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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by mpeylin:
    Cindeye - i didn't know this, but i did hear a discussion on cnn of all places the other day - kerry didn't support same sex marriage (although he was pretty quiet there) that i did know. I knew bush didn't, but I didn't know that he DID come out and say he supported same-sex unions. That surprised me. If it's true, then both candidates were about the same there. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Bush supported the constitutional amendment to ban same sex marriage.

    Kerry said that it was a state thing, not a federal thing. The federal government should not be involved.

    Kerry didn't support same-sex marriage, but he said it wasn't the responsibility of the federal government to regulate it.

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    • I'd like to get in my 2 cents worth before this is locked. Maybe someone already said this or something similar. I really don't have the time to read through all 11 pages of comments.

      I can imagine that President Bush is going to be beaming that the won the election, probably actually smirking (I can't see him being a gracious winner).

      I'm gonna do this, and I'm gonna to that. Hasn't he already had 4 years to do this and that?

      I just hope he realizes that just about 50% of the voters didn't like him or what he stands for. Just about half the country thinks he is doing a lousy job. and I guess he will think that is something he can be proud of!
      The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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      • SuperSpike - in his taped statement he did.

        I take it for what it's worth and a positive that Americans still voted as the believed and, (I'll admit, someone said this) he had to make his attempt at influencing our election from a cave (or whatever) somewhere, not like in Spain.

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        • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>1. I don't think anything will change with this election - checks and balances <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

          The only checks and balances are from the judicial and the legislative branches. GWB's party controls both these branches, and is going to have at least one Supreme Court appointment soon, and probably 2-3 more during his term.

          I'm still scratching my head about why Democrats lost all the close Senate races, even ones that everyone thought they would win, by very small margins. It happened in 2002 also. But they did.

          So at the moment the only check left is the opinion of the American people. Keep reading the papers. And please, if you see things happening that you think are wrong, please take the time to write letters to the White House, your senators, and your representative. They all have email, and it's easy to do.
          If you are allergic to a thing, it is best not to put that thing in your mouth, particularly if the thing is cats. - Lemony Snicket

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          • Joanne - actually, that's 51 that DID like him - the first majority percentage since 88.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marise:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Karosel:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Marise:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ESG:
              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ailis36:
              Sorry ESG, that kind of BIGOTRY leaves me at a loss for words. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Oh, please again. You've got no right to call me a bigot. You know nothing about me. Mind your manners and contribute to the discussion or belt up. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Hell, ESG, you should have TAUGHT my rhetoric class!

              ahem...carry on.. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Why so she could have taught you to tell people to shut up when you dont agree with what they're saying? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              good rhetoric is about arguing facts with facts, not by including personal digs. She was called a bigot. That was a personal attack, and had nothing to do with the facts of the argument. She said whoever should belt up because they were attacking her personally, and not reasoning out why her facts were wrong.

              Probably more than what you wanted to know. I am an academic geek after all. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              Same here, just the sciences - not the arts

              I do see your point, but I do differ on the opinion of whether or not ailis36 had the basis to call a certain someone a certain something, but this BB is not the place to say it. She should have really kept it to her self.

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              • Superspike, that was another anonymous terrorist. Bin Laden said to get the heck out of the Middle East and leave them alone. he pretty much said whoever was elected, we were in deep doo-doo.
                Don't tell me about what you can't do. That's boring. Show me what you can do. - Mom

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                • I just listened to John Kerry's concession speech on the TV; he was eloquent, gracious, sincere and humble in defeat. I didn't vote for him, but this speech left me with a much better feeling about him than I had before. He stressed how the American people need to put aside their hate and divisions and try to work together for the good of this country.
                  If only the people on this board that are so bitter would listen to the words Sen. Kerry said, but I'm afraid that might be wishful thinking.
                  Let's just go back to talking about horses, shall we?

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                  • poltroon - OK - wrong choice of words. I don't think the american people will stand for a drastic change and I think the justices and legislators - unless they're drastically conservative - will realize this. The leg, after all, have their jobs at stake.

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                    • *cough* *cough* um... Canadian gal chiming in here.

                      I think you guys you should come up and live with us. We don't live in fear, we don't lock our doors when we're home, we don't have to pay a cent when we go to the emergency room, we have no issues with gay men or gay women, they can do as they please and we welcome all races regardless of religion or background.

                      Yes, it's cold, but you have to make concessions in life if you want to live in such a wonderful, open-minded, harmonious place.

                      Look me up if you do decide to come!

