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    HO doesn't know their barn doesn't board anymore...WWYD?

    A friend of a friend just started leasing a property.

    this property was previously a boarding facility (pretty basic with only outside board, but had lots of horses and is a great location). The BM did not live on the property, just leased it. He went bankrupt earlier this year (Feb I think). there was someone leasing the horse that sometimes called herself the farm manager, but she was evicted, and left in September.

    The property owner is an old gentlemen (93) who just wants the property leased to it is taken care of. He had been leaving notes to let the horse owners know to leave, but the notes kept disappearing.

    Friend of friend started to lease it Nov 1. WHen they went to view the property, they found FIVE horses there (and tack). All looked good, as they have a lot of pasture, and a trickle feed water trough. Fortunately one of the horse owners showed up during the walk through. He had NO idea there was no longer board offered and had been paying through echeque to the business/farm email, and had actually arranged through email to bring another horse.

    They put notes in all the lockers, and have managed to get four of the horses removed, but there is still one there (and tack). Horse looks nice, and cared for.

    RCMP were out to look through the locker to see if they could find info to lead to the HO, but nothing. Brand inspector was also out, but hasn't gotten back to them about the next step.

    So likely the HO just doesn't ride in the off season or is away. She likely is paying board, and thinks all is ok. nobody is sure who is getting the echeques. Likely the old boarding barn manager, but may also be the person who was living there.

    I imagine a criminal fraud charges will be processed, but that will take a while.

    So what do you do? Person leasing property has horses, so is able/willing to make sure the left over horse is ok.

    they don't want to post pictures of the horse in case people who aren't her owner try to claim her. It is kind of a weird situation. Any ideas on how to find the owner?
    Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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    Is there a local vet who may have cared for the horse and knows who the owner is?

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      None of the other 4 remaining boarders knew who owns the horse?
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        Originally posted by HPFarmette View Post
        Is there a local vet who may have cared for the horse and knows who the owner is?
        The barn did often use the same vet as we do, only the vet that used to go out there moved to BC this summer. The vet clinic office wouldn't have enough to go on to narrow it down as they don't even know the horse's name.
        Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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          #5
          Originally posted by furlong47 View Post
          None of the other 4 remaining boarders knew who owns the horse?
          Nope. None of them knew each other at all. The facility used to have a LOT of horses, and just these few were left. Just seems weird that anybody stayed, so not sure what they were told, or if these boarders were the ones that were more "loners" so didn't know what all was going on.
          Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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            Well, whoever was getting the money knows. So once the authorities start action against that person for fraud the HO will find out, but that could take ages. I can't imagine that the HO is going to find out any way but the hard way.
            Is the horse shod? Possibly a farrier may be coming around?
            Is there anything at all in the tack locker that gives a horse name or person name? An old medication bottle or script? A name engraved or sharpied on a piece of tack or on the inside of a blanket? I have med bottles for Snort with my vet name and Snort's name where a reverse lookup could find me, I have names inside blankets, can anybody else think of anything else?
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              Originally posted by CHT View Post
              The barn did often use the same vet as we do, only the vet that used to go out there moved to BC this summer. The vet clinic office wouldn't have enough to go on to narrow it down as they don't even know the horse's name.
              Has anyone tried contacting the vet in BC? They may remember enough about the property/horses there to give some sort of info (horse's name, owner name, etc) to help the office narrow down the search.

              Also, you might try contacting the vet clinic anyway. If they have electronic files, they can start by searching on the address. That should narrow down the records considerably.
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                I did forward the idea of contacting the vet clinic as we hadn't thought of that. I only know that the previous "trainer" used the same vet as I do, but not sure about the clients, I just assume so.

                Horse is barefoot, and we have no idea who the current farrier is/was. The barn had a lot of turn over in farriers as they had a history of not actually paying their bills.

                RCMP went through the locker and found nothing of help, but I guess it is nice tack, so unlikely that the horse/tack is abandoned.
                Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                  I guess you could post notices in local papers/ feed stores/ horse FB groups etc. saying something like "We are trying to reach boarders of x farm from time period on an urgent matter." Even if you don't get the owner, you might get someone with some idea. I'm assuming you asked the former farm/ barn manager people and they just refused to respond?

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                    They are leaving that to the RCMP, as both sets of people are shady. I doubt they will openly admit to committing this fraud.

