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  • #41
    Arabs are flighty and stupid or stupid to the people they are smarter than
    QH Are prone to navicular
    Warmbloods are dumb aka dumb bloods
    TB's hot and stupid, always left handed
    Herding dogs are also not a family pet and need a job
    Labs are stupid and never mature
    Pits/Amstaff's will always kill and should be removed from existence
    Doberman Pinchers are mean and only useful as guard dogs
    Rotties are violent
    German Shepherds are really just a guard dog with hearing tendencies
    Beagles have never been aggressive in the history of the breed.

    Mixed breeds are kind and loving and would never bite or be aggressive...

    Do you see the problem? Breed generalities are damning regardless of breed
    The list of popular or un popular generalizations is endless. And extend to the human races as well.
    Last edited by Blinkers On; Jan. 29, 2009, 12:58 PM. Reason: Oops I think I was picking on the poodle. Sorry

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Blinkers On View Post
      Poodles are kind and loving
      I have never heard this one.

      Standard Poodles are smart and conniving (in the way a dog is smarter than the owner). Fake (tiny) poodles are stupid and snappy.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Blinkers On View Post
        Arabs are flighty and stupid
        No, no, no! Arabs are flighty and too damned smart!!!

        However, I have met a few that were apparently dropped on their heads as foals....
        Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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        • #44
          Originally posted by 00Jumper View Post
          Pittbulls can be wonderful dogs, sure, and I've met a few that I've absolutely loved, but their nature - what they've been bred for - is not something so easily eradicated. You can only push them so far before they snap, and for some dogs that fuse is longer, for some it's shorter. I don't think the breed should be eradicated, but I think breeding practices should be VERY carefully monitored. We no longer need these dogs for fighting or for sport, we want them for pets. Let's breed pets; the only risk is losing some of the breed distinction, but what cost gaining a more trustworthy breed?
          You can only push a pit bull so far before it snaps????? Yeah alrighty then. Tell me the source of that gem. Explain how 47 of the 51 (4 died or were euthanized) Michael Vick bred and trained fighting dogs magically never "snapped." They are living with humans and other animals who love them, doing service work, being played with by children.

          If any dog were going to snap and kill somebody, it would have been one of these fighting machines. But funny that of the 51 dogs, only a ONE was regarded as too vicious to be homed and was put to sleep.

          These 47 dogs lived in hideous conditions in tiny cages or tied to car axels in the woods with no food and no shelter. They watched their mates who "didn't cut it" be electrocuted, hanged up to died, or drowned. They were beaten and starved, kept in isolation, and pitted against other dogs to either kill or be killed. Even after being seized by authorities, they were kept isolated in kennels for months. They were forced to urinate and defecate right where they sleep. Food was shoved through the bars. The floors of the kennels were washed with high pressure hoses with the dogs still in them. They were treated like criminals for months until they were removed from the holding facility and put in the custody of people who actually understand and love dogs, and gave them the love and respect that any living animal deserves.

          Yes they have deep mental and physical scars that may never heal, but as of yet not ONE of these dogs has "snapped" on their rescuers. Explain that!

          So tell me - if the above said treatments don't cause a pit bull to just "snap" then what will?

          Dogs don't just "snap", as in - go out of their mind - a lightswitch flips and they change from loving and loyal to vicious killer. Dogs live in a world of action and reaction. When a dog is unsocialized, untrained, and operating under the influence of strong hormones, they are liable to do things that dogs shouldn't. Bite the little boy who is taunting them with a hot dog. (They're attempting to establish dominance over a "subordinate pack member.") Attack the poodles walking down the street with their owner (they're defending their territory.)

          Uneducated, unsocialized dogs do things out of instinct because it's all they know. They don't just "snap" and turn into a killer.

          Most dog attacks (bites and kills) are by intact male dogs lacking proper socialization and training. These dogs don't just "snap" one day. They simply don't possess the appropriate skills to interact with their environment like a well trained and socialized dog would.
          Last edited by Auventera Two; Jan. 29, 2009, 12:09 PM.

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          • #45
            Jeezus A2, it's not the pitties that scare me, it's you! Give it a rest already!
            Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.

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            • #46
              Before this gets closed...

              I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy. In fact, he is sometimes smarter than me...like a little clown. But I digress...

              I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive if this has already been posted.

              There was a pit bull attack in my area last week, pretty well publicized in both local newspapers.

