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  • I would actually be less concerned if it were clueless cat ladies doing this, but that was State action. That was AC.

    "Look!" the reporter said as the horse gets a treat, "They have given him a sucrose tablet for strength so he doesn't fall down!"

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    • Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
      "Look!" the reporter said as the horse gets a treat, "They have given him a sucrose tablet for strength so he doesn't fall down!"
      Yes, that was about 3 seconds before he was jigging. I guess it worked.

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      • Originally posted by Fairview Horse Center View Post
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        This is a form of human slavery. They definitely control us.
        I stand corrected.

        I first learned to "speak Southern" in South Texas and that's not really The South as most folks understand it. East Texas, however, is and that's the usage that I remember from Houston.
        I expect you're right. I was just reading Cormac McCarthy, and apparently Texans use the form "your-all" for the plural possessive. New one on me, but it makes sense.

        I would actually be less concerned if it were clueless cat ladies doing this, but that was State action. That was AC.
        I haven't had time yet to watch the video, but AC has from time to time been a thorn in my side for crazy reasons, so I'll believe you. I had an AC officer get after me years ago over my GSD, who expressed a vociferous dislike of my neighbor. Later turned out the old perv was peekin' in my windows at night! But we didn't know it at the time. Anyway, Axl won the day finally by snatching the old fellow's flashlight as he leaned over my fence and depositing it at my back door.
        I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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        • My whole entire point was that people who were from out of state and had no idea what was going on here might want to mind their own business.
          Why? As far as I’m concerned, this is a public bulletin board and a public legislative issue being discussed. Legislature in the individual states is actually quite important for ALL Americans to discuss, since what happens in one place often sets precedent for what happens in another. I’d certainly rather see people discussing what our politicians are discussing rather than ignoring politics entirely and accepting the status quo.

          Here's a thought: Be careful what you say - and how you say it.
          You may wish to take the same advice, since um, what was it you said:

          So, now if I am anti animal starvation and neglect I must be some vapid animal rights activist? FOAD.
          Oh, right. “FOAD.” If you’re going to be telling people to watch their mouths, perhaps consider not using acronyms for something that is, at the very least, in poor taste?
          ---
          They're small hearts.

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          • Trixie - I have explained my position multiple times. You are welcome to take my comments out of context all you want. It doesn't change what I said or why I said it. Explaining it again is unlikely to help you understand it any better at this point.

            What I do not understand is why many of the people on this thread think bullying me will work. Or when I defend myself and refuse to back down, how more bullying is going to work even better. See how you feel when people start getting personal - very personal - about you.

            Your opinion isn't worth any more than mine is.

            SCFarm
            The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

            www.southern-cross-farm.com

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            • I'm sorry you feel bullied, but telling people to "FOAD" is never appropriate. I see you put the name of your business in your post, which is admirable, as that kind of attitude really doesn't reflect well on it, regardless of what people throw your way.

              I maintain that I'd rather see people have a healthy (mind you, NOT a pile on) discussion about precedent here. It's ignorant to think that just because someone is from another state they shouldn't be concerned in the politics of our state: because similar bills can very easily be passed there. As much as one might want to think of Virginia as insular, legislation affects everyone.

              Believe me, I work in Washington. The amount of hoopla surrounding any legislation passed anywhere has people protesting in our streets here all the time.

              Your opinion isn't worth any more than mine is.
              I'm not exactly sure of your point with this.
              ---
              They're small hearts.

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              • I don't know what FOAD means. but I take it it's not a compliment?

                My participation was intended to be nothing more than giving some background on this Bill - which has been dead for days and is starting to smell. No point in rehashing it.

                It was also intended to be nonpartisan. Whether one thinks a particular animal welfare Bill is a good or bad piece of legislation does not have to fall along party lines.

                I suspect the real intent here is to just argue for the sake of arguing, or to accuse people of bullying. That's pointless. In the case of the bullying accusation; it's also inaccurate.

                Presenting information on the history and issues of this Bill isn't bullying at all. It's simply presenting information. Don't read so much into it.

                I hope that the persons who expressed interest in learning more actually spent the weekend doing so. Like I wrote before - it can take an extraordinary amount of time to finally understand and appreciate a particular issue.

