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  • #81
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Porcelain Pony:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pds:
    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Four more years to take away our civil liberties. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    And exactly what civil liberties did Bush take away??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'd like to know, too. Did I miss something important? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Um...that would be a resounding YES <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    What, please? Specifically?
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    • #82
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vandy:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pds:
      <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Four more years to take away our civil liberties. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      And exactly what civil liberties did Bush take away??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      I'd like to know, too. Did I miss something important? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
      Here's the most obvious example: http://news.com.com/2100-1028-5144203.html
      Have you read the so-called Patriot Act? Do you think it's okay to arrest and detain American citizens without warrant or probable cause? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

      Yes, I do.
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      • #83
        ESG-
        Until you familiarize yourself with the Patriot Act in its entirety (something which most members of the Senate and Congress admit they have not done btw), I think you ARE missing something. You don't have to be a terrorist to be subject to unconstitutional search, seizure and arrest these days. You and I are at risk, even though we are certainly not terrorists. This policy scares me more than Saddam and bin Laden combined.
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        • #84
          Not a Bush fan. My husband is in serious mourning. But the reality is, the country does not need to be ripped apart again like it was four years ago. Thanks, Kerry, for being a gentleman. Dems in 2008!
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          • #85
            25 year old Bush supporter here! As someone mentioned, the President does not make all of our decisions-the Senate and House have a lot of power, too. And I believe that last night Republicans fared quite well in both-so I don't think it is a total shock that Bush won when one considers that the Republican party in general had a very strong showing last night, indicating that perhaps we are seeing a national trend to a more conservative public. I don't know, but it is certainly food for thought.
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            • #86
              ESG, seems we posted at the same time...So you are saying it would be okay if the FBI or police (even local police in the latest scenario) can just come into your home, search it, and arrest you, without telling you why they are doing this? Without the right to a fair and timely trial?

              This sounds a lot like Nazi Germany to me...is that what you really want for our country?
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              • #87
                Well, if I had cause to be worried, I guess I'd be worried. Call me crazy, but I've always subscribed to the theory that "where there's smoke, there's fire". If I'm not frequenting terrorist backed sites or pestering my cable company to broadcast Al Jazeera TV, I'm fairly convinced that the federal government will have little or no interest in me in conjunction with national security. And if you think that your internet activities aren't already being monitored by lots of other entities other than the federal government, I suggest you think again.
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                • #88
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Vandy:
                  ESG, seems we posted at the same time...So you are saying it would be okay if the FBI or police (even local police in the latest scenario) can just come into your home, search it, and arrest you, without telling you why they are doing this? Without the right to a fair and timely trial?

                  <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Police rarely pick a home/person at random, invade and trash his/her home and arrest them. There IS a little thing called "probable cause" that still exists, whoever sits in the White House. </span>

                  This sounds a lot like Nazi Germany to me...is that what you really want for our country? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">You're getting a bit carried away, here, Vandy. And if our governmental policies really do scare you more than bin Laden or Saddam, I'm sure a more morally neutral country might be where you belong....................like France, perhaps. </span>
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                  • #89
                    These conversations are so interesting to me...bottom line is EVERYONE has an agenda...and EVERYONE's agenda is different...

                    Some are pro-choice, others are pro-life...some have environmental concerns, others want low taxes!!

                    This all evolves from our OWN personal perception and wants and desires...it doesn't make anyone smart or stupid or right or wrong (well unless you disagree with MOI of course---another thread, another day )....

                    that is again the fortune granted to us in this country-you go out and vote and air your opinion.

                    I can assure you, moving to another country ISN'T going to ensure you get all your needs met there---heck it can't even happen in a family of 4 on most days...how can it possibly happen in a "family" of millions and millions?

                    This is the game you play...unless of course you win an island or whatever the credit card promotion is these days...then I guess problem solved.

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                    • #90
                      Not only does the Patriot act allow the to come into your home, search it, and arrest you, it allows for the to hold you without telling ANYONE they have you, without allowing you a phone call, and without allowing you representation.