              Male and female pit, fairly young, brother and sister, both neutered, jumped a fence into a yard in the neighborhood, not right next door, but on the same road. A lab and bichon were inside the fenced in yard, with a doggie door leading into a room in the house. Their owners were at work.

              Pits chased the lab thru the doggie door into the room and killed it. Neighbor saw the action and scooped up the bichon who was still in the yard.

              As written up in the paper, the room was a pretty gruesome scene. The owner of the pits is a 22 year old girl. She stated in the paper that her 2 year old niece lives with her and she has no fear of the dogs being alone with her. It has been told to me by various people that her father is a dog trainer.

              She also stated in the paper that she was sorry for what had happened, but considered these dogs her babies and couldn't bear to put them down.

              And no, I don't know how tall the fence was. And yes, many people have told me that any breed of dogs will show "pack mentality" when running loose together.

              It was also reported in the paper that various people (neighbors, mail delivery persons) had reported these two dogs running loose before and were afraid of them. Dogs were impounded, released to their owner upon paying a fine, and then reimpounded until a future trial.

              My own personal opinion (and this is why I am grateful to live in America where I can have an opinion) is that there are hundreds of breeds of dogs available, so why bother to get one that has shown a pattern of aggression.
              "I swear it happened just like this" - Leonard Cohen

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              • #47
                Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post

                I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy. In fact, he is sometimes smarter than me...like a little clown. But I digress...
                Can't be.
                They have to be just like the stereotype says they are.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by arabhorse2 View Post
                  Jeezus A2, it's not the pitties that scare me, it's you! Give it a rest already!
                  I had to surpress a bit of laughter at this.

                  I can understand how A2 and others like us (me incluced) can be far scarey than our breed of choice, but if you were backed agasint a wall and had to fight for what you knew to be right, wouldn't you be a bit scarey too?
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                  • #49
                    Great vid on one of Vick's fighting dog http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=qS8irL38JVc (playing with other dogs, just being happy etc)

                    Did anyone look at the links of related stories at the bottom of that article! Yikes!!
                    Related articles:

                    * Horse shot in eye at point-blank range to be put down
                    * Eleven horses stabbed at a racetrack in the Philippines
                    * Pony's leg cut off in travellers' feud
                    * Horse put down after being attacked by 'pit bull' dog
                    * Racehorse makes history as first to sell over internet
                    * Lucky escape for Four Shires rider after fall from bridge
                    * Horses cut in what could be witchcraft say locals
                    * Increase in horse attacks leads to calls for database
                    * Retired team-chaser mare attacked with blunt instrument
                    * Pony is knifed over 40 times in North Tyneside
                    I wonder if that dog had any bruising on him. Foals can play rough. Still stupid people letting a dog.. and a strange one at that sleep in the stall with foal. Poor foal, poor dog.

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                    • #50
                      Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post
                      Before this gets closed...

                      I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy. In fact, he is sometimes smarter than me...like a little clown. But I digress...

                      I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive if this has already been posted.

                      There was a pit bull attack in my area last week, pretty well publicized in both local newspapers.

                      Male and female pit, fairly young, brother and sister, both neutered, jumped a fence into a yard in the neighborhood, not right next door, but on the same road. A lab and bichon were inside the fenced in yard, with a doggie door leading into a room in the house. Their owners were at work.

                      Pits chased the lab thru the doggie door into the room and killed it. Neighbor saw the action and scooped up the bichon who was still in the yard.

                      As written up in the paper, the room was a pretty gruesome scene. The owner of the pits is a 22 year old girl. She stated in the paper that her 2 year old niece lives with her and she has no fear of the dogs being alone with her. It has been told to me by various people that her father is a dog trainer.

                      She also stated in the paper that she was sorry for what had happened, but considered these dogs her babies and couldn't bear to put them down.

                      And no, I don't know how tall the fence was. And yes, many people have told me that any breed of dogs will show "pack mentality" when running loose together.

                      It was also reported in the paper that various people (neighbors, mail delivery persons) had reported these two dogs running loose before and were afraid of them. Dogs were impounded, released to their owner upon paying a fine, and then reimpounded until a future trial.