                If I was to recommend anything, it would be to not wait until the session starts to get involved. By then it's difficult to get up to speed, and one tends to rely upon action alerts. You'll never get a complete picture from action alerts; they tend to be alarmist in nature. Full of half truths, rhetoric or extremely partisan.

                The truth is always somewhere in between. But it does require a person to seek it out, and that takes time and effort.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • Originally posted by JSwan View Post
                  I don't know what FOAD means. but I take it it's not a compliment?
                  "F**k Off And Die?" A cousin to "Eat S**t And Die?"

                  Concur with your comments. Stupidity has never been a "party line" thing.

                  Or, to paraphrase Napolean: Intelligence has its limits, stupidity has none.

                  G.
                  Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão

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                  • Originally posted by Guilherme View Post
                    "F**k Off And Die?" A cousin to "Eat S**t And Die?"


                    G.
                    Oh.

                    I really do need to get out more.
                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                    • I didn't know what it meant either! I guess I don't get out enough either!

                      J swan, I think they call that shooting the messenger.



                      Here in MS it is All Y'all ! And they say things like "bless your heart" and "don't start nothin there won't be nothin". Wise words to live by!
                      No hour of life is wasted that is spent in the saddle. ~Winston Churchill

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                      • This is a direct result of the growth of government. Follow the money. What campaigns did PETA give money to? There is your answer of why this is happening. And it is going to get worse and worse.

                        "A government that is strong enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have."- Thomas Jefferson
                        "Take off the horses halter and lead rope, and all thats left is the truth." -Pat Parelli

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                        • Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                          I'm sorry you feel bullied, but telling people to "FOAD" is never appropriate. I see you put the name of your business in your post, which is admirable, as that kind of attitude really doesn't reflect well on it, regardless of what people throw your way.

                          I never told "people" to FOAD. It was clearly directed at Chief2, who IMHO was beyond inappropriate and bullying me by making ridiculous accusations. I was angry. Maybe it was inappropriate, but what about Fruitbats Often Are Despicable offends you so much? You are welcome to interpret it differently of course. It is a free country.

                          I maintain that I'd rather see people have a healthy (mind you, NOT a pile on) discussion about precedent here. It's ignorant to think that just because someone is from another state they shouldn't be concerned in the politics of our state: because similar bills can very easily be passed there. As much as one might want to think of Virginia as insular, legislation affects everyone.

                          Again, please read my posts for comprehension. Where did I ever say that no one should discuss it? Please refrain from restating my arguments incorrectly. What I did say was that it was inappropriate for people from out of state to call or write the Virginia legislators about a bill that did not directly concern them. If people are worried about such laws they should contact their own legislators, IMO and not waste the resources of some other state.

                          Precedent is precedent, nothing more. It is not law. And Virginia laws can not compel other states to DO anything. Precedent is only applicable if situations are enough alike. EL did a really good job of explaining the localities in which and the situations in which this law might prove helpful for animals with no other options. So before dismissing this bill out of hand, I thought it would be nice if the discussion included the reasons this bill even existed in the first place.

                          I still contend that the original post which called people to action was not representative of the real issues (BOTH Pro and Con). I am truly sorry you disliked my method of getting the real issues out in the open. Oh, wait....


                          Believe me, I work in Washington. The amount of hoopla surrounding any legislation passed anywhere has people protesting in our streets here all the time.

                          Gee, that's so much better than when I lived there and people were rioting in the streets over issues. Discourse is generally helpful.

                          I learned a lot on this thread. But then again, I actually read it.


                          I'm not exactly sure of your point with this.

                          Pretty much the same as yours.
                          JSwan - The FOAD was NEVER aimed at you. When I thought you overstepped, I said so directly and thought we came to a reasonable place of agreeing on much and agreeing to disagree on the rest. I do appreciate the discussion. As I said above I learned a lot on this thread and much of it was from you.

                          To me bullying is when those arguing with you go personal - which did happen to me several times in this thread. Each time I responded as I thought appropriate. No one has to like it. I didn't either.

                          SCFarm
                          The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                          www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                          • I never told "people" to FOAD. It was clearly directed at Chief2, who IMHO was beyond inappropriate and bullying me by making ridiculous accusations. I was angry. Maybe it was inappropriate, but what about Fruitbats Often Are Despicable offends you so much? You are welcome to interpret it differently of course. It is a free country.
                            Secret decoder ring, anyone?

