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What makes a 'time waster' in regard to buying?

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  • #21
    Of the horses I've owned I've only sold one "publicly" as in, marketed on internet etc.

    I had one woman call me 3x, talked extensively each time, by the 3rd call it seemed very clear she was NOT a match for the horses. Insisted on coming to see him anyway. Rescheduled 2x. On the night she was supposed to come, showed up 2 hours late, with her "daughter."

    Has me longe and ride horse for her. Then her daughter gets on. Then she wants to get on... and as she is mounting she informs me she has not ridden since she was bucked off 6 months prior.

    As she is riding (if you could call it that) her "daughter" seems puzzled that we are referring to the woman as her "mom" and it turns out this kid is NOT her daughter, but someone who boards with her. WTF?

    After attempting to get the horse to trot for oh, 10 minutes, he finally breaks into a little western jog and the woman screams "OMG HE IS GOING TOO FAST!" Immediately dismounts.

    Then tells me "well... he's nice... but... not what I need..."

    CLEARLY!!!!!!! I told you that before you came. The horse was a saint, the woman was crazy, and I never would have sold her the horse anyway after all of that...

    So that is my story of a tire-kicker. I had SEVERAL whilst marketing this particular horse, it was insane. On the flip side, I've dealt with plenty of crazy sellers over the years too.

    Sorry if I sound bitter.
    We couldn't all be cowboys, so some of us are clowns.

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    • #22
      The no-shows are my biggest pet peeve.

      Sometimes I wonder, with the ones who come up with excuses that seem ridiculous, if that is exactly what they are: excuses. I would much prefer that the person say "we don't click" or even "I don't like him/her", rather than concocting something like too tall/too short/too green. And it would paint the prospective buyer in a better light too, since my ad would have said just how tall, short or green the horse is!

      Same with "I'm not ready to buy" -- is that secret code for "I don't want to buy your horse"? Just come out and say it already! I can totally understand not liking a horse even if the creds sounded perfect.
      Shall I tell you what I find beautiful about you? You are at your very best when things are worst.
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      • #23
        Originally posted by JoZ View Post
        The no-shows are my biggest pet peeve.

        Sometimes I wonder, with the ones who come up with excuses that seem ridiculous, if that is exactly what they are: excuses. I would much prefer that the person say "we don't click" or even "I don't like him/her", rather than concocting something like too tall/too short/too green. And it would paint the prospective buyer in a better light too, since my ad would have said just how tall, short or green the horse is!

        Same with "I'm not ready to buy" -- is that secret code for "I don't want to buy your horse"? Just come out and say it already! I can totally understand not liking a horse even if the creds sounded perfect.
        That's what I was wondering. I think it's hard to tell people that you like their horse, but don't want to buy them- so I wonder if people come up with these excuses thinking they save feelings?

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        • #24
          Around here we call them "tire kickers."

          You know, the type that go to a Porsche dealer and want to test drive a car that they could never buy.....


          And where horses are concerned, it may not be just about money. I love the ones that say, "I realize that you said that he would not be appropriate for a beginner, but ....." That's a time waster, tire kicker, whatever.

          Why do these people call on the horse when it is completely inappropriate? It costs them nothing, they have time on their hands and they don't mind wasting yours.
          "Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain" ~Friedrich Schiller

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          • #25
            Time Waster "En Memorium"

            This FUNNY ONE only wasted a few minutes of my time the first time around...

            A lady in Chicago was to mail me a DVD of her "schooling Second" gelding. What I got in the mail was a DVD of the memorial photo collage presentation from her mother's funeral!

            The second time around wasted 5 minutes...
            The second DVD I got from her was her horse trotting around off the bit with the only lateral work being a few shallow leg yields falling over the outside shoulder. Not even something I'd show at Training level!

            If a seller says a horse is going a certain level, SHOW OFF the movements from that level!!!

            On another horse I requested a video of...DITTO! I'm not going to travel to see a horse if what I see isn't up to the description. On this horse, I explained that I needed to see the horse do some lateral work, transitions between and within the gaits, etc. before I would travel to see it.

            So sellers: Learn how to show off your horse in the videos. Show the highest capabilities of the horse AND do it in clean tack (dusty boots and dogs running across the arena are a distraction). If your video does show the highest capabilities of the horse, make sure your description fits the actual capabilities.

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            • #26
              Buyer "wasted" three months

              Since I just bought a horse, I thought I'd share how I "wasted" the owner's time.

              Late August: Ride the horse for the first time. <=complete lack of dressage training but thought there could be potential.

              WHOLE month of Sept: Owner says she doesn't have any time for the horse. Let's me ride it exclusively for the entire month. I spend $250 in one month in lessons and clinics. Shows potential and fast progress.

              Oct-Dec: Partial lease agreement with the owner with first right of refusal for me. I put in another $300 in lessons and clinics PLUS schooling and recognized dressage shows ($600).

              Dec. 1: I purchase her.

              The horse wasn't being marketed publicly and the owner knew I was putting some serious training into a horse she had no time for. I wouldn't have bought that horse if I had only three rides on her. But now she's mine and scored a 69% at First 4 at the end of last season when I couldn't get her to canter on contact in August.

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              • #27
                it goes both ways.