                      My own personal opinion (and this is why I am grateful to live in America where I can have an opinion) is that there are hundreds of breeds of dogs available, so why bother to get one that has shown a pattern of aggression.
                      The Presa Canarios that killed Diane Whipple in her apartment building's elevator were also claimed to be loved family dogs, and the owners claimed they had no idea why these poor innocent creatures would have done this. The husband and wife adored their dogs, slept with them, shared their apartment with them, and so forth. According to the owners the dogs were the sweetest little fluff bunnies in the whole world.

                      Further investigation revealed an extremely sketchy history with the dogs, including chaining up in a junkyard, and killing chickens on a farm. Many in the building or on the street were afraid of the dogs as they were clearly never under control by the owner. And one of the dogs had already bitten the vicitim in a previous incident.

                      There is always more to the story that what is reported in the media. I suspect there was a lot more to these dogs histories than they just freaked out one day and decided to kill the neighbor's dog. It only happened a week ago, give it time and see what else comes out in the wash.

                      And as good as my boy is, I would never even consider leaving him outside unattended to run off down the street and kill another dog. I know my dog's history is sketchy at best, and I wouldn't set him up to fail like that. When my pooch-a-roonie is outside, I'm out there with him. I go in - he goes in. End of story

                      Yes, many Pit Bulls (and any other powerful breed) do require special consideration if you're going to own one. Just like a green newbie shouldn't attempt to stand a breeding stallion, a newbie dog owner who had a yellow lab as a kid probably shouldn't try to own a Pit Bull, particularly if that dog has unknown history, or came from known abuse and neglect. It doesn't mean that the breed is bad, but it means that some things require some common sense.

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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post
                        Before this gets closed...

                        I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy. In fact, he is sometimes smarter than me...like a little clown. But I digress...

                        I haven't read this entire thread, so please forgive if this has already been posted.

                        There was a pit bull attack in my area last week, pretty well publicized in both local newspapers.

                        Male and female pit, fairly young, brother and sister, both neutered, jumped a fence into a yard in the neighborhood, not right next door, but on the same road. A lab and bichon were inside the fenced in yard, with a doggie door leading into a room in the house. Their owners were at work.

                        Pits chased the lab thru the doggie door into the room and killed it. Neighbor saw the action and scooped up the bichon who was still in the yard.

                        As written up in the paper, the room was a pretty gruesome scene. The owner of the pits is a 22 year old girl. She stated in the paper that her 2 year old niece lives with her and she has no fear of the dogs being alone with her. It has been told to me by various people that her father is a dog trainer.

                        She also stated in the paper that she was sorry for what had happened, but considered these dogs her babies and couldn't bear to put them down.

                        And no, I don't know how tall the fence was. And yes, many people have told me that any breed of dogs will show "pack mentality" when running loose together.

                        It was also reported in the paper that various people (neighbors, mail delivery persons) had reported these two dogs running loose before and were afraid of them. Dogs were impounded, released to their owner upon paying a fine, and then reimpounded until a future trial.

                        My own personal opinion (and this is why I am grateful to live in America where I can have an opinion) is that there are hundreds of breeds of dogs available, so why bother to get one that has shown a pattern of aggression.
                        What is terrible about your story that made local news was that this young girl never made apologies for allowing her dogs to run free. This is the first red flag of an IRRESPONSIBLE owner.

                        As A2 has said previous, regardless of whether this young gals father was a trainer, she set her own dogs up for failure. She didn't provide proper security for them and she didn't make efforts to protect them from themselves.

                        I'm sad for the family of the lab, it's great they have access to outside, but they weren't protected from what could have been iether. It could have been, in the wrong place, a very different story had it been a Police officer who jumped the fence in pursuit of a Criminal. Having came face to face with that lab, feeling threatened both Dog and Officer, the Officer could have shot the dog. It's happened and that dog would have been described as vicious by the officer.

                        Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post
                        I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy.
                        GREAT, but most of all Poodles, toy or otherwise I've encountered have been both dumb AND Snappy. But that doesn't mean I want them irradicated from society. I wouldn't put your smart dog in harms way simply because it matched the same breed owned by irresponsible owners. It's simply not fair to JUDGE ALL DOGS by the actions of one and it's ignorant owner.
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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View Post
                          I had to surpress a bit of laughter at this.

                          I can understand how A2 and others like us (me incluced) can be far scarey than our breed of choice, but if you were backed agasint a wall and had to fight for what you knew to be right, wouldn't you be a bit scarey too?
                          Ok, I apologize. Not trying to be scary at all. It just gets really old trying to refute this hysteria all the time.

