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When trainers at a show get rewarded for being sore losers/poor sports.... SMH

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    #41
    Originally posted by analise View Post
    I don't know about "official" hunter shows, but I've been to multiple hunter/jumper schooling shows that allowed mules. Never did see an accident because there was a mule around.
    Mules cannot participate in USEF recognized H/J shows but they can compete in endurance and driving.

    They used to be able to compete in eventing, until a mule started cleaning up, people complained and they were banned. I sense a pattern here...

    Mules can out jump horses and let's face it, despite how smart and amazing they are, many people have and will continue to have prejudice toward them. I think it's mostly because they can't handle placing lower than a mule!

    None of the open or schooling shows around me have a ban against mules, and I work extra hard to ensure my mule is a model citizen because I know we will always be scrutinized.

    Oh well, anyone who complains about them doesn't deserve to have one anyway!

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    • #42
      We run our dressage schooling shows under USEF rules, but that doesn't mean we HAVE to. It's a choice we made because it's really convenient to have a higher ruling body than 'because we say so." My issue with the whole thing, though, is that if we make a mistake, we have to live with it for the duration of the series (barring a really SERIOUS safety risk, which I wouldn't consider this to be). So my issue with the whole thing is the comeback of "we checked the rules and discovered that it's not allowed." Should have done that before you allowed it because then the points are scrambled.

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      • #43
        Originally posted by Gestalt View Post
        This reminds me of the reverse discrimination. Mules can compete at horse shows but horses can't compete at mule shows.

        In Josh's post he mentioned that mules are not allowed in hunter shows. People have attacked his comment regarding dressage shows but so far I haven't seen anything anything rebutting (is that a word?) the hunter shows.

        For what it's worth I have been in open shows with mules, my horse was fine until one started braying. That is one ugly sound, I never managed to get 100% of his attention back.
        I guess I don't see what you are getting at? Should a QH be allowed to show at a registered Halflinger show?

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        • #44
          Originally posted by jenm View Post
          Mules cannot participate in USEF recognized H/J shows but they can compete in endurance and driving.

          They used to be able to compete in eventing, until a mule started cleaning up, people complained and they were banned. I sense a pattern here...

          Mules can out jump horses and let's face it, despite how smart and amazing they are, many people have and will continue to have prejudice toward them. I think it's mostly because they can't handle placing lower than a mule!

          None of the open or schooling shows around me have a ban against mules, and I work extra hard to ensure my mule is a model citizen because I know we will always be scrutinized.

          Oh well, anyone who complains about them doesn't deserve to have one anyway!

          OP, I completely agree with everything you have said.


          On a related note, I think the people who run that farm are crazy. I contacted them to let them know that I was very dismayed about the decision and that I hoped they would make the situation right with the young girl, step up to the plate, and allow her to continue with the rest of the series.

          I got a very long email from the wife who runs the place, a major sob story about how experienced they are, how hard they have worked, how much they have suffered in their lives, including the husbands problems with PTSD, etc. Apparently this was an email sent out to quite a few people.

          I offered some suggestions on how to turn the situation around and make it right and this is the response I received:

          "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."


          I merely stated an opinion and dismay about the decision and that I hope they would retract it. A response such as I received tells me that place is run by people who are either crazy or drunk. Good business people don't respond that way, even when the topic is a controversial one.

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            #45
            Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
            I offered some suggestions on how to turn the situation around and make it right and this is the response I received:

            "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."
            Holy Cow!!

            That is really eye opening and I'm glad you shared their response. When I first read your post I thought you were going to say they have carefully thought about it and realized they made a mistake and the mule was welcome at their facility at any time.

            Way to go, people of Hidden Lake Farms. You have certainly made a name for yourselves!
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            • #46
              Originally posted by jenm View Post
              Holy Cow!!

              That is really eye opening and I'm glad you shared their response. When I first read your post I thought you were going to say they have carefully thought about it and realized they made a mistake and the mule was welcome at their facility at any time.

              Way to go, people of Hidden Lake Farms. You have certainly made a name for yourselves!
              yup. I don't think crazy can be changed.

              The best we can do is help the girl find another venue to show at that will accept her well behaved mule.

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              • #47
                Well they may be getting inundated with comments from many people who seem like they are ganging up on them. Bit a simple. "Thank you. We are working on a solution." would seem to be a better answer .

