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  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by magnum:
    _ELECTRIC FENCES KEEP DOGS OUT:_ Nope. Their fur is too thick to be penetrated by it in most cases. I get dogs in my pastures frequently, and the fences are 3 rows of electric tape.

    _<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I have 4 strands of electric tape and it has been a pretty good deterent for the neighbors standard poodle even with all that puffy hair they have. It could be that your three strands aren't close enough together to be certain to give the dog a good jolt. Also, is your fencer well grounded? That makes a big difference. I do agree though that electric would be unlikely to stop a really determined dog.

    "Dogs look up to you, cats look down on you. Give me a pig. He just looks you in the eye and treats you as an equal" Winston Churchill
    "No hour of life is lost that is spent in the saddle..." Winston Churchill

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    • Wow, this got ugly!!! Some points I would like to make:

      I am not blood-thirsty, but I agree that a dog who has viciously attacked another animal should be euthanized. A dog who can get into that kind of frenzy can attack anything that moves. Including people. They get into kind of a feeding frenzy like sharks do.

      As for Pitt Bulls, please don't forget that their jaws lock on whatever they bite and can't let go. These dogs can be very sweet, but can turn crazy in a nano-second. I have seen and heard pitts that were never taught or treated aggressivly suddenly rip apart other animals and even children. Totally unprovoked. They just snapped.

      Ok, I have no more room in my womb but they keep on growing and fighting and tearing up my insides!!!!! And I have three months to go!!!
      Is minic a rinne bromach gioblach capall cumasach
      An awkward colt often becomes a beautiful horse .

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      • Since when were we talking about Pit Bulls now? A pit bull didnt do anything to Catalina's horse!

        <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> As for Pitt Bulls, please don't forget that their jaws lock on whatever they bite and can't let go. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

        Can we say STEREOTYPE? Please dont offend me by these outrageous and untrue statements.


        And as for dogs who just turn around and snap...your toy poodle is just as likely to turn around and attack as a well loved and trained pit.

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        • Pit Bulls do NOT have "locking jaws". This is a myth that has been propagated by the media and hysterical people who know NOTHING about the breed.

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          • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by K9friend:
            Pit Bulls do NOT have "locking jaws". This is a myth that has been propagated by the media and hysterical people who know NOTHING about the breed.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

            No. They do not. I am amazed at the frequency with which this urban legend surfaces.

            Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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            • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SquishTheBunny:
              Since when were we talking about Pit Bulls now? A pit bull didnt do anything to Catalina's horse!
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              No, but if you go a ways back in the thread, I talked about the pack of pit bulls that keep getting into my yard.

              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SquishTheBunny:
              Can we say STEREOTYPE? Please dont offend me by these outrageous and untrue statements.
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              I'm sure Devildog20 thought what she said was true - wouldn't it have been easier and friendlier just to let her know that her statement (a belief that is widely held, if incorrect) was not true?

              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by SquishTheBunny:
              And as for dogs who just turn around and snap...your toy poodle is just as likely to turn around and attack as a well loved and trained pit.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              This isn't really true or relevant - as there are statistics that show certain breeds to be more dangerous than others (also, I'd personally be much more capable of defending myself against a toy poodle than against a pit bull).

              Take for example, the statistics that surround dog attacks - here's an interesting web site.

              http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html

              Here's a quote from the site:

              <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
              The breeds that the CDC considers highest risk are pit bulls, Rottweilers, German shepherds, huskies, Alaskan malamutes, Doberman pinschers, chows, Great Danes, St. Bernards and Akitas.
              <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

              There is also an interesting section on the same site about owners of animals injured by dogs:
              http://www.dogbitelaw.com/index.html#dogowners

              I agree that it is not really the dog's fault that he went after Catalina's horses - however, it isn't really a mountain lion's fault that he goes after a deer, or my kitties' faults that they chase frogs. It is instinct - bred in, and not always possible to train out.

              However, I cannot see how anyone could be at fault for protecting their horses, dogs, cats, children, etc from attacking dogs. Prevention is best, but not always possible.

              One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
              - Will Durant


              [This message was edited by WingedPanda on Mar. 29, 2003 at 05:12 PM.]
              One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
              - Will Durant

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              • Well, when my aunt's pitt bull attacked another dog, it's jaw DID lock and the dog had to be put down in order for it to let go of the other dog. I WAS THERE. That is where I got the locking jaw thing. But you don't have to be so dang rude!

                There WAS another person who brought up the pitt bulls so there

                To that person, I also forgot in my other post to suggest maybe putting a footing of concrete down by where they are digging so they CAN'T dig under the fence and get out. I personally would not do the hot wire thing esp. if there are children around because if a child gets it's hands around it, they can't let go and get a really bad shock! We had that happen somewhere around here recently and let's just say the owner of the fence got in HUGE trouble. Not only was he sued for negligance, he was fined b/c the hot wire that low was illegal!

                Ok, I have no more room in my womb but they keep on growing and fighting and tearing up my insides!!!!! And I have three months to go!!!
                Is minic a rinne bromach gioblach capall cumasach
                An awkward colt often becomes a beautiful horse .

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                • Inform the owners about Invisible Fencing. It is a really cheap way of keeping a dog from wandering off their property. I am on a farm and have two dogs that used to wander. I have "fenced" off a couple of acres around my house and the dogs wear the shock collars and after about 1 week of training they do not even attempt to leave the area no matter how many squirrels sit and thumb their noses at them. Many farmers around here have baby lambs, calves and foals in the Spring and I would not blame them in the least if they were to shoot my dog on their property.

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                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by devildog20:
                    Well, when my aunt's pitt bull attacked another dog, it's jaw DID lock and the dog had to be put down in order for it to let go :<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    A refusal on the part of a biting dog to release its victim is not the same thing as a mythical anatomical feature, i.e., "locking jaw".

