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  • A dog attacked my horses- Update

    Yesterday, after I rode, I led Picasso up to the edge of my ring to pick up some trash. Right acroos the street is a neighbor's house. Their dog, a Bull Mastiff cross, was inside barking at us. The next thing I knew, the dog came through the window screen and charged at Picasso. He started circling and barking and then he went for Picasso's back legs. The dog's owner was there and we finally got him to leave Picasso alone.

    The dog took of towards the back of my property where the other horses are. By the time I got back there, the dog was going after my two WB babies. They had only met one other dog before, who was a real sweetie, so they had no idea what to make of this barking, foaming, thing that was trying to hamstring them. They got totally freaked out and kept trying to get away. The dog's owner and I climbed the fence to try to catch the dog, who completely ignored us.

    Finally, after almost 45 minutes of this, the owner finally caught the dog. My poor horses were traumatized and sweaty, but, luckily, they were unhurt. A number of times, I saw dog jaw around a horse leg, but i did not find any punctures.

    I want to call animal control, but my husband is wary because these people are good friends of ours. The owner did say she was going to put the dog down today and she was extremely upset that the dog did that. Should I wait to see if she does before I call. or say to heck with neighbor/friend relations, these are my horses on my property being attacked?

    *formerly cfc*

    [This message was edited by Catalina on Mar. 26, 2003 at 08:53 AM.]
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    #2
    Yesterday, after I rode, I led Picasso up to the edge of my ring to pick up some trash. Right acroos the street is a neighbor's house. Their dog, a Bull Mastiff cross, was inside barking at us. The next thing I knew, the dog came through the window screen and charged at Picasso. He started circling and barking and then he went for Picasso's back legs. The dog's owner was there and we finally got him to leave Picasso alone.

    The dog took of towards the back of my property where the other horses are. By the time I got back there, the dog was going after my two WB babies. They had only met one other dog before, who was a real sweetie, so they had no idea what to make of this barking, foaming, thing that was trying to hamstring them. They got totally freaked out and kept trying to get away. The dog's owner and I climbed the fence to try to catch the dog, who completely ignored us.

    Finally, after almost 45 minutes of this, the owner finally caught the dog. My poor horses were traumatized and sweaty, but, luckily, they were unhurt. A number of times, I saw dog jaw around a horse leg, but i did not find any punctures.

    I want to call animal control, but my husband is wary because these people are good friends of ours. The owner did say she was going to put the dog down today and she was extremely upset that the dog did that. Should I wait to see if she does before I call. or say to heck with neighbor/friend relations, these are my horses on my property being attacked?

    *formerly cfc*

    [This message was edited by Catalina on Mar. 26, 2003 at 08:53 AM.]

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    • #3
      If she does put him down, I'd say that was enough and leave it go at that. If not, well then you'd better contact the authorities, next time it could be a child!

      You are nicer that I am, friend or not I'd have shot that dog (seriously).

      Tracy

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      • #4
        I would make sure she puts the dog down. That is a HUGE liability, and had your horses been injured she could have a TON of vet bills and damages to pay. If she is a good friend, I don't think she would mind if you asked about the status of the dog. If she still hasn't done anything, tell her that you are going to call animal control because the dog should first be quarantined for rabies. Also, if your horses have not yet had their rabies shots, you may want your vet to come out and administer them ASAP. Better to be safe than sorry!

        If that dog had have come after my horse like that, it would be dead. She did NOT tolerate dogs AT ALL. Friendly or not, she would try to EAT them! And she had good aim too, she would have knocked him in the head the first time he came after her hind legs...

        Ok, I have no more room in my womb but they keep on growing and fighting and tearing up my insides!!!!! And I have three months to go!!!
        Is minic a rinne bromach gioblach capall cumasach
        An awkward colt often becomes a beautiful horse .

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        • #5
          If they are good friends and good neighbors and are terribly upset with what happened, I'm with your husband. Give them the chance to take care of the problem without calling animal control on them. AC is not needed if they take care of it themselves.

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          • #6
            Agree. Allow them the small amount of time needed to make this arrangement.

            I am furious in my first reaction but calmed down and read carefullty, seeing that they offered to put the dogs down directly.

            You must have been terrified. I am sure the owner was terrified at the events too.

            tread with a bit of empathy and sympathy. I hope that the event puts some sense of responsibility into the owner.

            I am glad that nothing untoward happened except a bit of frazzled nerve and perhaps some stiff horses today.

            Do follow through with the advice for having the vet out. At least to document the possible trauma (or lack of). I have less concern of rabies since the dog showed mental purpose in this event. More concern that a minor puncture has sealed over ( with is typical) and you will have a full blown abscess in another 24 hours.