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                      • Sigh. LMH, I think I'm going to take you up on that side bet now.
                        model citizen, zero discipline

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                        • As good as our political system is, it must also be blamed for some of the inflamed feelings that people have. Here's an example from my point of view (I'm sure that my counterparts would have ones of their own). I deeply resent being labeled as someone who does not support American troops because I believe that they have been sent into a theater of war in an irresponsible manner. It is my position that the one who doesn't care about them is the guy who didn't plan well enough before sending them in to die. Their lives are too precious to waste in this way. In order to refute my position and get elected, it is important to discredit my position--not to answer it. So the easiest thing is to use some emotionally charged tag and stick it on me. This does nothing but deepen my animosity toward the present administration, especially when I see the tactic work. I can't tell who I resent more--the ones who use this ploy or those who swallow it. Maybe the politicians are thick-skinned enough from a career full of this, and they can shrug it off and go to work the next day. It isn't so easy for a lot of us.

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                          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lianne:
                            *cough* *cough* um... Canadian gal chiming in here.

                            I think you guys you should come up and live with us. We don't live in fear, we don't lock our doors when we're home, we don't have to pay a cent when we go to the emergency room, we have no issues with gay men or gay women, they can do as they please and we welcome all races regardless of religion or background.

                            Yes, it's cold, but you have to make concessions on life if you want to live in such a wonderful, open-minded, harmonious place.

                            Look me up if you do decide to come! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                            What a great post. And Lianne is not lying - we really do live without fear! Imagine that.....

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                            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SuperSpike:
                              Not meaning to start any trouble, but I have a question. Someone told me that bin Landen said that if Bush was re-eleceted that dead bodies would line American streets? Sounds sketchy, but I'm just wondering if anyone else has heard this rumor? <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                              I'd guess that he'd have said the same of Kerry if he'd considered him a threat.

                              No, that's untrue. bin Laden is going to continue to make threat (and attempt to carry them out, I'm sure) no matter who's in the White House.
                              In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                              A life lived by example, done too soon.
                              www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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                              • I agree about his speech. I said way back that I think - politics aside - i liked him.

                                His key problem here was that the dems (and conservatives for that matter ...) are so far divided I think he was stuck trying to appeal to TOO MANY people, and not ever really abot to express his views. S

                                Now I just didn't like Edwards. But just watching Kerry, seemed like a good guy.

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                                • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lianne:
                                  *cough* *cough* um... Canadian gal chiming in here.

                                  I think you guys you should come up and live with us. We don't live in fear, we don't lock our doors when we're home, we don't have to pay a cent when we go to the emergency room, we have no issues with gay men or gay women, they can do as they please and we welcome all races regardless of religion or background.

                                  Yes, it's cold, but you have to make concessions on life if you want to live in such a wonderful, open-minded, harmonious place.

                                  Look me up if you do decide to come! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                  Awesome, Lianne. It may take me a few years, though. I just bought a house, and am in school. Will your offer still stand in, say, 2008?

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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Simkie:
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Lianne:
                                    *cough* *cough* um... Canadian gal chiming in here.

                                    I think you guys you should come up and live with us. We don't live in fear, we don't lock our doors when we're home, we don't have to pay a cent when we go to the emergency room, we have no issues with gay men or gay women, they can do as they please and we welcome all races regardless of religion or background.

                                    Yes, it's cold, but you have to make concessions on life if you want to live in such a wonderful, open-minded, harmonious place.

                                    Look me up if you do decide to come! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Awesome, Lianne. It may take me a few years, though. I just bought a house, and am in school. Will your offer still stand in, say, 2008?

                                    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Mais oui! But of course, chérie!

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                                    • [QUOTE]BC, I have to agree with LMH - after reading all of the political threads, I have not been convinced that any of the people posing the question are genuinely interested in considering why others might vote for Bush.

                                      And for all who supported Kerry simply because he was not Bush, consider this - I know Democrats who supported Bush because they didn't consider_Kerry_ to be a viable option. [QUOTE]

                                      I understand. It's hard to have a productive discussion - there's so much at stake on both "sides." As for rhetoric - I have a masters in sociolinguistics (despite my less than stellar spelling) and for the most part, I've seen some good arguments here. Staying away from the personal attacks is key. I hope we can raise level of respect slightly on this BB - as well as throw out a "thanks" to the mods for letting it continue.

                                      I AM interested in why people voted for Bush. I am one of the Kerry, oh he'll do, voters. I HAVE voted Republican before but it wasn't something I could live with this time. I think perhaps I am less worried about W the leader than I am about his hawkish administration and what I believe to be inevitable changes in the laws governing a woman's body. That said, I'm still hopeful however that the country will readjust quickly to the unchangeable facts - W is here to stay. We need to reaffirm our love of this country regardless of who's at the helm. Moving on is a good thing in this case.
                                      *Faune D'Helby*

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                                      • Yeah, mpyelin, what a landslide victory @ 51%!
                                        The virtual "woodshed" seems the only remedy for willful fools .

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                                        • That 51% got the job done, though, didn't it?
                                          In loving memory of Laura Jahnke.
                                          A life lived by example, done too soon.
                                          www.caringbridge.org/page/laurajahnke/

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