                    The idea of posting notices makes sense. Facebook and Kijiji maybe? That is a good idea. I imagine the RCMP will want to contact anyone who was paying into this boarding scam and will want to contact as many as possible anyway.

                    Its just a weird situation. I worry a bit that the horse will end up at auction/slaughter.
                    Freeing worms from cans everywhere!

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                      People who may have info:
                      Vet
                      Farrier
                      Laundry people

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                        Who was the last person in charge at that barn? Isn't there anyone who is looking after the remaining horses (feed, muck, clean, repair) who would know?

                        If the horse's hooves are in decent shape, it means the farrier goes every months or so. I'd be calling all the farrier that came to that barn or wait until a farrier shows up.
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                        Originally posted by LauraKY
                        I'm sorry, but this has "eau de hoarder" smell all over it.

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                          Contact a lawyer. In the US you could file a civil fraud claim and likely get the info through subpoena of the former BM and farm manager. I'd like to have them in front of a judge explaining why they haven't told you who owns the horse it is. That would be fun. And if the RCMP are involved, if they didn't want to show for the subpoena, that would give them an excuse to arrest them for contempt of court. That might shake them up enough to get information one way or the other.

                          But I don't know what the rules are in Canada and whether something like that would be a workable option. This is not legal advice, I have no knowledge of Canadian law whatsoever. Just some brainstorming of possible strategies. You will need legal counsel and to work with the RCMP to determine whether it's feasible.

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                            Originally posted by CHT View Post
                            I did forward the idea of contacting the vet clinic as we hadn't thought of that. I only know that the previous "trainer" used the same vet as I do, but not sure about the clients, I just assume so.....
                            What about contacting the previous trainer that was at the barn? I'd start posting pics of the horse and asking if anyone knows the horse. Look thru the tack locker to see if there is something like a name plate on a saddle or papers etc that have the horse's owner's name on it?

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                              Originally posted by CHT View Post
                              RCMP went through the locker and found nothing of help, but I guess it is nice tack, so unlikely that the horse/tack is abandoned.
                              Nice enough that you might be able to go to the manufacturer with the serial number and find out who it was sold to?

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                                That's WEIRD! Good thing it's been a mild season so far.
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                                  Well cared for horse and tack and the owner never shows up? That is indeed a weird scenario. When I boarded I had my contact info on my horses' stalls and in my tack box.

                                  Does anyone live on site now?
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                                    Originally posted by ReSomething View Post
                                    Well, whoever was getting the money knows. So once the authorities start action against that person for fraud the HO will find out, but that could take ages. I can't imagine that the HO is going to find out any way but the hard way.
                                    Is the horse shod? Possibly a farrier may be coming around?
                                    Is there anything at all in the tack locker that gives a horse name or person name? An old medication bottle or script? A name engraved or sharpied on a piece of tack or on the inside of a blanket? I have med bottles for Snort with my vet name and Snort's name where a reverse lookup could find me, I have names inside blankets, can anybody else think of anything else?

                                    Who is going to press charges for fraud, if not the unidentified horseowner?
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                                      Originally posted by CHT View Post
                                      The barn did often use the same vet as we do, only the vet that used to go out there moved to BC this summer. The vet clinic office wouldn't have enough to go on to narrow it down as they don't even know the horse's name.
                                      Ah, I disagree. My clinic probably has hundreds of horses that it sees, but if you asked them "hey, did you see any horses at XYZ property last year?" I bet most of the staff could tell you yes or no off the top of their head. Then they could start comparing notes to try to remember individual horses, go through billing records, etc.

                                      I'd call all the equine clinics within an hour's drive (then widen) and tell them the situation. I think you might be surprised how many individual horses they would remember.

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                                        Is the old vet still practicing? Can you reach him in BC?

                                        I wouldn't hesitate to post photos of the horse online. Then if/when someone comes forward claiming it, ask them to describe the tack items also left behind.

                                        If the horse has been doing fine in the field with limited care, and friend if willing to keep looking after it for a bit, can the police help her get some sort of power of attorney type paperwork saying friend can make veterinary decisions for the horse without being held liable?

                                        Otherwise she might want to relinquish it to animal control but offer to be a foster home until the owner can be located.

                                        What a weird situation.
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