Bush wins as Kerry concedes

[nhwr]

Your horse can probably move up to Training level if you make it a goal like Bush has made it a goal to get Roe v. Wade reversed.

[UNCeventer]

I agree with LMH. Those of you who are having problems with things, go out and make a difference, NOW! Get involved, know your facts and get others involved too. No, there probably isnt much you can do about the presidential election, but there are other areas where the people do have power and the more you get involved now, the more impact you can make the next time.

I also have to add that I honestly dont think that Kerry was supported how he should have been (whoa- dont flame me yet- hear me out). He should have been supported as a potential leader, but the majority of the time, it was more that the people just didnt want to see BUsh in office. It wasnt that they wanted Kerry to be pres, they just wanted Bush outta there.

I wasnt a huge fan of either candidate. I think that the political system and the use of the electoral votes needs some MAJOR work!

Please people, don't leave the country. The country needs support and if you feel that strongly, get out and let your voice be heard!

[Simkie]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Hmmm, shall we plan a graduation party in Toronto I'm hoping to be out of school and working by 2006 though (we'll have to wait and see if it actually happens). Right now I'm thinking grad school may not happen- oh well. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

&lt;grin&gt; sounds good, HJ! I was hoping for grad school, too--but maybe not anymore.

If I could leave now, I would. Unfortunately the financial and tax consequences would be severe. So, later.

[Simkie]

UNCEventer, this was posted on another message board. I just don't have this much faith.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
"Well, CNN has just called Ohio in Bush's favor. I do not like to see Bush as president again, and the results of this election are extremely troubling for a number of reasons.

I firmly believe that Bush and his cohorts represent what will turn out to be the western Taliban, a fundamentalist Christian corporatocracy. It scares me to think that so many Americans have so skewed a sense of morality, and "morality" is one of the top reasons so many have given for supporting these devils. I do believe that it was the "moral" issues of abortion and gay marriage that brought Bush his support at the polls. But, as I'm sure I don't need to tell you, he is anything but a moral man.

My sense of morality does NOT condone lying to Congress, the American people, and our overseas allies to rationalize an unneeded war. My sense of morality does NOT condone pharmaceutical companies making huge profits on life-saving drugs while millions of Americans cannot afford them. My sense of morality does NOT include saving the "unborn" for a future of poverty and a failing education system.

The principle problem that our country will face in the years to come is not terrorism, it is not healthcare, and it is not the economy. No, the greatest problem we face today as citizens of this nation is the ideological schism among the American people. In most states throughout the Union, we see results that are quite close, even though they have been called for one side or the other. As it stands, a little over half the nation follows the Bush version of morality, a belief system the rest of us vehemently disdain. We have reached a point where we cannot reconcile the differences between one faction and the other. My friends, we are in the second American Civil War, only the shooting hasn't yet begun.

And, God willing, the shooting won't have to begin. After Bush first became president, there arose a sentiment in this country that has strongly opposed the man and the policies he stands for. Over four years that grass-roots sentiment has grown stronger and gained support, and though it has not been able to bring a clear victory over Bush and the far-right, we cannot, we must not give up. Despite the darkness of this hour, my friends, we must continue to put our energies into opposing Bush and his destructive agenda. Continue to sign petitions, continue to send messages to your representatives and senators in congress.

Now is not the time to lose heart. When America's first great naval hero, John Paul Jones, stood on the deck of his ship Bonhomme Richard against the larger 50-gun British Serapis , the picture was very grim. With his hull holed near the waterline, spars shot to pieces, rigging mangled, and masts weakened, Jones was in a precarious position. When Captain Pearson of the Serapis called across the waves, "Has your ship struck?" the defiant Jones shouted back, "I have not yet begun to fight."

My friends, the fight is just now beginning for America's future. I, for one, shall never give up on this nation, and her proper ideals of Liberty, Equality, and Democracy. I will not give up on the dream of America, that so many patriots have bled and died for on the field of battle, on the streets of the segregated South, and in the union picket lines of the industrializing North. And I ask every one of you fellow American citizens to help keep this dream alive, as I ask every fellow citizen of the world to understand that there are still those of us in this nation who will fight against the America that Bush represents.

Now is not the time to bow our heads and weep, now is not the time for American patriots to flee to foriegn lands, now is not the time to give up on America. It is the time that we the people reassert our influence, freedom, and proper place in this nation. "
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[bumknees]

Why is it that those who supported Kerry keep thinking that bush et al ever said anything about reenstating the draft except to say no wil not happen.
It was 2 dem congressmen who brought the whole thing up then turned around and voteded against their own bill(s). the bush adminstation never ever ever stated anything about reenstating the draft. Oh wait that may be incorrect I did hear some rumbelings in the days after 9-11 but I do not know if those wre from Bush or not. think they may have been internet and /or news media rumbelings only.
Just be happy that bush did win or Kerry may have the draft to cover the military personel who leave because he was voted in. the majority of the military supported bush and stated that htey would find ways to get out of contracts. Be glad be very glad.

