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OMG - Banning Carrages in NYC!!!

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  • #61
    Originally posted by Woodland View Post
    Certainly not the ones I have seen, or the ones pictured in the news clip.

    Can you support this statement with pictures at least?
    I've witnessed it and if I had pics, I would share them.
    It's funny when I tried to take a pic of one of the skinny horses, I was cursed out by the carriage driver!

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Pat View Post
      I'm *not* going to bash heads on this one, and I'm directing my response to the comment, not the commentator. (just to be clear, Thomas)

      I didn't read the link yet, so I'm just coming from a place of general experience on the subject.

      Thomas, I'll warrant that not every person who drives a carriage on a city street is not a bad person... Moreover, I'm sure that not every body who works for the NYC carriage people is a bad person... But I've worked in that part of the City. It is NOT a place for horses. They are stabled inches from the West Side Highway. Thier "barn" is just dreadful, and I wouldn't stash a rank and dangerous animal there, much less a hard working one the earns his keep everyday!

      I also 100% believe that NYC in general is NO PLACE for a working animal. It is noisy, dirty and just not a place for a horse. 100 years ago, sure. Maybe even 50 years ago. No longer. I didn't shed a tear when Chelsea Eq and later Claremont were closed. And Chelsea wasn't too bad, relative to other 'barns'. I'm glad it's gotten some use as the stables for the Mounted Police horses. I understand why the NYPD continues to utilize them, but I don't think it's good for the animals. But atleast they have moved into a better building than the old on 42nd street.

      I've also been witness to the corruption of the people directly overseeing the horses living in NYC. I've been literally chased by a man seeking a bribe. My barn wasn't doing anything wrong, nothing to bribe you over, asshat! I'm absolutely certain that he gets plenty of reasons to over look many things that involve the carriages.

      All romanticsm aside, it's about TIME.
      FYI from a very, reliable source...NYPD still keeps horses on 42nd st.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by equinelaw View Post
        Someone linked to an entire film and lots of pictures. You said it was propaganda and lies.
        Don't forget, I'm a PETA person too (insert gag icon here). I have seen some questionably sound horses in central park. I have also seen some very nicely turned out and cared for horses. I still don't think that NYC is the place for horses.
        \"If the rider\'s heart is in the right place, his seat will be independent of his hands.\" ~Piero Santini

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        • #64
          Originally posted by UFTemptation View Post
          I have seen some questionably sound horses in central park. I have also seen some very nicely turned out and cared for horses. I still don't think that NYC is the place for horses.
          That is the thing-that is the same everywhere. There are enough starving horses in people's backyards and even some high end trainers. Then there are heavily overweight horses. Stop the individual, not the whole .
          pedestrians get run over by cars too-city life. I would be curious to know the stats for collisions . If there is real danger, due to traffic conditions, that is a totally different issue. You are not allowed to walk or ride or use bicycles on the interstate-that is toally different issue due to safety and not abuse allegations.

          Some people claim eventing, rodeo, racing is abuse and want to stop that too. Stop the abuses in each sport, not the entire sport..

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Raquel View Post
            I have to agree. I've seen many skinny, unkempt horses pulling carriages through the crazy streets of Manhattan.
            I think a ban would be a good thing.
            Well, Raquel, maybe since you couldn't quite manage to get pics, you could answer the same questions that Spaghetti Legs hasn't yet responded to:

            "When you say underweight- what was their body score? Ill kept how? Lack of grooming or something else? How, to you, does a horse look miserable? For example- the uninformed might take a horse with its head down and a foot cocked, taking a snooze, as 'looking' miserable. To me, it would look like it was taking a nap. Misery might be more evident in body language when the horse is at work- look in the eyes, position of ears, tail carriage, among other indicators- so do share with us what you saw."

            In periodic visits to NYC dating back to 1972, can't say I've ever seen one carriage horse that looked skinny or unkempt, so I await your enlightenment.

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            • #66
              The naysayers keep avoiding the real issue here.

              If the issue truly is just about banning carriages in NYC, the proponents are short-sighted fools who know not what havoc they'll ultimately be wreaking.

              There are countless questions associated with such a ban, and they're questions that should be answered.

              Are we deciding that the conditions are too hot? If so, how and when will we address the matter of horses working in too-hot conditions at shows and races, in Amish country, and the like?

              Are we deciding that the job is too strenuous? If so, how and when will we address the matter of working horses everywhere, many of whom concentrate their efforts in a much more focused manner, lathering themselves for the entertainment and enjoyment of people?

              Are we deciding that the conditions are too dangerous? If so, how and when will we address the Amish horses who are killed on the roads, or the sporting horses who suffer sometimes-catastrophic injuries in the process of simply doing their jobs?

              Are we deciding that the horses are poorly-cared for, living in unsuitable conditions? If so, how and when will we address the varied (and noisy) opinions about work vs. pasture life, stalls vs. living outdoors, barefoot vs. shod, bitless vs. bitted, and the whole range of other anecdotal solutions pertaining to horsekeeping? And how will we measure the contentedness of not only carriage animals, but all working and pleasure animals?

              Simply banning carriages in NYC does nothing to address the real problem and does everything to push further problems and scrutiny on the rest of the horse world - much of which, like city carriage companies themselves, have no reason to be assaulted. Let's get down to the real problems.

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