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Oh really? I don't believe the humans and animals stranded on an island and saved by a Pit Bull would agree with you.Originally posted by Woodland View PostI don't think the world needs any pit bulls. They should become extinct. !
The dog swam to the island every day carrying food and supplies that kept them alive until the river subsided enough they could be rescued.
http://www.pitbullsontheweb.com/petb...les/weela.htmlLast edited by Auventera Two; Jan. 29, 2009, 10:43 AM. Reason: Sorry Mod, I shouldn't have said that. Thanks for deleting.
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AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER is a UKC registerable breed. The generic "Pit Bull" is attached to anything with a blocky head and short legs. (Or....anything that attacks a human or an animal.)Originally posted by Moesha View PostI agree I know very little about the breed, and my experiences have been overwhelmingly positive..but the differences look a lot like semantics.
http://www.bulldogbreeds.com/america...llterrier.html
Animals such as American Bull Dogs, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Bull Mastiffs, etc. are referred to as "bully breeds" but funny that EVERYBODY wants to call them ALL "pit bulls."
To get back to the original topic - the horse was not attacked by an AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER. It was attacked by a Staffordshire, which is a totally different breed with different blood lines.
This is as dumb as saying "Joe Blow won the Rolex on his Throughbred" (Arabian.) Some of the original blood may be shared but they are two entirely different breeds. Just as you wouldn't refer to an Arabian as a Thoroughbred, you should not refer to a Staffie as a "Pit Bull."
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I honestly never knew that, and I'm actually researching the breed. Thanks for that bit of info, it's truly fascinating!Originally posted by arabhorse2 View PostDanes were initially bred to hunt large game, and they're sight hounds. If it runs, a Dane will chase it. Depending on the size of whatever they're chasing, they'll kill it if they catch it.
And truthfuly, I didn't even read the story. But will go back and read it now. If the dog was used to sleeping in the foals stall, then yes, the owner is as culpable as the dog is.Originally posted by arabhorse2 View PostThat picture was not for the squeamish, but I was glad to read that they expect the foal to live. From the description the horse owner gave, the dog was used to sleeping in the foal's stall, so I would think they're at least culpable for this incident. They should have known better.
**I'm reading said article, but why did the dog attack the foal he was used to sharing a stall with??
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Some people, for whatever reason, don't like certain breeds of animals.
Woodland's entitled to her opinion. Nothing any of you pit owners say is going to change her mind, so why keep arguing?
I don't like TBs. Never have, and don't expect I ever will. Doesn't mean I haven't met some individual TBs that I get along with just fine.
Like Woodland, nothing anyone says is going to change my mind about TBs. I just don't LIKE them, and if they disappeared off the face of the earth, it would matter nothing to me.
Of course, I'm not trying to prohibit TBs or have them outlawed, nor do I think the world would be better off without them. Some of their owners maybe, but not the horses themselves......
VAHorse, a lot of Danes won't kill something if they catch it, but that instinct is there. I've seen it with Lexi. Even if they don't mean to kill it, their sheer size and weight can.
Lexi uses her front paws like hands. If she smacks something small like a cat with them, she'll kill it. Then she'll toss it around awhile after it's dead. She has no concept that what she's done is "bad", because for her, it's not.
If that foal did something to make the dog think it was being attacked, or even if it felt cornered, instinct took over. There's absolutely no reason that dog should have been in the stall with the foal.Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.
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Looking at this report on fatal dog attacks the "Pit Bull Type" which includes the dogs you mentioned has the highest number of fatalities....but if broken down by the real breeds like the others would be a different number per breed ( possibly).Originally posted by Auventera Two View PostAMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER is a UKC registerable breed. The generic "Pit Bull" is attached to anything with a blocky head and short legs. (Or....anything that attacks a human or an animal.)
Animals such as American Bull Dogs, Staffordshire Bull Terriers, Bull Mastiffs, etc. are referred to as "bully breeds" but funny that EVERYBODY wants to call them ALL "pit bulls."
To get back to the original topic - the horse was not attacked by an AMERICAN PIT BULL TERRIER. It was attacked by a Staffordshire, which is a totally different breed with different blood lines.