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by roseymare View Post
                  Well they may be getting inundated with comments from many people who seem like they are ganging up on them. Bit a simple. "Thank you. We are working on a solution." would seem to be a better answer .
                  IMHO one of the most important things anyone can do if they run a business is to learn how to do damage control. These people clearly don't know how to do that.

                  Plenty of people in the public eye have made mistakes, have owned it, and come out the better for it. These folks would do well to keep that in mind.

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                  • #49
                    Originally posted by roseymare View Post
                    I guess I don't see what you are getting at? Should a QH be allowed to show at a registered Halflinger show?
                    Well apparently there were some QHs that cleaned up in Arabian shows.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                      IMHO one of the most important things anyone can do if they run a business is to learn how to do damage control. These people clearly don't know how to do that.
                      Sure they do! Go back and read the comment quoting Josh Mims!!
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                      • #51
                        Originally posted by yaya View Post
                        Well apparently there were some QHs that cleaned up in Arabian shows.
                        I want you to know that I am currently eating a salad as was quite concerned that I might snort out a crouton !

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                        • #52
                          Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                          IMHO one of the most important things anyone can do if they run a business is to learn how to do damage control. These people clearly don't know how to do that.

                          Plenty of people in the public eye have made mistakes, have owned it, and come out the better for it. These folks would do well to keep that in mind.
                          And some just spin it and come out alright. I just don't understand why one would answer so rudely!

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                          • #53
                            This is why I am ashamed to admit I am from Texas whenever I attend a show anywhere else in the country. The trainers and show management in Texas are the most immature, petty, political, hateful, unsportsmanlike group in America. I apologize to the real horsemen in the state because there definitely are some, but they are sadly outnumbered.

                            The first time I went to the East Coast I was amazed at how much friendlier the show environments were. People were actually willing to help one another out, and the warmup rings were considerably safer to ride in. While every region has their issues and nowhere is perfect, the people I have met from back east are a much more considerate group as a whole, in my experience.

                            Mule/horse/pony/whatever, the show management let their true colors show and proved they have NO integrity and their word is means nothing.

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                            • #54
                              Do we know that the girl here borrowed/leased the mule for the entire show series? Maybe this is the proverbial tempest in a teapot and it is a temporary situation that will resolve anyway when her horse comes back or she finds another ride?

                              Really don't know all the details about that arrangement.

                              But, gotta say, I don't care how many gates that guy has worked, he's full of crap saying mules are banned because they scare the other horses and bray, ever show at a fair? Part of the horse show deal is to expect distraction from things you can no way school for at home, one AA show had llamas and a bison right by one of the paths to a schooling ring, belonged to the property owner, you dealt with it.

                              No mules at a USEF show because they decided long ago that it's a horse show and it's not a horse. Schooling shows may set their own rules but if they do, they need to print it out on the prize list and stick with them.

                              I lived in Texas almost 10 years, never saw a mule except in harness at a stock show (stabled 50 yards from our QHs, incident free). Lived in Cali before that, not that unusual and some shows allowed them, some did not, they had their own Mule Shows and a big Mule festival. It was not that big a deal whether allowed or not, just was specified in the rules and they stuck to what they said.
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                              • #55
                                I'm a dressage trainer and have shown at several USEF shows along side mules. All of the contrived complaints that people have about the possibility of safety problems are just smoke screens. This is snootyness, pure and simple.

                                Yes, some horses are distracted by mules...for a while. They are also distracted by stallions screaming their fool heads off, getting loose and running around the grounds, yet no one contemplates banning stallions. There are a million potentially dangerous distractions at shows...dogs and children on leashes (or not), baby carriages, umbrellas, bicycles, unhinged young horses, flapping tents that "may" fall over during your test or round, screaming people... and SHOW HORSES get over them.

                                If the scaredy-cat DQ's can survive the experience of their import losing to a mule, then I think the hunter riders can...if you don't want to lose to the mule next time, ride better. If you aren't losing to the mule, then what is your beef?

                                If some one is dozing at the in gate, then there are many scarier things at a show than a mule that can ignite the horse under them.
                                Last edited by arlosmine; Apr. 25, 2015, 11:35 AM.

