• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Your forum sign-up is not complete, you must add an Alias/Screen Name before you can post to the forums. Your name and email is not exposed to Forum users, only the Screen Name is accessible or viewable. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.
    Complete Profile
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.
    Complete Profile

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 2/8/18)
See more
See less

When trainers at a show get rewarded for being sore losers/poor sports.... SMH

Collapse
X
Collapse
  • Page of 13
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
Previous 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next
  • #201
    Originally posted by Midge View Post
    I do not, of course. But it was donated to a program who's purpose is to give the disabled an opportunity to ride. Is this child disabled?
    Are you using a lay person's gut-feeling belief of what you think not-for-profit law is to analyze this situation on the internet?

    Because you're barking up the wrong tree here.
    The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
    Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
    Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
    The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

    Comment

    • #202
      Originally posted by meupatdoes View Post
      Are you using a lay person's gut-feeling belief of what you think not-for-profit law is to analyze this situation on the internet?

      Because you're barking up the wrong tree here.
      barking or braying?

      sorry, I couldn't help myself.

      Comment

      • #203
        Originally posted by Midge View Post
        I do not, of course. But it was donated to a program who's purpose is to give the disabled an opportunity to ride. Is this child disabled?
        And again people have pointed out different programs have different rules. The one at our barn leased suitable horses out to non-disabled riders. A barn I rode at in college and where I volunteered with another therapeutic program used the same horses for regular lessons and the therapy rides.
        Author Page
        Like Omens In the Night on Facebook
        Steampunk Sweethearts

        Comment

        • #204
          Originally posted by danceronice View Post
          And again people have pointed out different programs have different rules. The one at our barn leased suitable horses out to non-disabled riders. A barn I rode at in college and where I volunteered with another therapeutic program used the same horses for regular lessons and the therapy rides.
          It is not unusual for horses to be able to carry a wide range of riders. Aren't there stories about Snowman doing everything from lead line to Grand Prix at the same show?

          Comment

          • #205
            Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
            It is not unusual for horses to be able to carry a wide range of riders. Aren't there stories about Snowman doing everything from lead line to Grand Prix at the same show?
            Yep. And since we've had someone come and say the mule belongs to a private owner who loans it out and they were fine, obviously no poor disabled children were being deprived.

            Nice to see people on here who know the place are voting with their wallet!
            Author Page
            Like Omens In the Night on Facebook
            Steampunk Sweethearts

            Comment

            • #206
              I think it would help if those of you voting with your wallet dropped the farm a line to say why.
              Having been on committees organising shows, I have found we often have to guess why one show is more popular than another.

              Comment

              • #207
                My first horse was a QH that was terrified of cows... Made showing during 4-H fair week super interesting. The next horse was a TB gelding I discovered was terrified of ponies in the middle of a children's HUS class. Almost 2 decades later current horse is terrified of her Appy barnmate. My point is horses will always find something to be horrified of, mule or not.

                Now what I really want to know is who in the area owns a fancy pants pony they can loan this kiddo, so she can go kick some more butt and the spoil-sports won't have any excuses (what this time? Her hair ribbons were too big and spooked Flicka?)

                Comment

                • #208
                  Originally posted by Dreamwalker View Post
                  I think it would help if those of you voting with your wallet dropped the farm a line to say why.
                  Having been on committees organising shows, I have found we often have to guess why one show is more popular than another.
                  I travel to that particular area on business, so I look for places to ride when I have to be away for an extended period of time. When I contacted the farm to let them know why I wasn't going to consider their farm because of the mule situation, I got told to "take a hike" and that if I tried to ride at their farm, the other boarders would also say the same thing to my face. My message to them was two-fold, first to ask if they would reconsider the mule situation and after their initial reply where they indicated that they would not, I let them know I would not be considering their facility as a place to ride when I'm in the area. Small potatoes probably, but still I got the response to "take a hike".

                  Here is the actual response:
                  "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."

                  Comment

                  • #209
                    Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                    I travel to that particular area on business, so I look for places to ride when I have to be away for an extended period of time. When I contacted the farm to let them know why I wasn't going to consider their farm because of the mule situation, I got told to "take a hike" and that if I tried to ride at their farm, the other boarders would also say the same thing to my face. My message to them was two-fold, first to ask if they would reconsider the mule situation and after their initial reply where they indicated that they would not, I let them know I would not be considering their facility as a place to ride when I'm in the area. Small potatoes probably, but still I got the response to "take a hike".

