lovely, such a beautiful mover, so kind... if only he didn't have that jump..."

            I replied, "If he didn't have that jump he would be my next ammy horse or his price would include another zero to the right of the decimal point."
            Ah, yes, when the woman ($1500 offer #2) said that about him not being a 1D barrel horse, she followed it up with the fact that she can't guarantee that he ever will be because right now he's just loping the pattern. My response to her was: "Well yeah, because if I knew he was going to be a 1D barrel horse, he wouldn't be for sale!" HELLO!
            "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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            • Well--crazy people aside--sometimes strange things happen in sales that just make things work out.

              I sold a cool little Arab mare two years ago when life got busy and a little too tight financially. Had a great lady come check her out, but she wasn't sure because she had just started looking for another horse, as her current horse had to be put down due to COPD. Long story short, she fell in love with my horse and wanted to buy her on the spot. Didn't put any money down, but I considered her sold anyway. Took nearly two months for her to pick her up, as they didn't have an open stall, since the current horse had to be put down and buried (weather, vet schedules, etc.)

              But you know what? She loves the horse and they work perfectly together. If you feel right about something, go with it. I had a good gut feeling on this too--my first sale--and it worked out perfectly.

              Good luck!

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              • Ahhh Facebook. I just flat out ignore anyone who says "what's your bottom dollar?" It's rude and a Facebook anomaly and nobody actually serious would say that. Your 1D barrel horse probably can't ride at all and her low ball offer is just wishful thinking.
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                • If you really want crazy, just advertise a horse for free. Good God Gerdy!

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                  • I just sold a consignment for a seller who tried to do it herself. She was forced to sell him due to a job relocation and it was hard for to handle it emotionally. I gave her some free advise on pricing and marketing, but she priced him way too low and got inundated with the crazy buyers. One lady told her that she didn't bother with fencing and just let her horses wander loose on her property (and who knows where else.)

                    After a few weeks of the loonies, he was sent to me. I repriced him for the market and he had a contract within 5 days to a great situation. PPE was yesterday and he is now in his new home. She got $1500 more for her horse than she was asking. I probably could have gotten more if I had been able to advertise him longer, but the situation was good enough to merit a quick sale. Even paying a commission, board and a float, she came out way ahead.
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                      Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
                      I just sold a consignment for a seller who tried to do it herself. She was forced to sell him due to a job relocation and it was hard for to handle it emotionally. I gave her some free advise on pricing and marketing, but she priced him way too low and got inundated with the crazy buyers. One lady told her that she didn't bother with fencing and just let her horses wander loose on her property (and who knows where else.)

                      After a few weeks of the loonies, he was sent to me. I repriced him for the market and he had a contract within 5 days to a great situation. PPE was yesterday and he is now in his new home. She got $1500 more for her horse than she was asking. I probably could have gotten more if I had been able to advertise him longer, but the situation was good enough to merit a quick sale. Even paying a commission, board and a float, she came out way ahead.
                      Yeah, the $4k he's advertised at was more to weed out the crazies; I would take less but when you start low you get the crazies AND don't have as much negotiation room. But even at $4k, they still come out of nowhere apparently!
                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                      • Originally posted by IronwoodFarm View Post
                        I just sold a consignment for a seller who tried to do it herself. She was forced to sell him due to a job relocation and it was hard for to handle it emotionally. I gave her some free advise on pricing and marketing, but she priced him way too low and got inundated with the crazy buyers. One lady told her that she didn't bother with fencing and just let her horses wander loose on her property (and who knows where else.)

                        After a few weeks of the loonies, he was sent to me. I repriced him for the market and he had a contract within 5 days to a great situation. PPE was yesterday and he is now in his new home. She got $1500 more for her horse than she was asking. I probably could have gotten more if I had been able to advertise him longer, but the situation was good enough to merit a quick sale. Even paying a commission, board and a float, she came out way ahead.
                        There is a great deal of wisdom in this post ...

                        OP, have you considered sending him to a very reputable person to sell for you, someone as good at this as Ironwood Farm? That does not mean you are abandoning him to the fates - it may mean the opposite. A much better chance at a good long-term future.

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                          Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post
                          There is a great deal of wisdom in this post ...