                          There are Pit Bulls out there that have killed humans and other animals with seemingly no provocation. But I agree with Cesar Millan who says there is ALWAYS a "good" reason (to the dog anyway!) even if the humans can't understand it.

                          Horses do stupid things and kill people all the time. What was the deal with that dressage rider who was trampled and killed by her horse? I read about it on coth. She opened the stall door and the horse rushed her, knocked her down, stepped on her chest, and took off running. So was the horse a vicious killer? Or was he panicked for some reason and doing what horses do which is bolt and run? I don't know the whole story but I know it was reported as a "freak accident." No one claimed the horse purposefully attacked the woman and killed her. But when a Pit Bull is chained up to a dog house and bites a kid while trying to defend his little piece of the pie, the dog is a vicious attacker who purposefully went after a kid.

                          Again, I apologize. It's just frustrating that people don't see that we could make the same arguments about horses who kill people.

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                          • #53
                            Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
                            You can only push a pit bull so far before it snaps????? Yeah alrighty then. Tell me the source of that gem. Explain how 47 of the 51 (4 died or were euthanized) Michael Vick bred and trained fighting dogs magically never "snapped." They are living with humans and other animals who love them, doing service work, being played with by children.

                            If any dog were going to snap and kill somebody, it would have been one of these fighting machines. But funny that of the 51 dogs, only a ONE was regarded as too vicious to be homed and was put to sleep.

                            These 47 dogs lived in hideous conditions in tiny cages or tied to car axels in the woods with no food and no shelter. They watched their mates who "didn't cut it" be electrocuted, hanged up to died, or drowned. They were beaten and starved, kept in isolation, and pitted against other dogs to either kill or be killed. Even after being seized by authorities, they were kept isolated in kennels for months. They were forced to urinate and defecate right where they sleep. Food was shoved through the bars. The floors of the kennels were washed with high pressure hoses with the dogs still in them. They were treated like criminals for months until they were removed from the holding facility and put in the custody of people who actually understand and love dogs, and gave them the love and respect that any living animal deserves.

                            Yes they have deep mental and physical scars that may never heal, but as of yet not ONE of these dogs has "snapped" on their rescuers. Explain that!

                            So tell me - if the above said treatments don't cause a pit bull to just "snap" then what will?

                            Dogs don't just "snap", as in - go out of their mind - a lightswitch flips and they change from loving and loyal to vicious killer. Dogs live in a world of action and reaction. When a dog is unsocialized, untrained, and operating under the influence of strong hormones, they are liable to do things that dogs shouldn't. Bite the little boy who is taunting them with a hot dog. (They're attempting to establish dominance over a "subordinate pack member.") Attack the poodles walking down the street with their owner (they're defending their territory.)

                            Uneducated, unsocialized dogs do things out of instinct because it's all they know. They don't just "snap" and turn into a killer.

                            Most dog attacks (bites and kills) are by intact male dogs lacking proper socialization and training. These dogs don't just "snap" one day. They simply don't possess the appropriate skills to interact with their environment like a well trained and socialized dog would.
                            I more than second this!
                            Get to know them before you judge them. Hearsay and bad owners and awful abuse have given this dog a bad rep and they are really really loving and loyal dogs. It's a shame more aren't aware of it!
                            I have the greatest job offer that I can't take because of BSL in that area. I won't choose money over my dog. I won't re home her for fear that someone would abuse her or try (though I don't know how) to fight her. Fighting is the last thing on her mind.
                            I am passionate about the breed as I've done the research and met the dogs and am impressed every single day! They do get a bad rap due to human failure.

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                            • #54
                              A2, I see your point, and I guess I worded what I wanted to say poorly. I do not think pittbulls are inherently bad dogs. What I do think is that when they do react violently - which happens with all breeds, I won't deny that, I've been attacked by a Yorkie that was positively the most awful little creature I ever had the displeasure of meeting - the potential for massive damage is more real. It's not their fault, it's not that they're more or less vicious than other breeds, but it's due to their conformation. They've been bred for those big, powerful jaws, and a tenacious nature. It's what has made them what they are. Unfortunately, it's also what gets them their bad rep - Chihuahuas would have the same rep if they were also big, powerful dogs, as would demonic Yorkies.
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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post
                                I have a toy poodle who is neither dumb nor snappy. In fact, he is sometimes smarter than me...like a little clown. But I digress...
                                I think you are missing the point of Blinkers posting. It was entirely satirical. It wasn't saying your dog or even the entire breed was dumb and snappy. But I think Trub hit it right on the nose!

