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  • #41
    One -I wouldn't say a d*** thing. and here's my reasons.]
    If my vet told me I was too fat to ride my horse.. I'd be unwilling to take what he said to heart as well. Funny, no one so far on this thread has mentioned this. Does no one think.hmm..any vet who says that is rude as all get out to begin with?

    Ok the horse has hock issues -she's an unbalanced rider -that I'll accept at face value. Hoe about helping her become balanced? Rather then making her feel like a pile of horse puckies>? Going off on some chick who isn't the 'ideal' size, isn't helpful one single whit. (This coming from somone who isn't a perfect size 4 no more, I have children , I earned my spare tire thank you )

    Regardless of whether or not this person is a 'friend' in my opinion, gives you no more/or less right to say something hurtful. We all rave about how much we care for and respect our horses, maybe some of us should trying applying that to people too.
    Ive been on this forum a short time, I have to honestly say, I think Im leaving it . The constant 'sticking your nose into another boarder's horse's issues, with judgemental crapitude, rather then actual aid, is sickening. This is why horse people have a bad name in my opinion. And at this particular moment, makes me seriously ashamed to be a part of said population.

    Rant off. Carry on/.
    Originally posted by ExJumper
    Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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    • #42
      Mzpeeps...maybe you are right.
      I guess I am an unintelligent person just because I did not suggest she get another horse...oh well, we all have alternative ways of going about things. Just because I suggested one thing, does not mean I would do it. Obviously, the poster is concerned about the horse, or she would not have even about the issue in the first place. And yeah, I dont think someone 300lbs should be on a horse...i am sorry. if it is a big horse, sure, but a quarter horse? I dont even thing the general horse population would disagree. I am not insensitive, I am practical.
      "Lose your temper, lose your horse" -someone wise enough to know better than to pick a fight with a 1200 lb animal that could launch you to the moon.

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      • #43
        Wow. Nice new digs. I have no idea how to operate this BB. Hope I'm not responding to a post about rollkur or something.

        No Briggsie - you were not the person I was upset with. Actually - I wasn't really upset with anyone except for that one person who just seems to get my goat. That is completely my fault. Blanket apology - mea maxima culpa.

        If I had a dollar for every person who told me to get rid of my horse for one reason or another, or had oodles to say about my riding - I'd be a very very wealthy woman. And from what I can tell from a recent thread in the eventing forum - this alarming tendency for railside hen parties has developed into an artform. None of us are going to the Olympics anytime soon, and neither are our horses. How about we just give them a big smooch and saddle up and ride?
        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
        -Rudyard Kipling

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        • #44
          MYOB crowd

          Originally posted by Briggsie
          yeah, i would. Maybe it will humble her or him into not wanting to ride, because they will be too ashamed. Not like that would be my goal, but at that point, i think it is animal cruelty. So yeah, if the horse is incapable to bear weight, and the person knows it.....I would say something. I would say it nicely, like, "you know, maybe you really should not ride your horse because he has a problem bearing weight. He just looks so sore when you get done"
          If he can't handle a 300 pound person on a few trail rides a week because his hocks are bad, then the horse can't handle a 200 pound man, or a 150 pound woman either! The horse's health issue is the problem not mean-spirited nastiness about the owner's weight. We need to give her a break! Personally, I would not be too impressed with the vet either!! Who is he/she to tell other people at the barn he/she said the owner is too fat and the horse's hocks are bad so she should not ride her? Was she too fat to write that vet a check?

          If you can't say something nice (or help), then I am off the firm believe you shouldn't say anything.

          ps edited to say I just pulled an example of one of the quotes and YOU doesn't refer to the quote's author but you as in all of us.

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          • #45
            Originally posted by J Swan
            None of us are going to the Olympics anytime soon, and neither are our horses.
            Hot damn--somebody else who gets it!! I have longed to shout this sentiment many times, so thank you for it.
            "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
            **CEO of the TQ "Learn How To Ride or MOVE OVER!!" Clique**

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            • #46
              "If he can't handle a 300 pound person on a few trail rides a week because his hocks are bad, then the horse can't handle a 200 pound man, or a 150 pound woman either! "

              Okay, we need to remeber that the VET is a vet- he is an expert! Who are any of us on this board to say that the horse can handle the weight if the vet said he couldn't?

              I am sorry, but this is just plain silly to be so sensitive about this. The woman is damaging not only her horse but her OWN health. When you say "oh so she's not a size four leave her alone", don't forget we are talking 300 lbs here, not 170 or something. This woman's own health is in danger! And I think that she should listen to her vet. He is not being insensitive, would you consider a Dr. being insensitive when he tells his patients to loose weight? I hope not. Type 2 diabetes kills millions of americans each year. This has nothing to do with beauty or the fact that society expects too much. This woman's health is in danger, so is her horse's.

              I think you should say something. Perhaps offer to work out with her, or help her loose weight somehow. Approach her honestly and with her health in mind, maybe that could help?

              If this is not a good idea, how about casually mentioning something when you see her tacking up? Like " I thought the vet said he was too lame to ride?" and see what she says? She could use this as the motivation she needs to improve her health. She could learn to line drive him while she loses the weight.