This is as dumb as saying "Joe Blow won the Rolex on his Throughbred" (Arabian.) Some of the original blood may be shared but they are two entirely different breeds. Just as you wouldn't refer to an Arabian as a Thoroughbred, you should not refer to a Staffie as a "Pit Bull."
But with such a high instance of combined attacks by these breeds....you can see how people fear and worry about these types of dogs...I don't think anyone doubts how lovely a pit bull can be, I know they are...but we worry about our familes, livestock, horses, pets...and there have been a lot of publicity over the past few years of pit bull types attacking, killing, horses..mainly mini's, ponies and foals...so from a horse owner perspective that is what people react to...no one wants to see the dogs made extinct...but how would you all feel if you had been the victim of a pit bull attack? You would have to have sympathy or empathy for the feelings towards the dogs after...the same way people to react to anything traumatic or terrifying...sadly a blanket is thrown over a whole group of people, animals, place, etc...and how can you blame the victim?
http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf"All life is precious"
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I see several problems with this story.
One, the dog didn't belong to the horse owner, so why was the dog allowed to venture into her barn and sleep with her foal?
No one saw the actual attack, yet because both animals were found covered in blood and in a state of shock, it's naturally the dog's fault?
**Not saying the dog didn't do this INTENTIONALLY, but NO ONE really knows for sure what happened!** And as the foal owner states below,
ANY dog rolled over on by a foal is likely to react, maybe not by ripping the ear off the animal, but if a 30lbs dog is being crushed by a several hundre pound foal, I'd bet you'd get that foal to wake up and get off you anyway you could."I can only think that the foal rolled on it while he was sleeping and the dog went for him as it was totally out of character," she added.
After being found, the dog didn't go after the owner of the foal or her children, it was found cowering the in corner and looking sheepish. Which leads me to believe that that dog, under normal circumstances would have never hurt that foal, NOR any Human being!
Yet, because of the irresponsibility of both the dog and foal owner, that dog paid with his life.Chronicle of My Horse
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I do not deny that there ARE Pit Bulls out there attacking people or horses, or other animals.
But, most of the dog bite statistic reports are inherently flawed because (1) They lump 5 or 6 breeds together (I have one report that lumps Pit Bull Types, Rottweilers, Dobermans, and GSDs in one group!) (2) Most dog bites are NEVER reported. Poopsie the Cavalier King Charles bites Johnny's finger and he needs a bandaid, it's not going to be reported to the authorities, so this skews percentage totals. BUT! If the neigbor's Vicious Attack Killer Pit Bull nips Johnny's finger and he gets a bandaid, the parent is FAR more likely to call the cops and report it. It is then reported in the statistics as a Pit Bull having attacked a child. (3) Almost all statistics reports relies on 2nd or 3rd hand info. as to what actually happened, and what breed was involved.
If Suzie Homemaker says that the dog was a Pit Bull, then its reported as such. But Suzie H. might not be at all qualified to positivley ID the dog!
When my puppy mill Beagle/Walker hound was a year old he knocked me to the ground and had his teeth to my throat because I dared take his pig ear away. He did not bite me, but I would consider it a vicious attack. He was glaring in my eyes and DARING me to move. I diverted my eyes to the side in submission so he would hopefully not bite. This dog came from VERY bad bloodlines and had NO socialization whatsoever. He's now 9 years old and is a great dog, but it sure as bleep didn't start out that way!
I am a knowledgeable, responsible dog owner and I failed to report the incident. Seriously, it did not even occur to me until years later. That was a bad thing on my part and I regret that I did not report it. People like that and incidents of that nature are what skew those statistic reports.
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Exactly.Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View PostYet, because of the irresponsibility of both the dog and foal owner, that dog paid with his life.
It could have been any breed of dog, and I suspect the outcome would have been the same.
After reading about the Gypsies and what they've been doing, I think they need to be prohibited and outlawed.
Homeopathy claims water can cure you since it once held medicine. That's like saying you can get sustenance from an empty plate because it once held food.