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                                • #56
                                  Originally posted by candyappy View Post
                                  Happens more than you think. Some who are showing even claim that the mules presence causes their horses to do badly. Mules certainly get a bad deal. I hope that they can find a show that accepts them happily.
                                  I took Evil Burrito to a schooling show. A couple horses gave him the hairy eyeball and moved on, one horse freaked out completely and was charging towards him, and I did hear some snide little comments... All in all he was well-received, but yes, people will use any excuse to blame someone else.

                                  I took a green stallion to a schooling show 11 years ago. He was actually quite good during the showing part of things, but I left him on the trailer for a bit. A lady who I now know and am not surprised, but was surprised then, approached me and told me that my stallion neighing in the trailer had her gelding upset and would I be leaving SOON?! It's a schooling show, he's neighing from the other side of the barn from the arena... really? My face said it all, I'm sure.
                                  Last edited by TheJenners; Apr. 24, 2015, 09:03 PM. Reason: typos...
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                                  • #57
                                    Originally posted by jenm View Post
                                    I'm still trying to wrap my head around this one, but all I can really say is WTF?!

                                    A 12 year old girl recently competed in the first show in a series of schooling shows. Hew own pony was not quite ready for the show ring so she borrowed a mule from a therapeutic program. It was the first show for them as a team and the first H/J for the mule.

                                    Prior to the show, the girls mom sent an email to the show organizers asking them if it was okay for them to show a mule and she was told it would be totally fine, the judge said there would be no issues with showing and they would be delighted to have the pair show.

                                    Fast forward to the show last weekend, and said mule and girl proceed to clean up in the show ring, earning 5 blues, 1 red, 1 yellow and two tri-colors. Mind you, not once during the whole show did anyone question the fact a mule was there. The photo of the girl with the mule is super cute and it's a nice looking mule:



                                    You can imagine the elation the girl must have felt after doing so well on a borrowed mount, and she was looking forward to completing the three show series with the mule.

                                    Fast forward to a couple of days after the show, and the girls mom receives an email which basically said "We enjoyed having your daughter and mule here, the mule was well behaved and caused no problems. However..." Here's where it gets good.

                                    The rest of the email went on to say several trainers contacted the show organizers and said it was against USEF rules to have a mule at the show and the mule shouldn't be allowed to compete there anymore. (Does anyone really believe the trainers would have done that if the mule had not pinned as well?)

                                    So, the show organizers politely told the girls mom that her daughter and the mule would no longer be allowed to enter shows at this facility. Huh?! I wish I had thought to copy the email as it was a lovely example of passive aggressive communication.

                                    So, yeah. Apparently it was perfectly fine to have a mule at the show until the mule started beating all the other little girls on their cute ponies and fancy warmbloods.

                                    A petition asking the barn to allow the mule back gained 1600 signatures in less than a day. The petition has since been taken down but the comments are still there. I can only imagine the heat the show organizers must have taken, but quite honestly, they deserved it.

                                    https://www.change.org/p/hidden-lake...ion-reason_msg

                                    This was a schooling show, a schooling show!!

                                    I don't know who's worse, the trainers who complained or the show organizers for bowing down and letting them have their way.

                                    So much for perpetuating good sportsmanship in the town of Bartonville, Texas!
                                    If it is a schooling show, and not a USEF Licensed competition, then the show management/organizers CANNOT cite USEF rules as USEF has no, zero jurisdiction over non-USEF sanctioned or licensed competitions. So there spoiled trainers. Would they have said the same thing if it was one of their ponies who cleaned up? Nope. Perhaps they should question why the judge pinned the mule over their riders to find out what the mule had over their show ponies.

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                                    • #58
                                      I think the best form of "revenge" (for lack of a better word) is when the girl's pony is ready to compete and she cleans up again on her pony. Wonder what will be wrong then - color? size? hairbow?

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                                      • #59
                                        I believe this was eq, and the mule was actually not judged. So this was all on an awesome little rider . Good for her, and I hope she can stay positive about it and not get wrapped up in the adults' drama.
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                                        • #60
                                          There was a mule showing at one of the indoor shows at Spruce Meadows and nobody had any problems or issues with it. We all just thought it was super cute, had huge ears, jumped amazing and maybe we should buy one!! LOL

                                          I so hope we see it again this year
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