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  • thoughts on buying a youngster - a few questions

    I am seriously considering buying a young horse with the thought of working with my trainer to start and bring up the levels in dressage.

    The horse I am interested in is wonderful, but far away, and he is at a much nicer facility for a youngster to grow up than I have access to here in SoCal. I would like to arrange a purchase where he stays with the breeder, running in his herd of buddies through the winter then ship him to me this spring/summer to begin the training process. (the breeder has already worked with him on leading, tying, farrier, bathing, etc. and would be willing to continue while he is there)

    Has anyone done this and would be willing to share your experience? I am planning on getting insurance, but wondering which type would be best for an unstarted, but promising youngster. Is there anything you would include in the boarding agreement beyond expectations for care, feeding, turnout you would expect in a standard full care board? What would be the best way to handle emergency (or even non-emergency) vet care?
    "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

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    If you have any expectation that the breeder will continue to teach him handling skills, then that should be defined in your contract, in detail. Can your trainer share his/her standard training board contract as a starting point, if the breeder doesn't have a contract already?
    Not sure why emergency vet care instructions would be any different because he's a youngster. Have a defined process for owner contact, and define what the BO is authorized to do (and to what dollar amount), up to and including euthanasia if you can't be reached.
    I can't really answer the insurance question other than to say that an insurance company is not going to pay out more than what the horse is actually worth, not potentially worth once it's trained.

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    • #3
      WRT the "nicer" facility, most horses don't appreciate the flowers, landscaping, polished brass or tounge-in-groove wood. I think your horse will be just as content with a simpler facility where his basic needs are met and he has a person who cares about him and will work with him on a regular basis.

      Go for it, I've never had a made horse, and am the much better horseperson for it.

      The insurance company will base his value on his purchase price and the performance record of his sire/dam etc.
      "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in a confederatcy against him."

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      • #4
        I post this because with a young horse in your eyes you may see one thing but may end up with something totally different

        I was looking for an aged English Pleasure horse for our kids when we found and kept coming back to this long yearling... which I bought... then left her there in training. Upon returning to review her progress I was kind of concerned as she was being trained as a western horse? ... she just didn't have the correct presence to be an English horse so here we were with a western horse (and we went back to Kentucky specially to find an English Pleasure horse as Western horses are everywhere here in Fort Worth).... Working with our trainer we set a goal that once she was done we would take her home problem became when she just kept getting better and better. After two years she was one of the top western pleasure horses of the breed... we finally brought her home much to the trainer's wife's dismay who said all we were going to do was ruin her

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        • #5
          What's the age of the youngster? I've found that usually when I've gotten young horses they have not been handled as much as what I expected or what was implied by the breeder. There have been major holes in the training/handling for what I considered normal for their age.

          Breeders are very busy and can't always put in consistent training/handling especially if they have a bunch of babies. I worked on a breeding farm and even the 1,2 and 3 yr. olds were relatively feral when they were sold. I say feral compared to young ones who were handled frequently.


          Can you look around your area for a farm w/ acreage and other babies even if it's not your normal boarding barn?
          Once I buy them and pay for them, I like to have them close-by and oversee their care and handling.
          "There is no fundamental difference between man and animals in their ability to feel pleasure and pain, happiness, and misery." - Charles Darwin

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
            WRT the "nicer" facility, most horses don't appreciate the flowers, landscaping, polished brass or tounge-in-groove wood. I think your horse will be just as content with a simpler facility where his basic needs are met and he has a person who cares about him and will work with him on a regular basis.

            Go for it, I've never had a made horse, and am the much better horseperson for it.

            The insurance company will base his value on his purchase price and the performance record of his sire/dam etc.
            I'm guessing that by nicer see means that it is more conducive to a young horse's needs...lots of turnout in age-appropriate groups, grazing, socialization. You just wouldn't get that at a barn in SoCal.

            I've not structured a deal like that because when I bought my filly I wanted to bring her right home (at my place, not a boarding barn). I do know that there's someone on here who did that in another state, as you are suggesting, and it worked out very well.