              As a last resort, if you know the vet well you could call him and ask him to speak with her again, illustrating just what kind of damage she could do to her horse, again not getting personal, just giving facts about how the extra weight is affecting her horse, and what it will eventually do to his hocks.

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              • #47
                Nibs -

                Betcha ten bucks if I saw you ride I could tear you apart until you cried like a baby. Same with probably every single person on this BB; including me.

                The OP has gotten into the habit of starting threads, posing loaded questions, getting everyone riled up, and then sitting back and watching; typing in some goading posts when things get dull. A couple of days ago it was EPSM, now it's this. Don't feed the troll.
                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                -Rudyard Kipling

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                • #48
                  JSwan do you know this person? I'm asking because you are being so very defensive of her.
                  The OP has been posting on forums for a while. You might not like her, she might annoy you for whatever reason but she's most certainly not a troll.
                  Let's look at things with some perspective here.

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                  • #49
                    I think we all know a person like this "friend" BTR refers to. Some of them post on this BB. Others lurk.

                    No, I do not know this individual personally.
                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                    • #50
                      Yes we most certainly all know someone along those lines.
                      The more the reason for giving BTR the benefit of the doubt.
                      The original question struck me not as inflammatory but as dictated by genuine concern for a horse. I think at some point we all are guilty of posting questions like that if nothing because we need validation.

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                        #51
                        JSwan - I don't even know who you are so how can you know the person I'm speaking of? Do you feel addressed because you are in a similar situation???

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                        • #52
                          It is none of your business to tell the rider anything about her weight, to do so would be quite abusive. Keep your thoughts to yourself.

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                            #53
                            What about the pain and discomfort of the horse - would that not be abuse also?

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                            • #54
                              Beast of burden, my dear. Beast of burden.
                              RIP Bo, the real Appassionato
                              5/5/84-7/12/08

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                              • #55
                                Originally posted by BornToRide
                                Imagine you know someone who's not really a close friend and whose horse has some hock issues. The horse is mostly trail ridden and the vet has suggested to the owner not to ride the horse because this person weighs close to 300 lbs. Rider is also not very balanced.

                                Would you say something to the person about it?
                                It depends upon whether a horse person observing this woman riding would consider that the horse is truly suffering.

                                If the horse is truly suffering, than video her the next time she rides and take the tape to you local ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICER, and explain to them that this person is riding this horse against the advice of a veterinarian and is being cruel to an animal. If she is indeed being cruel to the horse, an officer will probably want to stop by the barn to have a talk with her. If she doesn't get the message after that, they can arrest her if need be.

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                                  #56
                                  Hmmm, videotaping and letting her look at it might be enough to get through to her...........

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                                  • #57
                                    weepin jesus on the cross - yep - get animal control out. Arrest that woman! Be an ACO for a day and see real abuse. This isn't abuse. Abuse is a Golden Retriever who has has lighter fluid poured on him and then set on fire. A bad owner is one who takes their dog to the shelter because it "no longer matches the interior of their Corvette". Heck - several people on this BB work in horse rescues. Ask them if this is abuse. They'll show you abuse. This is the type of crap that wastes ACO's time and distracts them from uncovering the real horrors that exist.

                                    BornToRide - I already said I didn't know this person. And no I'm not in the same situation. But the world is a very small place - and chances are other people do know your friend. Or people who lurk on this BB know you. So now you're going to videotape this person? Isn't that a little sick?
                                    Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                    Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                    -Rudyard Kipling

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                                    • Original Poster

                                      #58
                                      So how can you know who I am talking about - I still don't understand why you even posted that....??

                                      Abuse is anyone knowingly causing pain to another being. It's really that simple. Ignoring it makes one an accomplice.

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                                      • #59
                                        Because you started a thread and asked people's opinions. I think the consensus is to mind your own business.
                                        Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                        Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                        -Rudyard Kipling

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                                        • #60
                                          I can't imagine that anyone who weighs 300 pounds ought to be riding any horse.At that weight you certainly can not balence properly,or engage in any sort of real athletic activity.I don't know why someone that heavy would imagine riding to be a good idea.Certainly the horse shouldn't have to cart around the weight that you ,undoubtably have trouble carting around yourself.Riding Is an athletic activity,if done above the walk.Even at the walk ,if you want to have any security in the saddle to save yourself a fall if the horse should spook or stumble,you have to have some level of pyhsical fitness.I don't know the math,but if a 300 pound person falls off a 16 hand horse evan at the walk ,they are falling with a pretty good thud to a sudden stop from a height of 6 feet.Ouch.At a trot ,double ouch.At a canter,major ,bone crunching ouch.Not to mention ,how in the world does a 300 pound person manage to mount a horse?
                                          There are many very good riders who are 20 or 30 pounds over weight,but they would probably be better riders if they did not carry the extra weight.It just makes it much harder for you to carry yourself ,maintain your balence ,and move with the horse.
                                          I have had people who were obese come to me for lessons,but very few of them stuck with it for very long ,once they realized what a workout it is ,and how difficult it is to stay balenced,particularly if you are a beginner. No way would I accept someone 300 pounds as a student.It is way too nervewracking,and I feel really bad for the horse.

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