            I am so sorry you went through this.

            hoopoe is not a fan of dogs around horses and the notion that it is a charming part of country living. Have spent many an hours trying to repair the results and consoling the owners of the unfortunate patients.

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            • #7
              OMG - how scary is that!? I hope your horses are going to be ok - sometimes it can take a little while for puncture wounds to become apparent.

              This is one of my biggest concerns currently - my next door neighbor has several Pit Bulls, and they dig under the woven wire fence and come onto the property I'm renting (w/my horses on it). The neighbors have horses too, and the dogs don't seem to bother them, but they are really nasty dogs through the fence at me, and I'm concerned they might go after the horses. There are 5 or 6 of them, so they have a definite pack mentality going on. They've killed a few feral cats together.

              Quite honestly, when I get home and find them on my property I "attempt" to run them over with my car (intending to scare, not hit). If I see them on my property I get a very large walking stick and go after them - so far they have always run away, which is good, because if they threatened me or the horses I'd kill them.

              People should be responsible owners - letting a pack of pit bulls run amok is a terrible plan. If I didn't love animals as much as I do, those dogs would be poisoned by now.

              Yes, find out if they carried out their intentions of having the dog put down. If not, call animal control. If the pit bulls ever attack my horses, and I don't manage to kill them myself, I would have animal control out there before you could count to three.

              Friendship is not worth your safety and your horses' safety. If they haven't put the dog down, take action.

              One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
              - Will Durant


              One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
              - Will Durant

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              • #8
                As a person that was severely bitten by a dog, I would not hesitate to report a dog that had turned viscious to the authorities....it's only a matter of time before they attack a child, their owner, or you.

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                • #9
                  at least the dog owner was as appalled by the incident as you are.

                  I don't know how many times I've been riding, in an area with tons of signs stating "dogs must be on leash", and had loose uncontrollable dogs go after my horse. The owners are never concerned at all "oh, he won't hurt you, he just wants to play" while I scream at them to control their dog before my horse kicks the dog's head in. Which he will, he has no tolerance for dogs nipping at his legs.

                  Can't really blame the dogs, it's always the owner's fault.

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                  • #10
                    I also would have shot the dog. In NC you can shoot any dog on your property causing trouble with your livestock and there is nothing the owner's can legally do for recourse against you. A Bull Mastiff is a big, masive dog. You are very lucky he did no serious damage to your horses. I think I'd need several stiff drinks after the day you had.

                    I am sorry for the dog and for the circumstances which will lead up to his death. This recently happened to an elderly friends dog that attacked and minorly injured a neighbor's goat when he escaped from his enclosure. She ended up putting her dog down rather than have a major legal battle with the neighbors over this. This dog was so sweet with people so it was a real shame it ended up going to that point. Better to be put down humanely and painlessly though than have a leg shot off by an irate owner and suffer needlessly...not to mention the suffering of the goat/horses.

                    "Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you. Give me a pig. He just looks you in the eye and treats you as an equal" Winston Churchill
                    "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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                    • #11
                      Wingedpanda, what are you waiting for?

                      There are two rottweiler carcasses in our bottom acreage- owner ignored Mr. Katarine's warning after they came onto HIS land and attached HIS dog.

                      Shoot, shovel,and shut up. I guess that should apply to me, too- but I'm telling you- by waiting you are taking a gigantic chance. A walking stick is nothing but a toothpick to an out of control dog.

                      "Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
                      Bugs Bunny

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                      • #12
                        Katarine - these dogs aren't really out of control. They do NOT come anywhere near to threatening me on my property - they see me coming at a distance and run for it. I don't think they are naturally mean dogs (they seem to listen to their owners, and while they bark/growl like crazy through the fence, they have never done anything threatening when out of their yard), but they are pit bulls and the breed & their number makes me uncomfortable having them loose.

                        They ignore the horses next door - run in their area, don't really interact with them.

                        As far as the walking stick goes - I've had some formal training using a staff as a martial arts weapon, and I'm much more dangerous with it than I am with a gun (terrible shot!). It is a VERY solid maple staff, and would make quite a dent in aggressive doggie-heads.

                        That being said, I have been pondering getting a rifle and learning to shoot. Also pondering running a strand of hot wire at the bottom of my fence.

                        One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                        - Will Durant


                        One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                        - Will Durant

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                        • Original Poster

                          #13
                          I forgot to mention that we have a 5 1/2 month old baby who will probably be walking by the end of the summer. I don't want to take the chance of this dog going after him.

                          I wanted to kill the dog, but I didn't have anything except a lead rope. I wish one of them had kicked him, but my horses are not agressive enough, they just wanted to get away. My husband was napping with the baby during the whole incident. Everything happened so fast that I never had a chance to get him. Almost 24 hours later, I still shake when I think about that dog trying to shred my horses' tendons.