                    Here is the actual response:
                    "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."
                    WOW.

                    They couldn't be less professional if they TRIED.

                    Yahoos, much???
                    The Noodlehttp://tiny.cc/NGKmT&http://tiny.cc/gioSA
                    Jinxyhttp://tiny.cc/PIC798&http://tiny.cc/jinx364
                    Boy Wonderhttp://tiny.cc/G9290
                    The Hana is nuts! NUTS!!http://tinyurl.com/SOCRAZY

                    Comment

                    • #210
                      Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                      I travel to that particular area on business, so I look for places to ride when I have to be away for an extended period of time. When I contacted the farm to let them know why I wasn't going to consider their farm because of the mule situation, I got told to "take a hike" and that if I tried to ride at their farm, the other boarders would also say the same thing to my face. My message to them was two-fold, first to ask if they would reconsider the mule situation and after their initial reply where they indicated that they would not, I let them know I would not be considering their facility as a place to ride when I'm in the area. Small potatoes probably, but still I got the response to "take a hike".

                      Here is the actual response:
                      "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."
                      Yes, I understand that they are totally unprofessional. But they still know why you, and others, will not attend. If you simply don't attend then they can attribute lack of attendance to any number of random things.

                      Comment

                      • #211
                        Originally posted by SnicklefritzG View Post
                        I travel to that particular area on business, so I look for places to ride when I have to be away for an extended period of time. When I contacted the farm to let them know why I wasn't going to consider their farm because of the mule situation, I got told to "take a hike" and that if I tried to ride at their farm, the other boarders would also say the same thing to my face. My message to them was two-fold, first to ask if they would reconsider the mule situation and after their initial reply where they indicated that they would not, I let them know I would not be considering their facility as a place to ride when I'm in the area. Small potatoes probably, but still I got the response to "take a hike".

                        Here is the actual response:
                        "This conversation is ended. You could care less about anything but your own unimportant opinion, so I shall not even try to explain anything to an uninformed person with their mind already made up. If you do come to this area, as you say you do, please do not come to our facility, as we do not need people like you spreading your brand of poison. Besides, our good customers will tell you to your face to take a hike."
                        While I think their response could have been more brief and professional, I don't understand why you felt the need to get in touch with them in the first place. Had you contacted them asking them for more information about their program because you genuinely had an interest in potentially riding there, and then found a reason in their responses that made you decide NOT to ride there, it might have made sense to let them know why. But you simply got in touch with them as a complete stranger to tell them they suck based on information you discovered on an internet forum, that has nothing to do with you or your riding needs. And they are clearly being bombarded with similar communications from people just like you.

                        For what it's worth, I think they could have handled the mule situation better too, but it's their show series. Maybe everyone could just grow up a little and realize that sometimes life just isn't fair, and not every situation in life is handled in a way that is going to make everyone happy. Perhaps they had to make the decision they made based on the number of complaints they received after the fact. They have a whole series of shows ahead of them, and they need entries. Who knows. The kid still has her ribbons and points, and it can't be that hard to find a horse or pony to finish the show series if she so chooses. Or she can ride her own pony even if it's not ready to go in and win. Schooling shows are for learning anyway, isn't that what we've all decided on this thread?

                        Comment

                        • #212
                          I would like to ask that people do not contact the farm about the mule, it only causes more drama for the rider / trainer / mule owner. Seeing the e-mails sent to people they don't know.. Just think about what they might have said to those directly involved.



                          They have already stated "there isn't a chance in hell" so it isn't worth it really.

                          Comment

                          • #213
                            Originally posted by pony yoga View Post
                            I would like to ask that people do not contact the farm about the mule, it only causes more drama for the rider / trainer / mule owner. Seeing the e-mails sent to people they don't know.. Just think about what they might have said to those directly involved.



                            They have already stated "there isn't a chance in hell" so it isn't worth it really.
                            Sorry, I should have clarified that only those who genuinely intended to attend the series but are now choosing to not attend because of this incident should let the farm know why they are not attending.
                            I agree It is inappropriate for random people who never had any intention of attending to contact them as part of a pile on.

                            Comment

                            • #214
                              Originally posted by ynl063w View Post
                              Schooling shows are for learning anyway, isn't that what we've all decided on this thread?
                              Yes they are for learning. Unfortunately, people participating in this show are learning the wrong thing.

                              They learned that complaining and making a big deal about something being unfair will result in action being taken that will result in their favor.

                              Thanks to the whining of the trainers and parents because someone on a "donkey" placed higher than them, they never again have to worry about that happening at this show. Whew!