[Equine Adhesive]

Um, yes, there has been discussion of a possible draft. And no, a draft does not mean just troops. There's a lot more to fighting a war than people on the ground.

I'm not contributing to this discussion on a public BB-- no one on here is changing their opinions due to learning something new from another poster, but I commend the ones who've posted without bias and who are truly searching for a better life; some of the ones who've been called names, you deserve it.

[nhwr]

horseless no more,

Bush's own generals believe we are undermanned in Iraq. Where will additional resources come from?

[Release First]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lizathenag:
I want to move to another country. Anyone know how I go about doing that? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Pack your bags and head east, west north or south. Any direction at all will get you to a new country.

[hitchinmygetalong]

http://www.whybush.org/

[subk]

Wow! This thread was getting longer faster than I can read. A few points:

1. Those of you on both sides of the "mulsim profiling" issue should smack yourself. What is being profiled are individuals of middle eastern descent. Many of YOU would be offended to have it assumed you are christian/jewish/wiccan because of your appearance. Profiling works. Talk to a law enforcement officer who has been sent to Quantico to study the processes. And EGS has a very valid point--the acts of international terrorism that have target the U.S. has been committed by young men of middle eastern descent. Quite frankly, I could careless what their religion is.

2. For those of you concerned about the Patriot Act I would encourge you to study the laws on the books concerning enforcement drug laws. I look forward to watching the political fall out in your advocation of lessening the ablities of law enforcement crack down on the drug trade.

3. I'm stunned that Kerry was so politcally inept that he could not capitalize on Bush's weakness. It should have been a cakewalk for him. That he would intentionally focus attention on 3 purple hearts that required not a single day in the hopital tells me he is not and has not surrounded himself with politically compentent people and is not prepared to be the President.

4. The 3 years since 9/11 is the longest we gone without a terrorist attack in decades.

5. 27% of 18-35 year olds voted in 2000. 27% of 18-35 year olds voted in 2004. How many of you fall in that age group?

6. I'm not sure what I find more distasteful. Those that think they should leave the country (like college is some reason you can't?--I'd hate for you to be inconvienced) or citizens of other countries telling me I should be ashamed of my democracy.

[goobs]

Lizathenag - be grateful that you can move to another country any time you want and be grateful you can even SAY things like that.

That is what makes this country so great!

Edited to add - Subk - you go! I agree with all your points. Smartly put!

[silver]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
Funny, PP, that's not what my friend in Ireland said, if that's worth anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ESG I have approximately 50,000 family members in Ireland. I can tell you that the overwhelming attitude towards Bush there is negative.

[FionaJ]

And please go and quit making such a production of it, I mean really, how old are you people? Fine, things didn't go the way I want, so I'm just going to move!

You didn't vote for who I did so that makes you an uninformed, bible thumping, biggoted religious fanatics who "don't believe in science." And that is overall the prevailing attitude of the mass Kerry supporter. Classy.

[BelladonnaLily]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pocket Pony:
NBC news reported that if the international community had a vote, then Kerry would have won by a landslide. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Ah, but thanks to Bush, the "international community" does NOT have a vote here. So many issues I could agree with Dems on but at the top of my list was keeping control of our military in our hands, not the "international community." Someone went to go vomit here...think I'll go join them.

[nhwr]

So much for the vote of an informed populace

[Susan P]

It survived 8 from the previous administration.

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by austin:
Well now we can see if America can survive 4 more years of gross mismanagement. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

[subk]

Oh, I forgot to add how disappointed I am that I won't be entertained by Teresa for the next 4 years!

[mpeylin]

PP - look no further than the corruption in the UN

Fionna - WELL SAID!!

[ESG]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by silver:
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
Funny, PP, that's not what my friend in Ireland said, if that's worth anything. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
ESG I have approximately 50,000 family members in Ireland. I can tell you that the overwhelming attitude towards Bush there is negative. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Hey, I only claimed to talk to one. And my German friends don't really give a rat's patoot. To be honest, many of the Europeans I know just shake their heads when asked their opinon of American politics.

Personally, I like the British answer to campaigning. They have something like two weeks from the time Parliament is dissolved to let folks know they're standing (not running) for office and to campaign. How refreshing that would be! And just think of what the $4 million (or was it billion?) dollars we'd have saved on this campaign alone could have done for social programs, Social Security, and a host of other worthy entities.

[ESG]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by FionaJ:
And please go and quit making such a production of it, I mean really, how old are you people? Fine, things didn't go the way I want, so I'm just going to move!

You didn't vote for who I did so that makes you an uninformed, bible thumping, biggoted religious fanatics who "don't believe in science." And that is overall the prevailing attitude of the mass Kerry supporter. Classy. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

&lt;ESG stands and raises glass of champagne to FionaJ&gt;

BRAVO!