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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Porcelain Pony:
    Wow, this is really amazing. I bet a lot of Jewish people thought that back in 1930s Germany. I bet a lot of people thought that in the once beautiful and peaceful Yugoslovia. I bet a lot of people thought that in 1960s Afganistan. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh, so if I think that racial profiling of an entire religion whose sole mission is to kill infidels (that's _us,_ y'all!) is a good thing, suddenly I'm a Nazi sympathizer? Okay, whatever. And bear in mind who kicked the Nazi's collective butts, too, before you get too carried away.......................... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Oh right it was just America against Germany.....

    Who cares about the rest of the countries in the world who had young men die in Europe as well....

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    • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mpeylin:
      thanks
      You guys do realize, that way back when *(maybe even during primaries) there was an ad and e-mails (they send me the dem talking points) stressing how Kerry was a huge backer of the Pat. Act? I never did look up if it was true or not, but it was initially in the talking points, before (I guess) they realized it was better to be out. I wish I still had that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Imagine that! John Kerry changing his stand on an issue? Who'd have believed it! ROFLMAO! </span>
      In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
      A life lived by example, done too soon.
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      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
        [QUOTE]

        Oh, so if I think that racial profiling of an entire religion whose sole mission is to kill infidels (that's _us,_ y'all!) is a good thing, suddenly I'm a Nazi sympathizer? Okay, whatever. And bear in mind who kicked the Nazi's collective butts, too, before you get too carried away.......................... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        WHAT? Do you know ANYTHING about Islam?? I can't BELIEVE that ignorant statement...

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mpeylin:
          thanks

          BC - and Kerry was the people's president? how much did he and his wife pay in taxes last year? He said he had a plan and he never shared his plan with us. I never read any of kerry's environmental plan ... only hearda bout vietnam anyway.

          You guys do realize, that way back when *(maybe even during primaries) there was an ad and e-mails (they send me the dem talking points) stressing how Kerry was a huge backer of the Pat. Act? I never did look up if it was true or not, but it was initially in the talking points, before (I guess) they realized it was better to be out. I wish I still had that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
          AP News, January 2004:
          Democratic presidential candidates have criticized it to varying extents, with Sen. John Kerry saying last month that he would take a hard look at the Patriot Act. "We will put an end to 'sneak and peak' searches, which permit law enforcement to conduct a secret search and seize evidence without notification," said Kerry, who acknowledged that he voted for the measure in 2001. "Agents can break into a home or business to take photos, seize property, copy computer files or load a secret keystroke detector on a computer. These searches should be limited only to the most rare circumstances."

          After Bush's speech, ABC News asked Kerry whether he would keep the law intact. Kerry replied: "I think there are good parts to it and bad parts to it."
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          Yes, Kerry did vote for the Patriot Act in 2001. However, he expressed early in his campaign that he thought it should be modified to preserve civil liberties, whereas Bush wants to modify it to restrict civil liberties even further.
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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karosel:
            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mpeylin:


            Sometimes I wish someone in the Muslim community would say "go ahead, profile us, we realize it needs to be done." and then they STILL kept the random selection. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>


            Whoa! Why do you think that the Muslim community needs to be profiled? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Read the Koran and you'll find out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            Well Im willing to bet that we could find something in the bible that could convince some people to profile Christians.

            My point is all racial profiling will do is hurt innnocent people. Do you really think that the old man who runs the corner shop down the street, and who just happens to be a Muslim, is really a threat to you? If so I feel sorry for you..it must be terrible to live life with such irrational fear.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Read the Koran and you'll find out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Well.... you could read the bible too......
              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

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              • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karosel:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Porcelain Pony:
                Wow, this is really amazing. I bet a lot of Jewish people thought that back in 1930s Germany. I bet a lot of people thought that in the once beautiful and peaceful Yugoslovia. I bet a lot of people thought that in 1960s Afganistan. Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Oh, so if I think that racial profiling of an entire religion whose sole mission is to kill infidels (that's _us,_ y'all!) is a good thing, suddenly I'm a Nazi sympathizer? Okay, whatever. And bear in mind who kicked the Nazi's collective butts, too, before you get too carried away.......................... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Oh right it was just America against Germany.....