                            As far as I can tell, Chief2 is a person. Secondly, if you're going to MAKE UP definitions, don't be surprised when people don't understand you. Your new "definition" is certainly not common knowledge or remotely googleable. Nice arguement for your bad behavior, though.
                            ---
                            They're small hearts.

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                            • When a state changes, or considers changes to a law, it quite frequently has ramifications that affect laws in other states. Think of legalizing gay marriage, for example. Voter ID's, states have their own rules regarding what is or isn't acceptable identification but there is a huge push for a nationalized identification system.

                              How late and what days liquor can be sold, how old you have to be to drive, all vary from state to state and sometimes county/district by district. Gun control laws, there are a myriad of important issues that are regulated state by state that have impact on other jurisdictions.

                              To object to someone from another part of the country expressing their concerns over legislation in another state is rather self centered and ridiculous.

                              I would expect my representatives, simply by having been voted in to office by people in the area where I live, (whether or not my opinion is in the majority there), to act in the interest of those who elected them. To basically tell others that they are not to express their rights to free speech under the constitution by speaking their minds is quite silly and very much a selfish and self centered way to behave.
                              "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                              • Originally posted by Trixie View Post
                                Secret decoder ring, anyone?

                                As far as I can tell, Chief2 is a person. Secondly, if you're going to MAKE UP definitions, don't be surprised when people don't understand you. Your new "definition" is certainly not common knowledge or remotely googleable. Nice arguement for your bad behavior, though.
                                Oh for crying out loud, it was a joke. I was laughing the first time I wrote it too, as I was trying not to be pissed off. Surely you have been around COTH long enough to know about Where's The Fruitbat (WTF)? Helga and Inge? It was a spin off of an old COTH BB longstanding joke. Personally, I thought it was rather creative myself. But I will admit to a double entendre. Where I come from, wit can often be risque and still socially acceptable.

                                So, just for the background and in case anyone missed it - Here:
                                http://www.chronicleforums.com/Forum...ight=WTF+Helga

                                SCFarm
                                The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                                www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                                • It was a spin off of an old COTH BB longstanding joke.
                                  FOAD is a long way from an old COTH BB longstanding joke.
                                  "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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                                  • Okay - people - will everyone please take a step back and BREATHE for a minute....

                                    While I may or may not agree with MANY MANY things posted here, I will say that knowing LLDM personally, she does not use the "F" word on a regular basis or throw out phrases like "FOAD" meaning "F off and die". Just not her language.

                                    And I say this while disagreeing with many of her points - but that is not the point of my post.

                                    Its too easy to misinterpret the written word as inflection is often missing.

                                    Calling people names is petty and immature. Regardless of who is doing the calling and whether the person initiated the name calling or is simply responding to it.

                                    Oldenmare - who is going out to play with her horses on this lovely winter day.... (of course, a day at -30, ice and wind would be preferable to the nature this thread has taken).
                                    Originally posted by SmartAlex

                                    Give it up. Many of us CoTHers are trapped at a computer all day with no way out, and we hunt in packs. So far it as all been in good fun. You should be thankful for that.

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                                    • Ah yes, I forgot how stunningly effective it is to affect the laws in one's own state by lobbying the legislators of some other state. Silly me. Because we all know that all the laws in all the states are exactly alike and that all legislators are like lemmings and all states have the exact same issues and people and problems, and and...

                                      Yep, that's me - selfish beeyotch. Wanting my own opinions. Caring about neglected animals in poor counties with no dedicated ACOs. Hoping to find solutions that don't cost the Virginia tax payers more money during economic downturns. Thinking that a public - private partnership might work. And daring to question the call to arms over a Virginia state bill *might* have more to it than "volunteers can come on your private property" aspect to it. Yep, that's me, the antichrist.

                                      SCFarm
                                      The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                                      www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                                      • Originally posted by Everythingbutwings View Post
                                        FOAD is a long way from an old COTH BB longstanding joke.
                                        s.p.i.n.o.f.f.

                                        SCFarm
                                        The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

                                        www.southern-cross-farm.com

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                                          "If you would have only one day to live, you should spend at least half of it in the saddle."

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