                          My guys are due for spring shots, so I will definately have the vet check their legs.

                          *formerly cfc*

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                          • #14
                            WP- true story
                            The barn where I boarded had pit bulls. one night the lone female got into a fight with two strays that were stupid enough to come into her yard. The owner, a horse trainer & farrier, went to break up the fight with an aluminum baseball bat. He hit that bitch dog many times with that bat....

                            it didn't faze her. she killed one stray and the other left. That was how the fight ended.

                            I'd make it VERY clear to the dogs owners that they are NOT welcome on your land, period. I don't go shooting everything that sets foot on my land, but I do NOT play mind games with dogs.

                            Just be careful, OK?

                            "Shoot me now! Shoot me now!"
                            Bugs Bunny

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                            • #15
                              I would first off like to say that I am very sorry at to what you went through Catalina, it must have been horrible.
                              But why don't people start going after the owners of these dogs, instead of the dogs themselves. For the most part, it is not the dog's fault, but the fault of poor ownership. If we could have responsible dog owners, there would not be this problem. Once a dog gets to the state where it attacks people or other animals, then sadly it must be destroyed, but why let them get to that state? Let's put the blame where it belongs, on the owners. It is either their fault the dog is dangerous, or it is their fault the dog got loose.

                              Show like you are #1, train like you are #2.
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                              • #16
                                Going after the owners doesn't do much in many cases until something has already happened.

                                If I called animal control today about my neighbors' dogs, they would not be able to do a thing except talk to my neighbors - possibly take custody of the dogs IF they could catch them off the neighbor's property.

                                Additionally, as I'm not 100% certain of the mental stability of my neighbors, and they are just across a fence from my horses, I'd be worried they might DO SOMETHING to my horsesin retribution.

                                I'm a bit more concerned at present with keeping the dogs on their side of the fence - my neighbors block holes the dogs dig, but that is after they have dug a hole, come onto the property, and gone back!

                                (Has anyone had luck using a hotwire low on a fence to keep dogs from digging out?)

                                So how, realistically, does one hold a dog owner responsible for a dangerous/loose animal BEFORE they attack someone, and without starting a feud that could endanger your animals?

                                One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                                - Will Durant
                                One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                                - Will Durant

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                                • #17
                                  I have a 4 strand electric HorseGuard fence and it definitely keeps out large/medium dogs and deer (deer around here aren't much bigger than dogs). My JRT's duck under the lower strand and only get shocked occasionally evidenced by their yelps and when they tear over to me for comfort. One of my kitties got it one day in the tail...wow, can't they ever run when they want to!

                                  I know a JRT breeder who keeps her JRT's on her property by running an electric strand between and under the lower and middle boards on her 3 board fence so I think it would be very effective on the pit bulls. Be sure to get a low impedance fencer and ground it with 3 seperate rods 8 feet apart. The low impedance fencer will shock through weeds that touch the fence and the ground rods will ensure a good strong jolt to repel the dogs.

                                  "Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you. Give me a pig. He just looks you in the eye and treats you as an equal" Winston Churchill
                                  "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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                                  • #18
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by WingedPanda:
                                    (Has anyone had luck using a hotwire low on a fence to keep dogs from digging out?)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    We run a low hot wire to help keep our dogs in the fence. We don't have any diggers, but we do have a climber. Believe me, that hot wire keeps him off the fence.
                                    "Dogs are man's best friend. Cats are man's adorable little serial killer." -- theoatmeal.com

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                                    • #19
                                      Catalilna, I'd be a basket case if that happened to me. I do hope that the dog's owners do follow thru with plans to euthanize the dog for their sake as well as everyone elses.

                                      I'd have needed quite a few drinks to relax me after that.

                                      Winged Panda - you indicated <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>There are 5 or 6 of them, so they have a definite pack mentality going on. They've killed a few feral cats together.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                      I personally would not hesitate to do something about those pit bulls. I don't care if it was a pack of JRT's, they could do serious damage or kill you and your horses. A large walking stick can only get 1 or 2 dogs at a time and there are 5-6 of them. I do understand how you feel about possible retribution from the dogs owners but if things are that scary there, please do consider finding another place for your horses. At the very least, put an strip of electric fence at ground level and set to kill (ok stun at least). I'm a dog lover but with limited access to horses.

                                      msj


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                                      I'm not saying let's go kill all the stupid people...I'm just saying let's remove all the warning labels and let the problem sort itself out.

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                                      • #20
                                        The barn my friend boards at has huskies (3 teams worth), and all of them are diggers. The yard looks like a mine field! They have hot wire low, and don't seem to have a problem with them digging under the fence. These guys would dig out if they could, they're so friendly! I hope this helps, but I would probably electify the whole dang fence if there were a pack of pitt bulls on the other side!

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