                                Originally posted by trubandloki View Post
                                They have to be just like the stereotype says they are.
                                You can't judge an entire breed of dog by the actions of a few. Your smart and sweet toy pooble would be labeld and seen without education and open mindness as just that, dumb and snappy.

                                Originally posted by NEEDS A NAP View Post
                                My own personal opinion (and this is why I am grateful to live in America where I can have an opinion) is that there are hundreds of breeds of dogs available, so why bother to get one that has shown a pattern of aggression.
                                Yes, it is a wonderful place we live in, this America you speak of, where we have a God Given right to own the dog of OUR CHOICE, not yours. And where we see our RIGHTS being stripped from us because folks simply do not want to educate themselves and force those ultimately responsible to step up to the plate and take on that responsibility.
                                Last edited by VAHorseGurl; Jan. 29, 2009, 12:37 PM. Reason: spelling
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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by 00Jumper View Post
                                  ... pittbulls ...
                                  Pit Bulls, please.
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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by 00Jumper View Post
                                    A2, I see your point, and I guess I worded what I wanted to say poorly. I do not think pittbulls are inherently bad dogs. What I do think is that when they do react violently - which happens with all breeds, I won't deny that, I've been attacked by a Yorkie that was positively the most awful little creature I ever had the displeasure of meeting - the potential for massive damage is more real. It's not their fault, it's not that they're more or less vicious than other breeds, but it's due to their conformation. They've been bred for those big, powerful jaws, and a tenacious nature. It's what has made them what they are. Unfortunately, it's also what gets them their bad rep - Chihuahuas would have the same rep if they were also big, powerful dogs, as would demonic Yorkies.
                                    You are 100% right on these comments. The potential for more harm is greater when the dog is bigger and more powerful. That makes it all the more important for people to embrace good breeding practices that propogate only good natured dogs that easily trainable and show NO tendency toward aggression.

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                                    • #58
                                      Keeping this horse related -

                                      I have worked with numerous dogs, been bit a few times (all "loving" breeds), and the first thing you can do when faced with an agressive dog is look down, but DON'T run. This enables the little switch in their head that says chase and knock down. If ever attacked you should lay in the fetal position on your knees with your hands over your head and scream bloody murder. If you are going to get bit it's better to be bit than mauled by trying to escape.

                                      A lot of instances when faced with aggressive dogs is to figure out if you can challenge them. Many will run at you and stop to growl and bark, never actually bite. Those can usually be scared off by yelling at them in a mean voice, then just calmly backing away a few steps. The ones that mean business will always be made worse by trying to run away. Of course the best option is to find a nearby big object and whack them upside the head are hard as you can, fists work well if you're quick enough.

                                      On the horse end, my Rott/Dane mix will chase big animals, horses included, but if they don't run from him he cowars off tail tucked between his legs b/c they called his bluff. If you are handling a horse and a dog comes at you try and swing the horses butt towards the dog as much as you can, this gives the horse the ability to protect you and it with a swift kick. Of course this takes a horse that will not freak out. I can say I'm lucky enough never to have been attacked while riding, so I'm not sure what the correct protocol there is.
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                                      • #59
                                        Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View Post

                                        Yes, it is a wonderful place we live in, this America you speak of, where we have a God Given right to own the dog of OUR CHOICE, not yours. And where we see our RIGHTS being stripped from us because folks simply do not want to educate themselves and force those ultimately responsible to step up to the plate and take on that responsibility.
                                        Boy are you right on with these comments! When I finally managed to catch my pooch-a-roonie and got the necessary vet treatment and started working toward training and socialization and what not - I dreaded that I would have to license him. I was sort of overcome with a moment of sunken stomach when I thought - oh god I hope BSL doesn't apply in my county! I spent an hour making phone calls making SURE that my township and county don't have any prohibition statutes. Whew, I was relieved to find they don't. If they did, he'd have to be rehomed or put down.

                                        But then I got kind of miffed that such a thing is even an issue.

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                                        • #60
                                          And since we are sterotyping.

                                          Appys are stubborn.
                                          Chestnut mares are witches.
                                          Ponies are spawn of satan.

                                          Wait Indy is all three of the above.. Crap I'm screwed!
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