                Who cares about the rest of the countries in the world who had young men die in Europe as well.... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                Oh, please. The argument isn't going the way you want it to, "your" candidate didn't get the big chair in the White House and now you're bitching because someone reminded you of a historical fact? Yes, of course I know that it wasn't called WORLD WAR II because it was only America and Germany. My point was that I didn't think the comparison valid. Just in case you missed it....................
                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                • It will be an interesting 2008 election . I too have always liked McCain. However, you do know that all the conservatives are going to have a problem with Mrs. McCain's problems a few years back, because lord knows they are all perfect and have absolutely no ghosts in their closets .
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                  • Historically, a President's second term tends to be more bi-partisan than their first term.
                    Magnolia raises an interesting point: What does the future hold for moderates in both parties?

                    If Americans are, for the most part, moderate, then why are we not seeing these folks elected?

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                    • Profile them because ALL of the 9/11 hijackers were. Because that is who MOSTLY hates us.

                      Profile others who look shifty. Who look uncomfortable. Keep doing the random stuff because an 80 y/o grandmother could very well have a bomb strapped to her - or a small child. I'm all for it. But at least be allowed to profile some, use some of your judgment. There was a statement during the 9/11 commission (yes, I read the report) that the hijacker that got sent back almost was allowed to continue, because a co-worker told the customs inspector "you can't hold him. he's muslim. we'll get in trouble." and the customs inspector hell and high water said the guy was suspicious. Perhaps because he didn't get through the passengers on the united flight were able to stop the hijackers before they did who-knows-what

                      As for Cat Stevens, perform for a group known to sympathize, don't come back to the states or at least receive heavy scrutiny for doing so. I told my cousin just as much (she's in turkey on a federal grant, sending us e-mails about how much she hates Americans. Hate Americans? fine. Stay there. And give back your federal money while you're at it)

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                      • mpeylin-
                        I'm about as aryan looking as you can get, and I don't mind being searched when I travel by plane. Or for that matter, being searched when I attend a private or public event where security is a concern.

                        But to me, that's a heck of a lot different than coming into my home and searching my property without probable cause! I think we need to differentiate here!
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                        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magnolia:
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Read the Koran and you'll find out. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Well.... you could read the bible too...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          Well, I guess I missed the part in the Christian Bible where if I go out and kill all the infidels I can and die in the process, I'll be rewarded in heaven with 72 virgins. Like anyone in their right mind would WANT 72 virgins!

                          I guess I'm kinda stuck on that pesky commandment,"Thou shalt not kill." It doesn't say, "Thou shalt not kill anyone but infidels." Unless someone's changed it since I last looked......................
                          In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                          A life lived by example, done too soon.
                          www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karosel:


                            Whoa! Why do you think that the Muslim community needs to be profiled? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists are Muslims. (The ones that flew into the WTC and Pentagon, I mean.)

                            I am a registered Republican and voted for W. However, I am not so narrow-minded as to believe that everything he has done was right for the country. I actually agree that he failed miserably in coming up with an exit strategy for Iraq.

                            BUT, I think the Dems need to come up with a better candidate next time. I did not hear one Kerry supporter rave about what a great leader he would be or how he inspired anyone. He was just "not W".
                            I would like to think I will die an heroic death...

                            But it's more likely I'll trip over my dog and choke on a spoonful of frosting.

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists are Muslims. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              So McVeigh was Muslim? And the Colombine kids? And those "Eco-Terrorists". We could exterminate the muslims and still not be safe from terror......
                              The witchy witch witch of south central NC.

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                              • Nope, and so profiling (or lack thereof) still wouldn't have kept us safe. So what's the answer?

                                Also, none of the people you mentioned used religion as a reason for killing. The Koran teaches that exterminating infidels is holy and will be rewarded. And we're not supposed to be threatened by that? Does the word "jihad" mean anything to you? Or are you pulling for a repeat of 9/11?
                                In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                                • Thanks, Magnolia. I was just about to say that. I can't believe anyone would say all terrorists are Muslim.

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Magnolia:
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all the terrorists are Muslims. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    So McVeigh was Muslim? And the Colombine kids? And those "Eco-Terrorists". We could exterminate the muslims and still not be safe from terror...... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                    Thanks Magnolia, you beat me to it.
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                                    • I really can't believe the gross, ignorant generalizations that are being made here about Muslims and Islam....

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                                      • Fessy-
                                        Since you're in Mass, you probably remember when Gov. Bill Weld gave Kerry a run for his money!

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                                        • Kudos to LMH and Madison.

                                          What some people have forgotten is that some of the problems we currently have are due to the Clinton era.

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