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I would never attempt to change the minds of people who dislike Pit type dogs, but I will work to prevent them from taking away my rights to own what ever breed of dog I chose, especially if I'm Responsible for my dog and willing to take responsibility for his actions.Originally posted by arabhorse2 View PostSome people, for whatever reason, don't like certain breeds of animals.
Woodland's entitled to her opinion. Nothing any of you pit owners say is going to change her mind, so why keep arguing?
I don't like TBs. Never have, and don't expect I ever will. Doesn't mean I haven't met some individual TBs that I get along with just fine.
Like Woodland, nothing anyone says is going to change my mind about TBs. I just don't LIKE them, and if they disappeared off the face of the earth, it would matter nothing to me.
Of course, I'm not trying to prohibit TBs or have them outlawed, nor do I think the world would be better off without them. Some of their owners maybe, but not the horses themselves......
VAHorse, a lot of Danes won't kill something if they catch it, but that instinct is there. I've seen it with Lexi. Even if they don't mean to kill it, their sheer size and weight can.
Lexi uses her front paws like hands. If she smacks something small like a cat with them, she'll kill it. Then she'll toss it around awhile after it's dead. She has no concept that what she's done is "bad", because for her, it's not.
If that foal did something to make the dog think it was being attacked, or even if it felt cornered, instinct took over. There's absolutely no reason that dog should have been in the stall with the foal.
I couldn't be happier that there are folks out there who don't like the Pit bull type dogs. That means there are less uneducated and irresponsible Pit type dog owners out there that Society has to deal with, rather NOT Deal with.
Honestly, I don't care for Dobermans or Shepherds, not after being attacked by dogs of both breeds as child. But I will not work to irradicate both breeds simply because of my dislike for them.
I will, however, educate myself on both breeds and be open minded enough to understand that it's the owner's fault the dog is the way it is and NOT entirely the dog's fault.
I am very willing to admit that there are bad Pit type dogs out there and their owners aren't any better, but that is due to all the inbreeding and piss poor indiscrimate breeding taking place.
You can't say we don't see that poor quality within the Horse industry? Yet, no one is running around saying this BYB horse should be put down.Chronicle of My Horse
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Ok keeping it horse related
How do we keep our horses safe from loose dogs of any size?
How do we get people to be more accountable for the actions of their animals (and children)?
I have been 'chased' and 'attacked' by all sorts of dogs when out hacking over the years. Luckily my horses have all been raise around dogs http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/d...nt=ohhaism.jpg and ignore them even with lots of barking..unless biting is involved. I had a mare with awesome aim. Luckily where I live now its the rare occasion that there is a roaming dog. Any tips on how to deal with such loose beasts?
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I agree with your assessment of the story. There is so much in it that just "wasn't right."Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View PostI see several problems with this story.
One, the dog didn't belong to the horse owner, so why was the dog allowed to venture into her barn and sleep with her foal?
No one saw the actual attack, yet because both animals were found covered in blood and in a state of shock, it's naturally the dog's fault?
**Not saying the dog didn't do this INTENTIONALLY, but NO ONE really knows for sure what happened!** And as the foal owner states below,
ANY dog rolled over on by a foal is likely to react, maybe not by ripping the ear off the animal, but if a 30lbs dog is being crushed by a several hundre pound foal, I'd bet you'd get that foal to wake up and get off you anyway you could.
After being found, the dog didn't go after the owner of the foal or her children, it was found cowering the in corner and looking sheepish. Which leads me to believe that that dog, under normal circumstances would have never hurt that foal, NOR any Human being!
Yet, because of the irresponsibility of both the dog and foal owner, that dog paid with his life.
I own a Pit cross. He's 100 pounds and though he's an exceptionally sweet natured and submissive dog, I do try to take proper precautions to avoid any incidents.
The dog was a mature, intact male running the streets for a long time before I was able to catch him. He obviously was abused, had tremendous fear of everything including his own shadow, had never been socialized with other dogs or animals, had no training at all. It took us a full 2 months of the dog hanging around our farm before I could touch him and get a leash on him. The dog couldn't go up or down stairs because he just had no clue. He was not potty trained, was terrified of a kennel, scared of even getting a collar on his neck.
We've done a lot of work with him and he's exceptionally bright and good natured, but knowing his lack of early socialization and training, I would never take dumb chances with him.