                      I agree with Vandy--is this what you want?

                      I seriously doubt, pds or esg, that you have actually READ the act. Educate yourselves.

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                      • #91
                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Magnolia - Not criticizing you, but... If you knew anything about American History you would know that Arnold S can NOT run for the President. He is not a US born citizen. For other historians here, correct me if I am wrong, but I *think* it states that in the Constitution??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                        No, you are correct, it is in the constitution, but he is a pretty driven guy and I bet could get the constitution amended. But I'm really just being silly and hoping there are MORE republicans like him.
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                        • #92
                          <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by pds:
                          Another Bush supporter here.

                          Man am I relieved, the very thought of Kerry as president just scared the heck out of me.

                          It really irks me that people would vote for a man (Kerry) that openly subjugates his moral beliefs for political gain??? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                          It really irks me that people would vote for someone that is a danger to the separation of church and state.

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                          • #93
                            <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simkie:
                            Not only does the Patriot act allow the to come into your home, search it, and arrest you, it allows for the to hold you without telling ANYONE they have you, without allowing you a phone call, and without allowing you representation.

                            I agree with Vandy--is this what you want?

                            I seriously doubt, pds or esg, that you have actually READ the act. Educate yourselves. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            As I mentioned to Vandy, there is still a small thing called "probable cause". No one is going to jump into your living room backed up by a SWAT team if you're not doing something suspicious or associating with someone who is. Call me naive if you want, but honest citizens aren't just picked at random to be descended upon and persecuted. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire.
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                            • #94
                              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>As I mentioned to Vandy, there is still a small thing called "probable cause". No one is going to jump into your living room backed up by a SWAT team if you're not doing something suspicious or associating with someone who is. Call me naive if you want, but honest citizens aren't just picked at random to be descended upon and persecuted. Where there's smoke, there's usually fire. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              Have you READ THE ACT, ESG?

                              Your probable cause can be something as minor as buying a couple books on Islam for a school project, or an annoymous tip from ANYONE.

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                              • #95
                                I voted for Bush and proud of it. I am a republican but did not vote straight down republican. Be thankful you don't have Minner as you're governor, that I just cannot believe. I guess putting all your "goals" into action in an election year and not before that is what does it. Anyhows, congrats to President Bush and glad to see Kerry handle defeat so well ...

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                                • #96
                                  Simkie, I think you're getting carried away.
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                                  • #97
                                    &lt;smile&gt;

                                    That's fine, ESG. You have fun. This country is sliding down a slippery slope, and I sure as hell don't want to see where it's going.

                                    I encourage you to read the patriot act.

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                                    • #98
                                      I'm glad that Bush won.

                                      I personally think that Kerry is a COMMUNIST!
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                                      • #99
                                        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
                                        <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">Police rarely pick a home/person at random, invade and trash his/her home and arrest them. There IS a little thing called "probable cause" that still exists, whoever sits in the White House. </span>

                                        <span class="ev_code_PURPLE">You're getting a bit carried away, here, Vandy. And if our governmental policies really do scare you more than bin Laden or Saddam, I'm sure a more morally neutral country might be where you belong....................like France, perhaps. </span> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                        "Morally neutral"? I get lumped in with the morally neutral because I believe in personal freedom, and my rights as outlined in the US Constition?

                                        Please familiarize yourself with the Patriot Act. You are wrong in your statement that "probable cause" still exists in the context of the Patriot Act. It does not.

                                        I love my country, and have no desire to leave. However, I have been thinking a lot today about the Germans who loved their country when Hitler became their ruler. Years later, people question why they did not leave when things started to turn ugly, and their personal freedoms began to diminish. So in today's America, I can certainly respect those who choose to flee.
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                                        • Simkie and Vandy, even if the USA is descending down the proverbial slippery slope, what exactly are you personally going to do about it? Especially considering the fact that your chances of the majority of the populace doing anything about it have just been put on hold for the next four years.............
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