                    Unashamed member of the Arab clique...just settin' on the Group W bench.
                    "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                    ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                    • DevilDog, please ask your veterinarian whether there is an anatomical structure known as a "locking jaw".

                      Also, note that there is one "t" in P-I-T

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                      • Ok people, why are you being so rude to me? My goodness, get over it already. I guess people are not allowed to make mistakes, both in spelling or otherwise without people getting their panties in a bunch!

                        Ok, I have no more room in my womb but they keep on growing and fighting and tearing up my insides!!!!! And I have three months to go!!!
                        Is minic a rinne bromach gioblach capall cumasach
                        An awkward colt often becomes a beautiful horse .

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                        • The reason you were answered so rudely is because it is comments like this that continue to vilify a breed that we love, and know, and live with.

                          There are other breeds right up there with pit bulls in "bite frequency", and these breeds are not the ones trained to guard drug houses, owned by macho youths who think it is cool to have this breed, or trained to fight in the huge dogfighting rings in this country. No, these other breeds just "bite". Fortunately, they usually don't do as much damage as a pit bull can, and unfortunately, the media doesn't usually make a big deal of it.

                          And as far as "snapping" temperamentally? Rage syndrome is well documented in several breeds, English Springer Spaniels and Soft Coated Wheaten Terriers being two that come to mind. Not pit bulls.

                          There are "bad" individuals in any breed. Personally, Chows are my least favorite for a variety of reasons. But to paint the whole breed with the same brush is ludicrous and the reason that much of the "anti-breed" legislation has been allowed to pass.

                          Laurie
                          Laurie

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                          • If you read my original post, I never said that piT Bulls are the ONLY ones who snap. I said "DOGS" in my first paragraph, then went on to talk about PiT Bulls from MY OWN EXPIRIENCE WITH PEOPLE I KNOW WHO HAVE OWNED THEM. I know of several Rotties whom have snapped as well, so EXCUSE ME!

                            But to jump all over my case because of a misconception on my part, which I admit, but I DID NOT KNOW, is not very nice.

                            I can see why a lot of people left this BB. They get tired of the rudeness. Don't vent all the frustrations of the dang media out on me. Geez.


                            BTW, I think I am done here again for awhile. I don't get to come here very often but if I am going to be treated like crap then I have no reason to be here. I like a lot of the people here, but I have better things to do than to get crap from people here. I deal with enough crap in real life, I have little interaction with horse people right now, and the one place I DID have that is now giving me crap. I will just have to go elswhere. Been nice chatting with most of you, but at 7 months pregnant, the last thing I need is more crap. Thanks a lot.
                            Is minic a rinne bromach gioblach capall cumasach
                            An awkward colt often becomes a beautiful horse .

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                            • Whether it be in horses, people, or any other living creature. I have some of the breeds of dog mentioned above. I have 2 rotties, i mastiff, and 2 "quote" pit bulls. The only dog i own that has ever tried to bite or gowled at any one is my 27lb 1/2 beagle 1/2 chihouha(sp?). I have introduced my dogs to the barn, horses, people and never had a problem. My 80lb "pit" Hunter is docile and very easy going. He loves cats and people. I think that this breed has a bad name because of bad ownership, and training. A mastiff at 1 years old is not mature and is trainable. The giant breeds are much, much slower to mature. Think quarter horse to warmblood. I would hate to have any my gentle giants to get loose (and yes, its a fact of life, its gonna happen sometimes, and it happens to horses too). If a dog, big or small was in my pasture with my horses, i would asess if it was a threat first, before pulling shooting. Just because an animal is a particular breed, i don't think its fair to assume.

                              JMHO!! Heather

                              Here's a pic of my ferocious "pit" bull Hunter
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                              • And of course to keep this horse related, Hunter has been around horses, and is actually afraid of them, he's a big chicken. By the way he is 6 years old now and i've had him since 7 weeks.
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                                • You'd better be careful...he could snap anyday now and eat that sweet little kitten.

                                  Sorry, I couldn't resist!
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                                  • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JackieBlue:
                                    You'd better be careful...he could snap anyday now and eat that sweet little kitten.

                                    Sorry, I couldn't resist!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                    Or maybe the kitten could snap and eat him!!!

                                    One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                                    - Will Durant


                                    One of the lessons of history is that Nothing is often a good thing to do and always a clever thing to say.
                                    - Will Durant

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                                    • Guys, back of on DD20.

                                      As we all know when dealing with innocently misinformed people, if you jump in their sh**, rather than correct them through education, a) they're not likely to listen to you, and b) they will add the OWNERS of such animals in as being psycho, too. In some cases this is the actual truth, which is what propagates the stereotyping.

                                      IME, the nastiest dogs are those highly in- and over-bred cocker spaniels. Talk about a dog that will snap for no apparent reason.

                                      I have to admit that I'm not overly concerned if a dog comes in Cressy's paddock; have you ever seen a horse stalk a dog? It is *very* funny...providing the dog gets away in time.

                                      ~&lt;&gt;~ COTHBB Leather Care Guru~&lt;&gt;~
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                                      • <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Ghazzu:
                                        I am amazed at the frequency with which this urban legend surfaces.

                                        <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                                        Kind of like the mass genocides allegedly caused by Quest?

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                                        ~Member of the *Horse Vans Rock* clique~

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                                        • DD20

                                          I am another who thought their "jaws locked." Not technically, but they do have a grip on them. Hence thier blood lines. I have owned several English Bullies (bred to clamp on to a bull and not let go) and as owners we say their jaws "lock". I don't think they have a special hinge, but it is just a term. PS/ I am also a vet tech.

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