            Good luck with your (potential ) young horse, it is a lot of fun to start them the way you want!
            "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

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            • #7
              I have the deal you are describing with my filly's breeder. She is 9mos old.

              I bought her when she was 6 weeks old. I paid her inspection costs and the breeder did not charge me for preparing her for inspection. She was inspected and got a nice gold premium.

              After weaning I pay fixed board which includes basic handling, grooming, etc and basic young horse skills.

              At one year, I can make a deal with their in house trainer to start the process of actually training, breaking to bridle and saddle, etc. They have a few working students who do the work under supervision of the trainer, which makes it affordable for me.

              I plan to bring her home when she is 90 days under saddle late in her 3yo year. I can't keep and train a horse here for what I am paying - the difference in board alone covers the training.

              And she gets to grow up with buddies her age on 4000 acres in the Midwest. I believe the biggest secret to avoiding OCD and other common young horse things is to let them grow up and move around and not live in a stall their whole lives.

              If you want more detail about my experience please feel free to PM me.
              Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
              you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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              • #8
                I bought a young horse about an hour and a half away from my farm. She had a small OCD in one hock and needed surgery. I paid for her, the surgery and about 3 months board. She had stall rest, then was turned out in a very small paddock, hand walking, etc. I could have brought her home, but it was easier to have them do all the post-op stuff, and I don't have a very small turnout paddock. I also arranged for her trainer to start her back to work. It was simply smoother and easier doing it that way. She had about 6 months under saddle when I bought her (3, almost 4 years old).

                I signed a standard full board contract. I had her insured before she went under anesthesia, basically for what I paid for her. She stayed under the care of the same vet. It really wasn't complicated and everything worked out fine.

                As for getting a young horse - there have been challenges, but I can honestly say that I am a much better rider for having done it, and I wouldn't be able to afford her now. I've had her for almost 3 years now. And thank goodness for my fabulous trainer.

                I think it's a really smart thing for you to do.

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                  #9
                  Thank you all for your input. The horse is coming three, and at a smaller breeder.

                  I have seen numerous videos of him being handled, so I believe the seller is fairly representing his training so far.

                  WRT the nicer facility - Pocket Pony is right - it is a facility with large grassy pastures where he can run and play with a handful of other youngsters. These aren't easy to find here in SCal

                  Clanter - I know what you mean, about him ending up differently than I hope, but all the under saddle training will be done with my trainer, so no worries about him becoming a western horse!
                  "So relax! Let's have some fun out here! This game's fun, OK? Fun goddamnit." Crash Davis; Bull Durham

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                  • #10
                    I bought a filly in Germany almost 2 years ago and left her there to grow up where she'd be out in a herd and in what I consider a much better environment for a young horse than she would be here living with all of my grown-up horses.

                    I didn't do anything special, though now that I'm getting ready to bring her home I have her insured. If I didn't have so many horses I probably would have insured her from the beginning, but given the exorbitant cost to insure multiple horses I don't insure any of mine generally.

                    I also didn't sign any contracts beyond the sales contract. She's been handled as much as the other babies - which is not much at all!

                    I also bought a 3yo (coming 4) gelding who has remained in work with the family that broke him. Same story in that I want him to remain in their program until I bring him home this spring. I pay board + training which to me is a steal of a deal for a variety of reasons.

                    I think it's a totally reasonable plan, and I agree that if the horse is in a great environment there's no reason to move it until it's at the point that you WANT to take over the reins (pun intended - ha ha!).
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by MissAriel View Post

                      Clanter - I know what you mean, about him ending up differently than I hope, but all the under saddle training will be done with my trainer, so no worries about him becoming a western horse!
                      Where Foxie was when we found her the farm had 300 head ....all were either English Pleasure or Carriage horse... except for Foxie ... we left her there in training for over two years as she never peaked .... she continued after we brought her home and diversified into other disciplines the closest she came to English Pleasure was Working Hunter, Hunter on the flat and Hunter over fences.

                      The people who knew her always joke in a kind way about our English Pleasure horse

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