Patricia McConnel, and other researchers belive there is a CRITICAL period during puppyhood where proper socialization is crucial and if the dog doesn't get it, there is no guarantees for its future behavior.
My dog didn't get that so I am extra cautious. It doesn't mean that I recognize that Pit Bulls are dangerous and could "turn in an instant." It means that the dog (regardless of breed!) had a VERY bad start to life, and who knows what kind of breeding and genetics. As such I have a responsibility as knowledgeable dog owner to not set my dog up to fail.
I would not leave him in a stall with a newborn foal. I would never leave him unattended with a child. I will not let strangers hover over him in the pet store. And so forth. It doesn't mean the breed inherently can't be trusted. It means that his idiot breeder and/or owner did not set the dog up for success straight out of the womb. It now requires extra thought on my part.
And I would approach the situation precisely the same if the dog were any other breed.
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If these dogs are on your property, inform the owner once of your intent to protect your livestock/horses at all cost. Give them the opportunity to be responsible.Originally posted by Aven View PostOk keeping it horse related
How do we keep our horses safe from loose dogs of any size?
How do we get people to be more accountable for the actions of their animals (and children)?
I have been 'chased' and 'attacked' by all sorts of dogs when out hacking over the years. Luckily my horses have all been raise around dogs http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/d...nt=ohhaism.jpg and ignore them even with lots of barking..unless biting is involved. I had a mare with awesome aim. Luckily where I live now its the rare occasion that there is a roaming dog. Any tips on how to deal with such loose beasts?
If not, you have 2 choices ... Shot the dog and then report the incident to the AC and have the owners claim the carcas. Or contain the animal and call AC for them to pick up the dog.
As for hacking out on public land, mace or a horse with really good aim. That one I'm not so familiar with, as I don't hack out on public land. Check for leash laws in the area you are hacking on as well. And if you get cell reception, keep the AC's number programed, snap a picture of the dog and call the AC.Chronicle of My Horse
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And some dogs have stronger hunting insticts. We had a Newf cross (likely crossed with GSD) who would kill any new born animal he could get too. He was the quietest sweetest dog with all other animals. There was just something about foals, lambs and kittens that he couldn't resist.
A small foal, or sheep is pontential prey for any med to large sized dogs. I have seen lots of breeds go after foals. (My JRTs really want to eat mutton!) If I was worried about dogs in my fields I would hot wire low to the ground. I don't let any dogs (even my tiny JRT pictured with this years foal in my previous post) un attended around foals. You are just asking for trouble. Now if I had dogs with NO hunting instinct what so ever.. then maybe. But its not a risk I would take.
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i tried to ignore this thread but i'm glad i read it.
it gave me an opportunity to add few more COTHers to the ignore list.
btw, my mare was attacked by a vicious TB and everyone knows that TB's are nuts and hence should be destroyed.http://www.eponashoe.com/
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Ok, totally off topic.
AVEN, I LOVE the pic of your JRT sniffing the foal's butt!
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She loved the butt. (Aria is an orphan) There was something magical about milk replacer poop as far as the dogs were concerned. Dekka was fascinated by the fact this special 'treat' (bleck) came out of a horse's behind!!Originally posted by VAHorseGurl View PostOk, totally off topic.
AVEN, I LOVE the pic of your JRT sniffing the foal's butt!

But that is another reason I wouldn't leave her alone with Aria. She might decide in that very JRT way to try to go straight to the source!
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Pittbulls can be wonderful dogs, sure, and I've met a few that I've absolutely loved, but their nature - what they've been bred for - is not something so easily eradicated. You can only push them so far before they snap, and for some dogs that fuse is longer, for some it's shorter. I don't think the breed should be eradicated, but I think breeding practices should be VERY carefully monitored. We no longer need these dogs for fighting or for sport, we want them for pets. Let's breed pets; the only risk is losing some of the breed distinction, but what cost gaining a more trustworthy breed?http://www.chronicleofmyhorse.com/profile/Ashley26
"You keep one leg on one side, the other leg on the other side, and your mind in the middle." -- Henry Taylor, "Riding Lesson"
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