                              What they didn't learn is to be gracious competitors no matter what the competition may look like, and that is a shame.
                              Originally posted by ThisTooShallPass
                              It was 30 POUNDS of garlic.

                              Comment

                              • #215
                                Originally posted by heronponie View Post
                                I don't understand the pushback against mules showing alongside horses. It's not like a mule is some random equid showing up to the wrong party... they are half horse, for crying out loud.


                                At my first ever dressage show, I had another competitor approach me, trying to get me to remove my horse from the warmup area because their horse was "afraid of ponies". My horse is a 15hh sporthorse, just politely waiting for our class.

                                Bullying other competitors seems to be a tried & true method for subpar trainers and riders to attempt a leg up on the competition. Doesn't mean we need to cave to them.
                                Does anyone else find this ironic? That the pro-mule crowd organizing internet pitchforks is complaining of bullying?

                                If the mule was disallowed because of sour grapes, I still don't think teaching a child that an internet bully squad is the way to resolve the issue.
                                Visit my Spoonflower shop

                                Comment

                                • #216
                                  Originally posted by INeed2WinTheLottery View Post
                                  Yes they are for learning. Unfortunately, people participating in this show are learning the wrong thing.

                                  They learned that complaining and making a big deal about something being unfair will result in action being taken that will result in their favor.

                                  Thanks to the whining of the trainers and parents because someone on a "donkey" placed higher than them, they never again have to worry about that happening at this show. Whew!

                                  What they didn't learn is to be gracious competitors no matter what the competition may look like, and that is a shame.
                                  Eh. The horse show world is FULL of whiners and poor sports, and it always will be. If you're not going to BE one of them, you have to figure out how to rise above them.

                                  The comment you quoted was not directed towards the whiners and poor sports. It was directed towards those who have what it takes to rise above those people, and find a way to learn despite them.

                                  Comment

                                  • #217
                                    Originally posted by red mares View Post
                                    If the mule was disallowed because of sour grapes, I still don't think teaching a child that an internet bully squad is the way to resolve the issue.
                                    This is funny considering it was a trainer bully squad that got the mule disallowed from future shows. Not to mention the fact the reason they cited has already been shot full of holes!
                                    Originally posted by ThisTooShallPass
                                    It was 30 POUNDS of garlic.

                                    Comment

                                    • #218
                                      Originally posted by ynl063w View Post
                                      Eh. The horse show world is FULL of whiners and poor sports, and it always will be. If you're not going to BE one of them, you have to figure out how to rise above them.
                                      I agree. However, the trainers and parents who complained ruined a very teachable moment in this instance. It's not okay to teach kids that whining and being a poor sport will pay off. They need to learn to rise above the "unfairness" that may arise in any sort of competition. Sadly, that did not happen.
                                      Originally posted by ThisTooShallPass
                                      It was 30 POUNDS of garlic.

                                      Comment

                                      • #219
                                        Originally posted by INeed2WinTheLottery View Post
                                        I agree. However, the trainers and parents who complained ruined a very teachable moment in this instance. It's not okay to teach kids that whining and being a poor sport will pay off. They need to learn to rise above the "unfairness" that may arise in any sort of competition. Sadly, that did not happen.
                                        You don't seem to understand that whiners and poor sports are not in the habit of engaging in teachable moments of the positive kind and rising above anything. The people who are NOT whiners and poor sports are the ones who do that.

                                        Blaming sore losers for being sore losers and expecting them to not be sore losers because that's just not right is really a waste of time. You can't change the behavior of others. You can join them by whining about how unfair life is. Or you can choose to set a good example for others. It's an individual choice.

                                        Comment

                                        • #220
                                          Originally posted by ynl063w View Post
                                          You don't seem to understand that whiners and poor sports are not in the habit of engaging in teachable moments of the positive kind and rising above anything. The people who are NOT whiners and poor sports are the ones who do that.

                                          Blaming sore losers for being sore losers and expecting them to not be sore losers because that's just not right is really a waste of time. You can't change the behavior of others. You can join them by whining about how unfair life is. Or you can choose to set a good example for others. It's an individual choice.
                                          Sore losers are sore losers and aren't likely to change. Farm owners who tell people to "take a hike" don't have good business sense. Making a good choice therefore becomes easier (ie vote with one's wallet and go elsewhere).

                                          Comment

                                          Previous 1 8 9 10 11 12 13 Next
                                          Working...
                                          X