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  • #61
    You can borrow my beagle. She's a pistol, let me tell you. This is HER farm. HER horses, goats and cats.

    On the other hand, my German Shepherd, if someone knocks on the door, barks once and hides under the bed.

    Oooo.... very scary guard dog.

    My beagle is only 25lbs - but she has a Napoleon complex. She's a great farm dog as well as a fantastic hunting dog. Follows at my heel all day, obedient, smartest dog I've ever known, easy care, and has a brave heart.

    All of my dogs came from shelters. They always turn out to be fantastic, loyal, protective, loving animals. Why not pay the shelter a visit?

    Betcha you'll find a lovable dog who will be your best buddy his/her entire life. Mutt or purebred - doesn't matter.

    Good luck.
    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
    -Rudyard Kipling

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    • #62
      We had a chesapeake bay retriever (possible mastiff crossing somewhere) that was the world's greatest dog. Mellow to the extreme, loved the outdoors, MASSIVE, and very protective when it was a "bad guy". Great, great dog. If you can find one of the larger, more mellow ones, they're better IMO than the smaller, more high strung ones. After Tucker dies, we got a smaller one who turned out to be a total nutcase. We had to give him away, he would attack my baby sister and destroy everything. First one we haev had that wasn't of the massive, NC bred, wonteverstepfootintoashowring, huntin bred ones. Love em to death. I have a maltese now who is by far the mnost ferocious guard/attack dog I have seen, but he isn't exactly intimidating, nor does he distinguish between good guys and bad ones...By the way, the breed standard maxes out at 80 pounds, ours wieged at 135, the hunting NC line is almost a seperate breed, i can't remember who breeds them though. Big square heads, and bullheaded as anything, but once they learn something, it ain't going anywhere. Tucker has defencedc our house and the nieghbors house from robbers before, and we have also had animal control get a call on him when he was loose that a "bear cub" was loose in our nieghborhood....oops.
      -Grace

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      • #63
        I know about half of my friends with Greater Swiss Mountain dogs also have horses. They have been bred to be a great all around farm dog for hundreds of years. While they can herd, they are more in the "droving" category, so they are not usually a concern for heel nipping and chasing. They are excellent watch dogs, letting you know the minute anything has changed around the farm with a loud barroooo. They have been draft dogs for centuries - mine seem pretty proud of themselves when they pull their wagons (and it's useful). They are large, black, imposing, and very attached to their people and home. They are not agressive dogs, but if pushed, I know they'd protect me. As a working breed, they have less tendency to wander than many scent or sight hounds. I too live out in the woods, far from the road, but never worry because I know my dogs are on duty. They have a short haircoat that sheds, but doesn't bring in as many burrs, shavings or mud balls as a long or fluffy coat. They also have a dry mouth - no drool stringers. Please at least take a look at the breed. No breed is better or worse than another, but some are better suited to certain situations. You're looking for a dog to be good around your horses and farm, and that's just what this breed was bred to do.
        God grant me a horse and an eternity to learn its ways.

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        • #64
          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by J Swan:
          On the other hand, my German Shepherd, if someone knocks on the door, barks once and hides under the bed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>Hence the recommendation for working lines.

          We've had two long-lived GSDs. There would be a third now except the cat is too old and too deaf to train another puppy. Anyway, Sasha would greet everyone that came to the door. It was her duty to scope everybody out. Seeker was lazy. He could see who was at the door through the windows on either side, so he made his assessments before getting up. If it was a kid, he'd stay on his bed and bark once or twice to call you into the room. These were single barks with long pauses in between, like, "Hey, get the door, will ya'?" If it was an adult, he was at the door in the span of a couple nanoseconds. He actually did bite one of our neighbours (you want to talk about weird and creepy people?), but it was only a pinch with his front teeth and clearly a warning. He did it and held his ground, hackles up and growling. He did not fly off the handle and attack, although if the neighbour hadn't smartly backed away, I've no doubt there'd have been some blood shed. And it was an intruding situation, not as if the guy was over on invite.
          "I did know once, only I've sort of forgotten." - Winnie the Pooh

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            #65
            So far my list of top breeds is : (and is subject to change)

            Anatolian Shepherd
            Kuvasz
            Bouvier des Flandres
            Rodesian Ridgeback

            (And I'll still get my Great Dane! )

            I'm leaning away from the GSDs because they shed a lot and can have negative impacts on homeowners insurance.

            I realize some smaller dogs can be good at gaurding, but they just don't have that "I'm a BIG DOG" presence.


            So now, horse related.... Which of those above dogs are going to be helpful with the ponies? Which will be herding? Are the dogs agressive enough to attack a person? Or no (I don't want that)?