                          OP, have you considered sending him to a very reputable person to sell for you, someone as good at this as Ironwood Farm? That does not mean you are abandoning him to the fates - it may mean the opposite. A much better chance at a good long-term future.
                          I am in Vermont...where there aren't as many options for such things as in other locations. But I did involve a friend who has been "in the business" to help me write his ad and give me what she thought was a good starting price point.
                          "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                          • I'm more of a lurker on these boards than a poster, but I must say as I unwind from the work week I got more than a little excited that this thread was back.

                            Although, for my own selfish reasons, I do kind of wish your first buyer was still expressing interest. Just for the entertainment

                            Good luck with your sale!

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                              Originally posted by Shorehorse View Post
                              I'm more of a lurker on these boards than a poster, but I must say as I unwind from the work week I got more than a little excited that this thread was back.

                              Although, for my own selfish reasons, I do kind of wish your first buyer was still expressing interest. Just for the entertainment

                              Good luck with your sale!
                              Sorry to disappoint! I'll be sure to update here if he returns, although I hope he does NOT!

                              I did have a 12 year old respond to his ad today...oy...I said "Please have your parent or trainer contact me."
                              "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                              • I would never use an agent, absolutely refused to, until I did and then wondered why the he*l I was so stubborn for so very many years. Highly recommend it now, well worth the commission and any training board involved. Much less drama and aggravation in both buying and selling.

                                Oh, and if you think you only get crazies on cheap horses? Guess again. My longtime trainer/agent presented horses and Ponies to a seemingly endless stream of buyers in the home barn and between classes at the AA shows. Fair share of them borderline delusional to as crazy as any CL denizen. Better they jerk trainer around, or try to, then me.

                                Mare I bought thru her had "sold" twice. One backed out last minute because of a minor PPE finding that never bothered the horse (who I still have 16 years later). She bought another from her trainer, who was set down for years, that was somewhat disappointing. The other buyer wired the money into an escrow account, jacked seller around for six weeks, set up transport but the van never showed, the transfer was rescinded and seller wasted 6 weeks with horse off the market. Sold within a week of coming into trainer/agents barn.

                                Talking about 10 times OPs price here, 16 years ago. Price is no deterrent when it comes to oddballs and game players.
                                Last edited by findeight; Apr. 4, 2016, 07:23 PM.
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                                • meh - I can't help wondering what BB The Guy From Ohio has his thread. yanno, the one where his internet pals are telling him to keep texting You "to show interest"/"wonder if horse is sound???"/"maybe seller will drive half way, meet you in the middle to try horse???"

                                  want to weed out The Crazies?
                                  let me know when someone comes up with that foolproof recipe?!
                                  believe me, doesn't matter if the horse is priced at 2,ooo-bucks or 150,ooo-bucks and all points between, they appear.
                                  learning how to deal with them tis just part of selling horses. (and buying - don't think there isn't equally idiotic sellers - it is the Horse World after all. haha)
                                  Character?
                                  it's what one does when no one's looking.

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                                  • How we "saints" handle the crazies:

                                    Don't get emotionally invested. Ever.

                                    "What's your bottom dollar" buyers rarely actually buy, which is a good thing, as they aren't my favorite type of people. I always respond with "you're welcome to come try Comet and see if he's a good fit for you, make an offer, and I'll present it to his owner".

                                    Be very pleasant - which means overly so in type (as it gets misconstrued easily) - but have your boundaries. You must have a life

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                                      GOOD NEWS: My gelding found a new home yesterday!
                                      ... and not to the crazy guy in Ohio!

                                      A woman from CT bought him, loved him, even when he threw in a few naughty moments while she tried him I think they will be perfect for each other.

                                      I held it together until I put him on her trailer, and then I cried. She gave me a big hug and said that they will love him and take good care of him, and I can visit whenever I want. I probably won't, because it will be too hard, but I'm glad she offered.

                                      This is the first time, well, ever, that I've only owned one horse. It hasn't really hit me yet, but it probably will soon! It's strange yet refreshing at the same time.
                                      "If you think nobody cares about you, try missing a couple payments..."

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                                      • Congratulations, and it's wonderful that he found such a good home.
                                        "The formula 'Two and two make five' is not without its attractions." --Dostoevsky

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                                        • What a wonderful update! It sounds like a great home for him!

                                          If you're both on Facebook, you may want to friend her on there. I've found it a great low key way for my horse's previous owner/breeder to stay up to date with her progress. I don't post very often, but it's enough that they see exciting breakthroughs or a pretty picture of her in the pasture or something.
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