                The seller oosts pics and a short video u/s on line...hard to talk to on the phone so we say eh, go anywaay...he proceeds to drag a filthy dirty mare out of an abomination of a barn (I'm pretty reasonable on barns, this was a sad, dangerous old heap in need of a dozer and a burn pile). The mare has mud caked on up to her fetlocks. Ask him to hose them off- aye aye aye she stood there on three points per forefoof- her toe, and her heel bulbs. The walls were crinkled and screwy and retracted from toe to heel, literally there was daylight under there. I say what's the deal with her feet? rattle rattle hum hum you don't know what you're talking about. FF to him tacking her up, offering her to me- uh, no, you get on her first. It was touch and go whether she was going to allow that, then he's up- and she froze up. Didn't know whether to take cover or laugh. She flips it in reverse, he flops off- and HANDS ME THE REINS !!!! LOL OMGiH....I said uh no thanks, appreciate your time. We were looking for kid broke and she ain't it.

                as a buyer- be very clear what you want! I should have emailed or faxed him a clear list of Q&A , filling out what I knew of the mare, and room for him to fill out unknowns. If you can't get answers, just, oh, come see her, she's perfect! beware sure some peeps just can't talk well or write it up, and the horse is a jewel, but boy it's a rare jewel!

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                • #28
                  To me a time waster is:
                  • a no show & no phone call--that's just rude
                  • somebody who can't afford the sale price
                  • a person just looking for free horse rides
                  What the OP did (2 rides & a "no thank you") would be perfectly acceptable to me as a seller. Disappointing-yes probably. But nothing wrong with it. It's not like the OP tried the horse, took it home for a week on trial, pondered it, vetted the horse, hemmed & hawed some more and then said "nah".
                  "I'm not crazy...my mother had me tested"

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                  • #29
                    Time wasters are people who have no intention of buying your horse. They like to surf the web looking at sale ads and have no intention of ever coming to see your horse even after you've anwsered several/many of their emails.

                    Or the people that make an appointment and never show.

                    Or this is before youtube but the video tape collecter people. Can we see a video, you send it out and never here from them again.

                    People who do show up for the appointment only to take a joy ride on your horse.
                    I want to be like Barbie because that bitch has everything!

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by Anselcat View Post
                      Someone who is "thinking about buying a horse" is a time waster.
                      Someone who has decided to buy a horse, and is thinking about buying yours based on what you've advertised ... not a time waster.
                      Ringadingading - and the prize goes to Anselcat!!!!!

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                      • #31
                        But how many people who are THINKING about riding a horse find a horse online they love, go look and buy?

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                        • #32
                          Here's a good one:
                          I had a recent rescue that was a totally broke, kid-safe, teenaged trail horse around 15hh. Wasn't going to be for sale until I'd put some weight on him and gotten him more fit, but a family called me (they'd found my farm ad in the yellow pages) and said they were shopping for a totally broke, kid-safe teenaged trail horse around 15 hands. I told them I had a horse that sounded exactly like what they were looking for - I hadn't advertised him yet because I wanted to get him fatter and fitter first, but they were welcome to come see him in a few weeks. They told me that they loved the idea of getting a rescue horse, and they wanted to come see him right away.

                          The family came out that same day, and oohed and ah-ed over him, the dad rode him, the mom rode him, the kid rode him (I made sure they went light as he wasn't that fit, and eventually I had to tell them that he'd had enough riding for the day). I was sure it was a done deal at this point, when they went off for a few minutes to have a "family conference". They came back and told me "We're going to pass, he's too skinny." Well, duh. I told you that on the phone. You could tell that when you first saw him, did you really need to all three ride him? And you want a rescue horse but he has to be fat already? The horse ended up being an easy sale to another family, but the first family was a huge time waster!

                          I guess what I would define as a time waster is this: a buyer who has been informed that the horse is skinny and then turns down the horse because it is skinny. Or substitute for the word skinny: mare, green, 5 years old, 20 years old, 16 hands, etc. Stated clearly in the ad or on the phone. And then the horse is turned down because of that. The horse that was a mare in the ad isn't going to magically change into a gelding after you, your husband, your kid, your trainer and your grandmother have ridden it.
                          Last edited by Vandy; Jan. 22, 2009, 10:49 PM.
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                          • #33
                            Thankfully I haven't had too much experience with time wasters but here's one story. I was once selling a young gelding. Two years later I was riding a friend's horse at another barn. I met this woman who had nice semi-retired horse. We started talking and she tells me how she's looking for a nice young gelding, she saw one at a show the other day she's going to give them a call etc. After our rides she asked me where I usually ride, I answer and then she tells me she once tried out a nice young gelding at that barn. She never recognized me, I had sold the horse long ago and didn't remember her until she mentioned trying my horse. This is what I classify as a time waster. It was over two years since she tried my horse, imagine how many people she had called and how many horses she tried! She seemed well off and treated her semi-retired horse very well, I imagine many seller were disappointed.

                            However, some day soon I'll be out shopping and I dread being on the other side just as much. I would hate to be treated as a time waster as the OP experienced just because I tried a horse twice and didn't buy it. My plan is to shop in secret, go to shows and meet people so that when I actually want to try a horse I've seen him/her go a few times already.

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                            • #34
                              Once I called a guy about a house (not horse) he had for sale FSBO. When I asked if I could come out and see it, he right away started telling me how difficult it was for him to get off work, how much trouble it was, how busy he was, and how hard it would be for him. He concluded by asking me if I was sure I wanted the house because he didn't want to show it to me if I weren't.

                              I told him I *would* want it if it were just right for me.

                              He did show me the house. The whole time I was with him, he was telling me what a rip off real estate agents are, how they wanted a slice of his pie for nothing.

                              He had acreage, and a horse had lived there once; but it was obvious no horse would ever live there again. (The city had moved in all around him.)

                              I didn't buy his house.

                              I'm sure he thought I wasted his time.
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