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            • #66
              JMO, but I don't like "herding" dogs or "hunting" dogs. The herders think they have to insert themselves into the horse equation when their "help" is not the least bit helpful. And some of the hunting dogs are too eager to kill something. Not fond of the retriever types either -- I've got better things to do than play "throw and fetch" all day.

              My own favorites are the sled dog breeds. They'll run the country to hell and gone if they aren't confined to some extent, but they leave the horses alone, and they don't expect to be 110% involved in MY life 110% of the time.

              The last Malemute/Husky cross I had looked so much like a wolf that he didn't have to do a dang thing but stand up to have people running for their lives.

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              • #67
                I understand - my German Shepherd is the one people are concerned about because he's a "big dog". The beagle is the silent but deadly one though.

                As far as horses go - I have had many different breeds of dogs, including herding dogs, around horses. The only trouble I have had with a visitor who brought their border collie with a tremendous instinct, but no discipline. Since I have foxhunters the horses were nonplussed. Not all horses would be so forgiving.

                So I think, if you go for a herding dog - just work with a person experienced with the breed to help you harness those talents should you see that they going awry.

                Belgian Shepherds are nice too.

                I think the AKC has an interactive thingy where you can type in your preferences, and they come up with a list of breeds that match. That's worth trying. Then maybe you can contact the list of breeders and ask them how the breed is with livestock.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #68
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content"> So now, horse related.... Which of those above dogs are going to be helpful with the ponies? Which will be herding? Are the dogs agressive enough to attack a person? Or no (I don't want that)?
                  </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  Well I can only answer for my Rhodesian. When she first met the ponies, she was very curious. She'd actually try to smell their sheaths, like they were dogs! Thankfully they weren't bothered by her, and Miles would of course try to smell her as well. Now she'll come around the horses but pretty much keep a safe distance. She doesn't herd. And she's never been aggressive towards people, ever. She's got a big bark, but she's actually very licky and sweet. She's laying on the floor beside me at this very moment.
                  "A horse's face always conveys clearly whether it is loved by its owner or simply used." - Anja Beran

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                  • #69
                    I would also recommend a Rhodesian Ridgeback, preferably get two. They guard better in pairs and can be quite diabolical about going after prey.

                    They will not herd, in my opinion. They will "guard" the horses and go after anything that threatens them.

                    These dogs are very affectionate with the family and friends. However, if they are unsure of who you are, the look on their face is downright scarey. You have no idea what is going on behind the eyes...

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                    • #70
                      Is this going to be a mostly indoor dog, but outside during parts of the day? Mostly hanging around with you? Have you dealt with dominant breeds before?

                      If so, I'd say Doberman. So far, they're my favorite breed of farm dog. Not much grooming, not much drool, growls/barks/protects the house---but at the same time, not viscious to visitors (as long as they're properly introduced). Haven't yet had a problem with 'herding' the horses either.

                      They are people dogs though. They aren't a true "farm dog" that is comfortable living/sleeping outside or in the barn. They really are a very family oriented breed. As a matter of fact, one of mine is sleeping under the covers with my husband as I type . If you want a dog who wants to be around you all the time, a dobe would be a good choice. If you'd rather a more independant breed--PASS!

                      No matter what breed you go with, I think I'd consider the most important characteristics are bred, not trained. Don't get a dog that was bred to herd. If you want a protective dog, it's easier to get one that has protective instincts. If you want a dog to stay near you, don't get a dog that was bred to track or roam. Of course you can train a dog, but IMO, it's easier to go with a breed suited for your needs.

                      Good luck!

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                      • #71
                        RegentLion, I have 2 rhodesian ridgebacks and 1 anatolian shepherd. The ridgies are great, but my girl ridgie DID hide behind me once when confronted with a very dangerous crippled hen. The male ridgie is a brave and sweet dog, but IME the ridgies take a couple years to mature into a home guardian role. Farside54, I agree with your "getting two" comment.

                        My anatolian is a rescue...all the way from Texas courtesy of the wonderful folks at NASRN. If I had to face an intruder or walk out into some scary woods, THIS is the dog I would want at my side.
                        www.plainfieldfarmky.com

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                        • #72
                          Oh do pray tell, why not go to your local OVERPOPULATED animal shelter and adopt? Why spend hundreds on a "purebred"? Doesn't anyone think your average run of the mill mutt can protect? Jeez. Most people on this BB would hoo-rah over saving horses, why not a mutt at the shelter? Mutts tend to be healthier than PBs, not as many hereditary diseases. If it's just going to be your barn dog, trail blazing buddy then do a kind deed and get a grateful mutt puppy from the shelter. Or if your so set on a PB, contact a breed rescue. Those people could probably give you all the good and bad aspects of the breed.
                          Jen Evans & DaBear

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                          • #73
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by 2hsmommy:
                            Oh do pray tell, why not go to your local OVERPOPULATED animal shelter and adopt? Why spend hundreds on a "purebred"? Doesn't anyone think your average run of the mill mutt can protect? Jeez. Most people on this BB would hoo-rah over saving horses, why not a mutt at the shelter? Mutts tend to be healthier than PBs, not as many hereditary diseases. If it's just going to be your barn dog, trail blazing buddy then do a kind deed and get a grateful mutt puppy from the shelter. Or if your so set on a PB, contact a breed rescue. Those people could probably give you all the good and bad aspects of the breed. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Quite a few people have said to go to a shelter or breed rescue. My Rott is a roadside rescue and I wouldn't trade him for the world.
                            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                            *Phenix* 1990 Trakehner Mare
                            *Vanderbilt* 2001 OTTB Gelding

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                            • #74
                              As are my two. One is a terrier mix, the other a PB. Best dogs I could ask for.
                              Jen Evans & DaBear

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                              • #75
                                2Foals - I would also recommend an Anatolian as they have been bred to guard herds throughout history. However, I understand them to be a little more "hardheaded" to train and require a firm hand.

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                                • #76
                                  Something to keep in mind - how does the breed of choice get along with other dogs? I had an ACD and a Rottie at the same time, both females. They had to be kept separated or the ACD would have been killed, not the Rottie's fault. Both dogs were VERY possesive of me, the ACD would attack the Rott, who would retaliate. Same thing when I bought my JRT. I had to get a male even though I prefer female dogs (they are far more protective, by the way) because he wouldn't fight with my female dogs, but another female definitely would have. Just something to think about
                                  Lapeer ... a small drinking town with a farming problem.
                                  Proud Closet Canterer!

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                                  • #77
                                    Definitely look into breed rescues- a lot of breed rescue dogs are in foster homes and the fosterers can tell you how they do with other critters, much easier than either a shelter or a breeder.
                                    "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." - Gandhi

                                    -my gelding is a ho clique-

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                                    • #78
                                      http://petfinders.com

                                      This site has both Anatolian Shephards and my favorite...the Akbash. It is a rescue site with wonderful dogs (most purebred..some cross breeds. )in need of forever homes.

                                      If you are genuinely serious about a guardian dog I think you should read up on these breeds. They are working dogs and most agree not to be used for house companions. They do need a job,and are great at what their innate centuries of breeding has provided for them .
                                      "My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sunlight and nicker to me in the night"

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                                      • #79
                                        I love my German SHepherd everyone "asks" if they can get out of their car She is protective yet has good manners, and don't think for minute someone can get under her radar - I had to work a lot with her as a puppy though... I also LOVE my beardie collie they are a nice mix together and they don't bother the horses .. they where brought up with them and unless I ask for help with a foal that is loose they don't herd unless needed...Get that bad foal...they then go behind and drive him forward by barking...

                                        Our german shepherd is devoted to us, she is NOT destructive in the house she spends all day outside running around and then sleeps next to the bed on her own doggie bed at night along with the beardie I LOVE my dogs...The Beardie was a destructive puppy but the German Shepherd always was focused on her toys and doing what she was told - the Beardie is so cute but had too many bad ideas I love her though she is 12yrs old now!!

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                                          #80
                                          On the Rescue/Animal shelter note. I really believe in these things, HOWEVER...

                                          If I am going to get (buy/adopt) a dog that is for GAURDING purposes, and has potential to be aggressive, I want to know as much as I can about that dog. You don't always know for certain the breeding (or from what lines) a dog comes from. You don't know what kind of experiences it has had in the past. There are a lot of unknowns. I'm not saying that resuces/shelters are bad, or you can't get a super dog from them. If I were going for a companion or something that wasn't intended for a "job," a shelter would be my first stop.

                                          I'm just saying that if I'm going to get a potentially aggressive dog, I want to know as much as I can about it first. I will check out rescues once I've picked a breed, but due to my location, not all rescues will work b/c not all adopt out of area.



                                          As for will the dog be inside/outside: Depends on the need of the dog. I'm more than willing to let it come in, (I'd prefer that), but if the breed is happier/designed to be out more, great.

                                          I thought about Dobermans, but as I mentioned earlier, I know four that are tremendous softies. Nice dogs. Great "mean look" but in reality, the ones I know are just big babies.

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